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The NRA's latest newsletter gives gun owners advice on proper manners.

Good Citizens and Good Neighbors: The Gun Owners' Role

As gun owners, whether or not our decisions are dictated by the law, we are still accountable for them. And we owe it to each other to act as checks on bad behavior before the legal system steps in and does it for us.
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This is kind of strange, because the idea of a gun owner being held responsible for the consequences of their actions runs contrary to the latest "stand your ground" laws, which allow for understandable mistakes, or even excuse a person for putting themselves in the danger which required killing another person to escape it.

The NRA is too smooth an operator to call it's dues paying member "douchebags" for carrying an AR-15 into Dunkin Donuts. They are much subtler than that.

More to the point, it's just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.
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Maybe next, they'll send a polite note to Joe the Plumber.
 
Bronzeage said:
The NRA's latest newsletter gives gun owners advice on proper manners.

Good Citizens and Good Neighbors: The Gun Owners' Role



This is kind of strange, because the idea of a gun owner being held responsible for the consequences of their actions runs contrary to the latest "stand your ground" laws, which allow for understandable mistakes, or even excuse a person for putting themselves in the danger which required killing another person to escape it.
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This might be my first time defending the NRA, but I don't think it is strange to draw a distinction between whether an act is sensible and ethical and whether it is legal. That is a good and important distinction to keep clear. It is ironic that a huge % of NRA members (i.e., social conservatives and fundies) make no such distinction and want to make everything illegal that they find personally in bad taste (despite their false pretenses toward pseudo-libertarianism). But I have no problem with the NRA not treating the legality of walking around the streets with a machine gun the same as whether they think it is a wise and socially responsible thing to do.
 
Just have large segments of African Americans exercise their legal rights in public and see how far this goes.
 
OMG, the NRA has joined with the gun-grabbers! How did they get sucked into the conspiracy? This is terrible news! Who will defend our freedoms now? Surely the jack-booted thugs will start confiscating guns any minute now! To arms, brothers! The tree of liberty needs waterin'! [/conservolibertarian]
 
The NRA is all about promoting more gun ownership (sales). They are at least smart enough to realize the Open Carry demonstrations are very bad for the pro-gun PR. They need to quiet those people, and maybe realize that subtlety doesn't work very well with some of them.
 
doubtingt said:
Bronzeage said:
The NRA's latest newsletter gives gun owners advice on proper manners.

Good Citizens and Good Neighbors: The Gun Owners' Role



This is kind of strange, because the idea of a gun owner being held responsible for the consequences of their actions runs contrary to the latest "stand your ground" laws, which allow for understandable mistakes, or even excuse a person for putting themselves in the danger which required killing another person to escape it.
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This might be my first time defending the NRA, but I don't think it is strange to draw a distinction between whether an act is sensible and ethical and whether it is legal. That is a good and important distinction to keep clear. It is ironic that a huge % of NRA members (i.e., social conservatives and fundies) make no such distinction and want to make everything illegal that they find personally in bad taste (despite their false pretenses toward pseudo-libertarianism). But I have no problem with the NRA not treating the legality of walking around the streets with a machine gun the same as whether they think it is a wise and socially responsible thing to do.
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Yeah, I don't see a problem with the distinction, either.

Consider that New Jersey law the article is talking about--nothing in there about how reliable the system is. So long as it's offered for sale the law applies.
 
Underseer said:
OMG, the NRA has joined with the gun-grabbers! How did they get sucked into the conspiracy? This is terrible news! Who will defend our freedoms now? Surely the jack-booted thugs will start confiscating guns any minute now! To arms, brothers! The tree of liberty needs waterin'! [/conservolibertarian]
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So far, so quiet. Dudley Brown and his “National Association for Gun Rights” (NAGR) haven't posted a screed in a while. This might be the time to renew their continued attack on the NRAs Obama-loving policies.
 
marc said:
The NRA is all about promoting more gun ownership (sales). They are at least smart enough to realize the Open Carry demonstrations are very bad for the pro-gun PR. They need to quiet those people, and maybe realize that subtlety doesn't work very well with some of them.
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Exactly. The NRA is saying to it's members, "You're paying us to do a job and then you go around making it harder than it needs to be."

I have to confess to a wicked fantasy. Everytime I see a photo of a bunch of guys standing around with assault rifles, I imagine setting off a string of firecrackers behind them. This would probably get a few people killed or wounded and would be a very irresponsible thing to do.
 
I confess to looking at this picture and thinking, "wonder if she has the safety on, and how fast she'll drop those babies if someone comes up and touches the trigger on that gun that is out of her reach to control?" (or if someone were to tuch it, if she'd assume it was one of the babies kicking it and she did nothing. Or, if one of the babies kick it and she assumes someone is grabbing it and she drops the babies to deal with the fears... so many ways it could go wrong for her - and the babies.)

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Are you certain that those legs are not of one baby with two different shoes?
 
