South Carolina police officer investigated after slamming student to ground at Spring Valley High

[iolo]

Any cop who enters any classroom should, obviously, be shot at once in self-defense.

 

[Rhea]

In a choice between an annoying girl who is staring at her cell phone and having a cop come in and bodyslam one of my students, the latter is FAR more disruptive than the former.

That this is not immediately obvious to everyone possessing cognitive function is astonishing.

 

[ksen]

Any cop who enters any classroom should, obviously, be shot at once in self-defense.

and then his eyes put out for good measure

 

[Rhea]

Any cop who enters any classroom should, obviously, be shot at once in self-defense.

I don't advocate shooting anyone, so I'd amend that to, "it is reasonable for students to feel personal fear when a cop enters a classroom. And that is incredible, a terrible shame, and the fault of the system of good apples that does not weed out the bad apples, making the good apples essentially self-destructive and not-so-good."

 

[atrib]

Who cares enough to have enforceable rules so classes are not constantly disrupted? Or is teaching in an orderly classroom full of non-disruptive students "hostile" to the welfare of the common people? Hmmmm?

Discipline can be enforced in many ways. Thousands of teachers across the planet enforce discipline in their classrooms every day without resorting to violence against their students. The student in this particular incident did not pose a threat to her classmates or teachers. The use of violent and forceful means to remove her from the classroom is both dangerous and completely out of proportion to the actions of the student. Violence against children is almost never the right answer.

 

[Rhea]

Any cop who enters any classroom should, obviously, be shot at once in self-defense.

And also, stop advocating violence. It's wrong, and it's against the TOU. It doesn't belong here. You're allowed to say pretty much what you think here, it's a very open forum, but not that. And reality check - you should ask yourself why you think violence is the solution to anything.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

 

[Derec]

Discipline can be enforced in many ways. Thousands of teachers across the planet enforce discipline in their classrooms every day without resorting to violence against their students. The student in this particular incident did not pose a threat to her classmates or teachers. The use of violent and forceful means to remove her from the classroom is both dangerous and completely out of proportion to the actions of the student. Violence against children is almost never the right answer.

They called the police officer in. He informed her that he would arrest her if she didn't get out. When he tried to arrest her she resisted which prompted him to use force to extract her from the desk/chair combo. She is in the wrong, not the cop.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Todd Rutherford, attorney for the girls and state house minrotiy leader in SC, TV interview

COLUMBIA, SC (WLTX)- On Wednesday, attorney Todd Rutherford told News 19 he will represent both girls who were arrested in the Spring Valley incident.This comes after videos began circulating on social media showing a 16-year-old flipped over in her desk, tossed across the room, and arrested by school resource officer Ben Fields. Fields has now been fired.

Assaulted S.C. Student Is A Recent Orphan Living In Foster Care, Attorney Says

Attorney Todd Rutherford said Wednesday that the girl went to the hospital Monday night and has a cast on her arm and has complained of neck, back and psychological injuries.

In an interview with the New York Daily News, Rutherford also said that the student is a recent orphan who lost her mother and is currently living in a foster home. "While her identity, no doubt, will eventually be leaked to the media, it's the goal of her foster mother to protect and care for her as well as she can considering the circumstances," the Daily News' Shaun King wrote.

 

[Derec]

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Well if it's on the internet it must be true, right?

 

[Rhea]

Todd Rutherford, attorney for the girls and state house minrotiy leader in SC, TV interview




Assaulted S.C. Student Is A Recent Orphan Living In Foster Care, Attorney Says

Attorney Todd Rutherford said Wednesday that the girl went to the hospital Monday night and has a cast on her arm and has complained of neck, back and psychological injuries.

In an interview with the New York Daily News, Rutherford also said that the student is a recent orphan who lost her mother and is currently living in a foster home. "While her identity, no doubt, will eventually be leaked to the media, it's the goal of her foster mother to protect and care for her as well as she can considering the circumstances," the Daily News' Shaun King wrote.

Thanks. I didn't feel I could accept the info from tweets and that it needed a statement from someone involved.

And yeah, this points directly to why you don't assume excuses (she's just being a brat, so it's okay) that justify your violence. Treat the kids with empathy and an understanding that you don't know what's going on in their lives and it just might be something you'd understand if you knew.*



* This is really true of most people you encounter.

 

[laughing dog]

Discipline can be enforced in many ways. Thousands of teachers across the planet enforce discipline in their classrooms every day without resorting to violence against their students. The student in this particular incident did not pose a threat to her classmates or teachers. The use of violent and forceful means to remove her from the classroom is both dangerous and completely out of proportion to the actions of the student. Violence against children is almost never the right answer.

They called the police officer in. He informed her that he would arrest her if she didn't get out. When he tried to arrest her she resisted which prompted him to use force to extract her from the desk/chair combo. She is in the wrong, not the cop.

Being "in the wrong" does not justify the assault by the police officer. Even his employers understand that - he was fired.

 

[scombrid]

Discipline.

Kid had phone.

Tell kid to put phone away.

Kid doesn't put phone away.

Hand kid detention slip and keep on with lesson.

