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Forceful SRO detainment of 14 year old boy in Texas not getting attention

 
 
 
Wow, yeah that sounds nuts - he was away from the altercation the kid was walking away. Cop needed some power struggle, "you gotta apologize or I'm still in Alpha Mode!"

Andthen the kid apologizes - good on him. And takes responsibility for getting emotional. Now it's the cop's job to say the same.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Someone in the forum was kind enough to inform me of this 14 year old getting attacked by a policeman. He said we never pay attention to males getting attacked by policemen in the forum. So I've made a thread for discussion of the incident. Here is a link:

http://kxan.com/2015/10/09/round-rock-high-police-incident-caught-on-camera/
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If you look at that video frame by frame, you can see the cop is pushing the kid in the upper abdomen while another cop is holding the kid in place with a hand on his shoulder. The kid puts his hand on the cop's wrist and pushes the cop's hand off him, at which point the cop grabs the kid by the throat and takes him down.

I have no doubt the Right Wing Noise Machine will claim he was assaulting a police officer, and the neo-cons and authoritarians among us will soon be arguing the kid was an attention whore trying to commit suicide by cop. No mention will be made of the danger of serious harm when a person is grabbed by the throat and forced to the floor, or whether a minor brush-off really does call for a violent response.
 
Arctish said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Someone in the forum was kind enough to inform me of this 14 year old getting attacked by a policeman. He said we never pay attention to males getting attacked by policemen in the forum. So I've made a thread for discussion of the incident. Here is a link:

http://kxan.com/2015/10/09/round-rock-high-police-incident-caught-on-camera/
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If you look at that video frame by frame, you can see the cop is pushing the kid in the upper abdomen while another cop is holding the kid in place with a hand on his shoulder. The kid puts his hand on the cop's wrist and pushes the cop's hand off him, at which point the cop grabs the kid by the throat and takes him down.

I have no doubt the Right Wing Noise Machine will claim he was assaulting a police officer, and the neo-cons and authoritarians among us will soon be arguing the kid was an attention whore trying to commit suicide by cop. No mention will be made of the danger of serious harm when a person is grabbed by the throat and forced to the floor, or whether a minor brush-off really does call for a violent response.
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But but but: he's black. And taller than the police officer who chokes him.
 
Toni said:
Arctish said:
If you look at that video frame by frame, you can see the cop is pushing the kid in the upper abdomen while another cop is holding the kid in place with a hand on his shoulder. The kid puts his hand on the cop's wrist and pushes the cop's hand off him, at which point the cop grabs the kid by the throat and takes him down.

I have no doubt the Right Wing Noise Machine will claim he was assaulting a police officer, and the neo-cons and authoritarians among us will soon be arguing the kid was an attention whore trying to commit suicide by cop. No mention will be made of the danger of serious harm when a person is grabbed by the throat and forced to the floor, or whether a minor brush-off really does call for a violent response.
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But but but: he's black. And taller than the police officer who chokes him.
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But he is not muslim and have not invented a clock, therefore nothing to see here, move along.
 
barbos said:
But he is not muslim and have not invented a clock, therefore nothing to see here, move along.
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Thank you for your opinion and you are free not to participate in the thread, but other people find the rights issue to be of interest.
 
It seems to me that cops shouldn't have been in physical contact with the kid to begin with. The kid wasn't running or fighting anymore, so why did the cops have their hands on him?
 
Police say:

After repeated attempts to calm the non-compliant student
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I didn't see any "calming" going on in that video. The policeman was behaving in a very provocative manner. He needs to be retrained. You don't calm by bellying up to somebody and repeatedly poking and shoving them while shouting in their face.

The other officer was standing at an appropriate distance since the kid was cornered. The "calming" officer was taking a bully posture. The calming officer would also have been putting himself in danger by being that close to the kid if the kid was actually a threat.
 
Arctish said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Someone in the forum was kind enough to inform me of this 14 year old getting attacked by a policeman. He said we never pay attention to males getting attacked by policemen in the forum. So I've made a thread for discussion of the incident. Here is a link:

http://kxan.com/2015/10/09/round-rock-high-police-incident-caught-on-camera/
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If you look at that video frame by frame, you can see the cop is pushing the kid in the upper abdomen while another cop is holding the kid in place with a hand on his shoulder. The kid puts his hand on the cop's wrist and pushes the cop's hand off him, at which point the cop grabs the kid by the throat and takes him down.

I have no doubt the Right Wing Noise Machine will claim he was assaulting a police officer, and the neo-cons and authoritarians among us will soon be arguing the kid was an attention whore trying to commit suicide by cop. No mention will be made of the danger of serious harm when a person is grabbed by the throat and forced to the floor, or whether a minor brush-off really does call for a violent response.
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The cop with the cap had his hand on the railing, I think. Not that it excuses the needlessly antagonistic actions of the corpulent one.
 