Nice Squirrel said:
Are you certain that those legs are not of one baby with two different shoes?
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the caption in the article says she is holding her 10-month old twins. So that seems to support the too-wide-for-one-baby's arms theory. Also the way the legs are angled, the kid would need a diaper the width of mama's stomach, which would be.... er, larger than is available in stores.
 
I let my membership lapse years ago as their (NRA) rhetoric moved too far in the direction of tinfoil hatters and doomsday "preppers".

The NRA used to be about gun safety and had extensive training programs for youth to educate them on the sport of shooting.

While they still offer those services, their public focus seems to have been shifted to burning anti-2nd Amendment strawmen.

I'd like to think this is a sign of things to come, but it's more likely just a PR band-aid.
 
Underseer said:
OMG, the NRA has joined with the gun-grabbers! How did they get sucked into the conspiracy? This is terrible news! Who will defend our freedoms now? Surely the jack-booted thugs will start confiscating guns any minute now! To arms, brothers! The tree of liberty needs waterin'! [/conservolibertarian]
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aaaaaand once again I run into the Spinal Tap problem when trying to lampoon conservolibertarians. It turns out they reacted pretty much the way I anticipated and have been burning their NRA cards:

http://www.alan.com/2014/06/02/open-carry-texas-gun-fetishists-burn-their-nra-cards/
 
Earl IV said:
I let my membership lapse years ago as their (NRA) rhetoric moved too far in the direction of tinfoil hatters and doomsday "preppers".

The NRA used to be about gun safety and had extensive training programs for youth to educate them on the sport of shooting.

While they still offer those services, their public focus seems to have been shifted to burning anti-2nd Amendment strawmen.

I'd like to think this is a sign of things to come, but it's more likely just a PR band-aid.
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It's important to remember that the NRA is nothing but an alliance of for-profit gun making and selling corporations with no real interest in anything but more and more profit. Their rhetoric is crafted to increase gun and ammunition sales. The easier it is for anyone to get a gun, the more guns sold. The more that guns get into the hands of criminals due to lack gun control (yes, there is a causal link), the more guns that frightened "law-abiding" gun owners need to by. The more frightened they are of government, the more guns they need to buy. There are not and never have been any libertarian principles behind the NRA, just capitalist principles.


They are one of billions of examples of how profit motive of powerful corporations is a serious threat to the public's safety and well being.
 
doubtingt said:
Earl IV said:
I let my membership lapse years ago as their (NRA) rhetoric moved too far in the direction of tinfoil hatters and doomsday "preppers".

The NRA used to be about gun safety and had extensive training programs for youth to educate them on the sport of shooting.

While they still offer those services, their public focus seems to have been shifted to burning anti-2nd Amendment strawmen.

I'd like to think this is a sign of things to come, but it's more likely just a PR band-aid.
Click to expand...

It's important to remember that the NRA is nothing but an alliance of for-profit gun making and selling corporations with no real interest in anything but more and more profit. Their rhetoric is crafted to increase gun and ammunition sales. The easier it is for anyone to get a gun, the more guns sold. The more that guns get into the hands of criminals due to lack gun control (yes, there is a causal link), the more guns that frightened "law-abiding" gun owners need to by. The more frightened they are of government, the more guns they need to buy. There are not and never have been any libertarian principles behind the NRA, just capitalist principles.


They are one of billions of examples of how profit motive of powerful corporations is a serious threat to the public's safety and well being.
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I'd like to remind everybody that this accurate assessment is a threat as clear as Obama's attempt to grab all your guns. Think about that when the Latin Kings seize your house for a meth lab.
 
doubtingt said:
Earl IV said:
I let my membership lapse years ago as their (NRA) rhetoric moved too far in the direction of tinfoil hatters and doomsday "preppers".

The NRA used to be about gun safety and had extensive training programs for youth to educate them on the sport of shooting.

While they still offer those services, their public focus seems to have been shifted to burning anti-2nd Amendment strawmen.

I'd like to think this is a sign of things to come, but it's more likely just a PR band-aid.
Click to expand...

It's important to remember that the NRA is nothing but an alliance of for-profit gun making and selling corporations with no real interest in anything but more and more profit. Their rhetoric is crafted to increase gun and ammunition sales. The easier it is for anyone to get a gun, the more guns sold. The more that guns get into the hands of criminals due to lack gun control (yes, there is a causal link), the more guns that frightened "law-abiding" gun owners need to by. The more frightened they are of government, the more guns they need to buy. There are not and never have been any libertarian principles behind the NRA, just capitalist principles.


They are one of billions of examples of how profit motive of powerful corporations is a serious threat to the public's safety and well being.
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What does libertarianism have to do with gun ownership.

The purpose of libertarianism is to establish a new overclass to rule over us. The aristocracy they would have us worship probably prefer that fewer of the peasants be armed.
 
You are assuming there's someone in charge, and their goals make sense.

I think 'a bunch of different idiots working at cross purposes' is a good description of libertarianism.
 
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