Yup, it really is exactly that easy.
You _tell_ them of the consequences right away, but you don't have to implement them instantly. They know it's coming.

I went to parochial school with uniforms and nuns and whatnot. Discipline was tight. That school dropped corporal punishment in the 1950s.

I certainly never saw anyone lay a hand on a student because the student was talking out of turn, passing note, being mouthy, etc... and we had some real dumbfucks that had been expelled from public schools.

I was expelled from one school and served detention every day for months including saturday mornings in another. Being publicly manhandled would only have made things worse and would have made me a martyr in the eyes of others instead of an annoyance.

The teachers that did the best job handling the disruptive kids such as those that had been expelled from public school and that were trying to prove their toughness/coolness by acting out were the teachers that were calm and solid. Teachers that got into pissing matches with students tended to lose the whole class. Heck, normally well-behaved kids would crack up just to see if they could make certain teachers throw something.

There was this "cool kid" that I had met at summer camp. He was fun to hang with. He brought weed and cigarettes to camp at age 13. He showed up at my high school in grade 8 having been booted from his public middle school. He used to get our American History teacher so wound up. History teacher was a retired Air Force colonel with a raging temper. The cool kids fed off that. They didn't need a beat down. They needed strict enforced boundaries. My cool kid friend did get straightened out. He did 2 years in parochial and finished up in public high school. I ran into him years later as a senior in college and he was on his way to a business degree.

Sure there were softy teachers that got no respect. But there were firm calm teachers that you just didn't test. And there were spaz teachers that kids would poke just for the reaction.

There are kids that push your buttons and you just want to manhandle the little jerk, but such reaction is counter-productive.

 

[Rhea]

Well if it's on the internet it must be true, right?

I'm curious whether, if you find out you were wrong in your assumptions and this girl _was_ recently orphaned, attending a new school, living with strangers and having her entire world destroyed and then injured by a cop,

whether you have any regrets for posting this way.
Whether you have any sense of, "oh, shit, it turns out I was really being a douchebag about a girl that has some real pain going on in her life,"

or not.

 

[Derec]

They called the police officer in. He informed her that he would arrest her if she didn't get out. When he tried to arrest her she resisted which prompted him to use force to extract her from the desk/chair combo. She is in the wrong, not the cop.

Being "in the wrong" does not justify the assault by the police officer. Even his employers understand that - he was fired.

Using force to arrest a resisting perp is not an assault. Note that even though he was fired (wrongfully I think) he still wasn't charged with assault or any other crime.

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I'm curious whether, if you find out you were wrong in your assumptions and this girl _was_ recently orphaned, attending a new school, living with strangers and having her entire world destroyed and then injured by a cop,

Doesn't change the fact that a screenshot of a Facebook post is not sufficient evidence to conclude she had lost her mother. I was not saying I know she wasn't, just that the screenshot does not establish she was.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Did the teacher not know this girl had lost her mom and was in foster care?

If so, why didn't the teacher know?

 

[Rhea]

I'm curious whether, if you find out you were wrong in your assumptions and this girl _was_ recently orphaned, attending a new school, living with strangers and having her entire world destroyed and then injured by a cop,

Doesn't change the fact that a screenshot of a Facebook post is not sufficient evidence to conclude she had lost her mother. I was not saying I know she wasn't, just that the screenshot does not establish she was.

That's your answer?
It wasn't about whether you believed the screen shot. I didn't either, as you can read.
It was about how you are describing and discussing this girl in all of your posts.

 

[laughing dog]

Being "in the wrong" does not justify the assault by the police officer. Even his employers understand that - he was fired.

Using force to arrest a resisting perp is not an assault. Note that even though he was fired (wrongfully I think) he still wasn't charged with assault or any other crime.

It is assault. That fact he has yet to be charged does not change that fact.

And, frankly, it doesn't matter why this teenager was non-compliant. The police officer assaulted her even though she posed no physical threat to anyone.

 

[Rhea]

Did the teacher not know this girl had lost her mom and was in foster care?

If so, why didn't the teacher know?

Yeah, epic fail from the school system.
And yet, even if he didn't due to privacy issues or even the desire of the girl herself to not let people know (entirely possible), the assumption that people are people just like you would have gone a long long Looooong way.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Being "in the wrong" does not justify the assault by the police officer. Even his employers understand that - he was fired.

Using force to arrest a resisting perp is not an assault. Note that even though he was fired (wrongfully I think) he still wasn't charged with assault or any other crime.

Alright, so we've entered the point in American history where texting in class, not putting the phone away can lead to arrest? An actual arrest? And you don't find that in any way asymmetrical?

I wouldn't doubt the teen thought the guy was bluffing about arresting her. Who would possibly think that would be true?

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Did the teacher not know this girl had lost her mom and was in foster care?

If so, why didn't the teacher know?

You know, typically teachers are hated by the right-wing. But when it comes to the use of force and putting teens in their place, they become very well aligned with the teachers.

The reality is the teacher could be a jerk. We've all had jerk teachers. Or maybe the teacher was having a bad day. Who the heck knows. What we all should know is what went down should be unacceptable in a school.