Didn't we have a thread on this incident? Is there any argument from anyone that the one SRO was way out-of-line?
 
Arctish said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Someone in the forum was kind enough to inform me of this 14 year old getting attacked by a policeman. He said we never pay attention to males getting attacked by policemen in the forum. So I've made a thread for discussion of the incident. Here is a link:

http://kxan.com/2015/10/09/round-rock-high-police-incident-caught-on-camera/
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If you look at that video frame by frame, you can see the cop is pushing the kid in the upper abdomen while another cop is holding the kid in place with a hand on his shoulder. The kid puts his hand on the cop's wrist and pushes the cop's hand off him, at which point the cop grabs the kid by the throat and takes him down.

I have no doubt the Right Wing Noise Machine will claim he was assaulting a police officer, and the neo-cons and authoritarians among us will soon be arguing the kid was an attention whore trying to commit suicide by cop. No mention will be made of the danger of serious harm when a person is grabbed by the throat and forced to the floor, or whether a minor brush-off really does call for a violent response.
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The kid certainly was guilty of assaulting the officer.

That doesn't justify the hand to the throat, though--that's simply not acceptable, period.

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scombrid said:
Police say:

After repeated attempts to calm the non-compliant student
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I didn't see any "calming" going on in that video. The policeman was behaving in a very provocative manner. He needs to be retrained. You don't calm by bellying up to somebody and repeatedly poking and shoving them while shouting in their face.

The other officer was standing at an appropriate distance since the kid was cornered. The "calming" officer was taking a bully posture. The calming officer would also have been putting himself in danger by being that close to the kid if the kid was actually a threat.
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Such videos almost never show the peaceful part before it turns violent. That doesn't mean the violence is out of the blue.
 
Once again a very creative use of the word "assault" :rolleyes:

The kid did NOT "assault" the police officer. The kid pushed the officer's hands away. The cop had no business whatsoever to be putting his hands on the kid.
 
RavenSky said:
Once again a very creative use of the word "assault" :rolleyes:

The kid did NOT "assault" the police officer. The kid pushed the officer's hands away. The cop had no business whatsoever to be putting his hands on the kid.
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Look up the legal definition. I'm right.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
RavenSky said:
Once again a very creative use of the word "assault" :rolleyes:

The kid did NOT "assault" the police officer. The kid pushed the officer's hands away. The cop had no business whatsoever to be putting his hands on the kid.
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Look up the legal definition. I'm right.
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Being a cop doesn't mean you have special dispensation to corner someone and prod and push them. There was no reason for the cop to put his hands on the student in the first place - and if anything that is what I'd characterize as assault.

If some random person off the street did what the cop was doing, no one would argue that the kid was the one committing an assault.
 
Deepak said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Look up the legal definition. I'm right.
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Being a cop doesn't mean you have special dispensation to corner someone and prod and push them. There was no reason for the cop to put his hands on the student in the first place - and if anything that is what I'd characterize as assault.

If some random person off the street did what the cop was doing, no one would argue that the kid was the one committing an assault.
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The thing is the cop has the legal right to use force to detain or arrest someone--and since they have the legal right to do it you don't have the right to use force to defend yourself against it.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Deepak said:
Being a cop doesn't mean you have special dispensation to corner someone and prod and push them. There was no reason for the cop to put his hands on the student in the first place - and if anything that is what I'd characterize as assault.

If some random person off the street did what the cop was doing, no one would argue that the kid was the one committing an assault.
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The thing is the cop has the legal right to use force to detain or arrest someone--and since they have the legal right to do it you don't have the right to use force to defend yourself against it.
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Don't police have to actually SAY you are under arrest before they can physically detain you?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Deepak said:
Being a cop doesn't mean you have special dispensation to corner someone and prod and push them. There was no reason for the cop to put his hands on the student in the first place - and if anything that is what I'd characterize as assault.

If some random person off the street did what the cop was doing, no one would argue that the kid was the one committing an assault.
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The thing is the cop has the legal right to use force to detain or arrest someone--and since they have the legal right to do it you don't have the right to use force to defend yourself against it.
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The article seems to indicate that the detention happened after the student was taken down. Up until that point if there was no directive that the bloated cop was detaining him, and his partner's actions don't seem to indicate that they were moving to detain or arrest the student, then it's a consensual encounter between two people. And the same rules apply as if it were you and I - with you pushing my gut while advising me on decorum and me blocking your hand.

Providing police with the powers to detain people does not mean that they can arbitrarily accost anyone unless and until the conditions allow for those same powers to be exercised.
 
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