South Carolina police officer investigated after slamming student to ground at Spring Valley High

[ksen]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-student-to-ground-at-Spring-Valley-High.html

A South Carolina police officer has been put on administrative leave after video surfaced on social media in which he appears to throw a female student to the floor before dragging her across a classroom.

At least the officer got home to his family safe that night.

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Also, if people weren't posting videos of police activity on youtube this officer never would have done this.

 

[Deepak]

From what I've read elsewhere this isn't the first time he's done it, though this is the first incident with video evidence.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

She could have gotten out of the desk and used it as a weapon to beat him to death with. I admire his restraint in not shooting her.

 

[Derec]

She was disruptive and was asked by her teacher to leave. She refused. She again refused to get out when asked by an administrator so the cop was called in. She refused his commands again where he warned her he'd get her out. She refused again so he did it. She only has herself to blame.

 

[barbos]

Well, she should blame herself but police officer do look like he loves to throw people around.

 

[Derec]

Well, she should blame herself but police officer do look like he loves to throw people around.

Whether he enjoyed it or not, he didn't have too many options. Either he gets her out by force or he uses a taser, which would hardly have caused less outrage from the usual quarters.

 

[barbos]

Well, she should blame herself but police officer do look like he loves to throw people around.

Whether he enjoyed it or not, he didn't have too many options. Either he gets her out by force or he uses a taser, which would hardly have caused less outrage from the usual quarters.

He literally threw her over the room, and she did not even make a clock

 

[ksen]

Well, she should blame herself but police officer do look like he loves to throw people around.

Whether he enjoyed it or not, he didn't have too many options. Either he gets her out by force or he uses a taser, which would hardly have caused less outrage from the usual quarters.

Included in those options were ones that were less violent.

 

[Playball40]

I'm sorry but I am so torn on this one. Perhaps because I don't know what is meant by "disruptive". But I cannot help but to feel for the teacher and the other students in the class that perhaps want to actually learn something. With all the testing and pressure put on educators and students right now, there really isn't a lot of time for the kid that just won't allow the teacher to teach or the students to learn. If that girl refused to leave the classroom when asked repeatedly (and I'm assuming the request for removal was justified only to pose the question), just how was the officer supposed to remove her if not by force? Did he slam her to the ground or did the desk flip over backward?

I would be mortified if that were my child - without a doubt. However, I have actually shadowed in the classroom (middle school) and the behavior of some of these kids is....well....amazing (and not in a positive way). Perhaps it's a generational thing but the WORST kids in my school did not act in the way that some of what I witnessed. And I did not go to the "rich" white school either. However, when the teacher told kids to leave, they...well....left.

 

[laughing dog]

She was disruptive and was asked by her teacher to leave. She refused. She again refused to get out when asked by an administrator so the cop was called in. She refused his commands again where he warned her he'd get her out. She refused again so he did it. She only has herself to blame.

If any civilian had done that, it would be assault. I see no reason why the officer should not be charged with the same crime. This student was not endangering anyone. It is beyond belief that any member of the human race would defend such needless violence.

 

[Derec]

If any civilian had done that, it would be assault. I see no reason why the officer should not be charged with the same crime. This student was not endangering anyone. It is beyond belief that any member of the human race would defend such needless violence.

I do not see an assault here, sorry.
Let's say you went to a cafe and for whatever reason the waitress told you you had to leave. You refused to get up and leave. Then the manager comes and tells you the same thing. You still won't budge. Then they call police and the officer tells you to leave of you'd be arrested. You still refuse so you get removed forcibly and arrested. That isn't assault either. The reason this looks bad on the surface is the small stature of the girl (but small stature doesn't imply she was in the right and the cop in the wrong) and the silly chair-desk combo so common in schools that made it harder for the cop to remove her.

 

[ksen]

If that girl refused to leave the classroom when asked repeatedly (and I'm assuming the request for removal was justified only to pose the question), just how was the officer supposed to remove her if not by force? Did he slam her to the ground or did the desk flip over backward?

He slammed her over. It's quite clear in the video.

The first angle is at 0:05 into the video derec posted.

The second, and better angle imo, is at 0:17.

 

[Derec]

Included in those options were ones that were less violent.

What would you have done? Try to starve her out? Play classical music loudly to force her to give up? Call in Kevin Spacey to negotiate?

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He slammed her over. It's quite clear in the video.

I blame the chair-desk design actually.

 

[ksen]

Included in those options were ones that were less violent.

What would you have done? Try to starve her out? Play classical music loudly to force her to give up? Call in Kevin Spacey to negotiate?

Me? Probably grab the front of the desk and start dragging it out with her in it. She would either have stubbornly stayed seated at the desk in which case she'd be out of the classroom when I got the desk out. Or she would have gotten up when I started moving the desk and then I could have escorted her out. The dragging desk option probably would have gotten the other kids lauging at the ridiculousness of it which may have caused her embarassment and again result in her getting out of the desk being led out of the classroom. If she wants to stay in the desk in the hallway that's cool. A call to her mother to come get her would have probably solved that problem.

But then I'm neither high on authority nor enjoy the struggling of little girls in my arms.

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He slammed her over. It's quite clear in the video.

I blame the chair-desk design actually.

I'm not surprised you do. However it's not the desk design's fault that the officer places a hand under her legs and flips.

 

[TSwizzle]

Why didn't she leave when she was asked ? You play a dangerous game when you dick around with the cops.

 

[ksen]

She's a stupid kid. Being a stupid kid shouldn't be a dangerous game around the cops.

Cops ought not be killing machines on a hair trigger that we have to walk on eggshells around for fear of setting them off. That's no way for a civilized society to work.

 

[prideandfall]

You play a dangerous game when you dick around with the cops.

how it is that you and the other Usual Suspects around here don't see that as a problem is beyond me.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well hopefully she has learned a valuable life lesson and not be so stupid the next time. But in the first instance, wasn't it the teacher that asked her to leave ?

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You play a dangerous game when you dick around with the cops.

how it is that you and the other Usual Suspects around here don't see that as a problem is beyond me.

It can be a problem, that's why I don't dick around with the cops.

 

[Derec]

She's a stupid kid. Being a stupid kid shouldn't be a dangerous game around the cops.

Is she a kid? Her classmate who was also arrested was identified as 18. So our unnamed rag doll would be either 17 or 18 herself - hardly a "little girl" who doesn't know better.

Cops ought not be killing machines on a hair trigger that we have to walk on eggshells around for fear of setting them off.

Well she wasn't shot. Not even tasered.

That's no way for a civilized society to work.

Neither is school kids behaving the way this girl was.

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Well hopefully she has learned a valuable life lesson and not be so stupid the next time. But in the first instance, wasn't it the teacher that asked her to leave ?

Teacher, school administrator, then cop. Cops are rarely first or even second point of contact for incidents like this.

 

[TSwizzle]

Well hopefully she has learned a valuable life lesson and not be so stupid the next time. But in the first instance, wasn't it the teacher that asked her to leave ?

Teacher, school administrator, then cop. Cops are rarely first or even second point of contact for incidents like this.

Dumb "kid". What sort of school is this where cops have to be called I wonder.