Rice family lawyers request DOJ investigation into conduct of prosecutor's office

[Jimmy Higgins]

And to be clear, you've been talking out of both sides of your mouth about Officer accountability in all of this.

It's called nuance. Quite different than what say RavenSky is doing ("Tamir Rice did nothing wrong whatsoever")

No, not nuance. You have been big on wanting Rice to be accountable for his mistake (he's dead), however, have been very tight-lipped about how the Officers should be held accountable, other than the shooting officer shouldn't be held accountable at all.

 

[Toni]

And to be clear, you've been talking out of both sides of your mouth about Officer accountability in all of this.

It's called nuance. Quite different than what say RavenSky is doing ("Tamir Rice did nothing wrong whatsoever")

Nah. Your views of the shooting death by police of a child playing on a park are far from nuanced, all the way into racist territory.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

It's called nuance. Quite different than what say RavenSky is doing ("Tamir Rice did nothing wrong whatsoever")

No, not nuance. You have been big on wanting Rice to be accountable for his mistake (he's dead), however, have been very tight-lipped about how the Officers should be held accountable, other than the shooting officer shouldn't be held accountable at all.

I tried to get Derec's take on that with my last post, but he would not answer. I think it's because he - and Loren - know the behavior of the cops was reprehensible and unprofessional. So they obviously don't condone it happening daily. But they won't admit it because if they do it is saying the officer's behavior was reprehensible and unprofessional. Gets them into a vicious circle.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, not nuance. You have been big on wanting Rice to be accountable for his mistake (he's dead), however, have been very tight-lipped about how the Officers should be held accountable, other than the shooting officer shouldn't be held accountable at all.

I tried to get Derec's take on that with my last post, but he would not answer. I think it's because he - and Loren - know the behavior of the cops was reprehensible and unprofessional. So they obviously don't condone it happening daily. But they won't admit it because if they do it is saying the officer's behavior was reprehensible and unprofessional. Gets them into a vicious circle.

I disagree. I don't think either of them think the shooting was unprofessional or reprehensible. The worst they believe is it was regrettable.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I tried to get Derec's take on that with my last post, but he would not answer. I think it's because he - and Loren - know the behavior of the cops was reprehensible and unprofessional. So they obviously don't condone it happening daily. But they won't admit it because if they do it is saying the officer's behavior was reprehensible and unprofessional. Gets them into a vicious circle.

I disagree. I don't think either of them think the shooting was unprofessional or reprehensible. The worst they believe is it was regrettable.

And what makes it regrettable? That's my point.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I disagree. I don't think either of them think the shooting was unprofessional or reprehensible. The worst they believe is it was regrettable.

And what makes it regrettable? That's my point.

That a 12 year old made mistakes that led to his own death.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

And what makes it regrettable? That's my point.

That a 12 year old made mistakes that led to his own death.

And 12 year olds do that, have always done that, and will do that forever. Loren and Derec's position is to keep killing them - though not really - because they find it regrettable. And if it happened everyday in a park in the US under the same circumstances where cops roar up and open fire, they wouldn't tolerate it.

 

[laughing dog]

That a 12 year old made mistakes that led to his own death.

And 12 year olds do that, have always done that, and will do that forever. Loren and Derec's position is to keep killing them - though not really - because they find it regrettable. And if it happened everyday in a park in the US under the same circumstances where cops roar up and open fire, they wouldn't tolerate it.

Nah, mistakes happen, so as long as it is people who live the "thug" lifestyle, they seem to not only appreciate it, they applaud it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That a 12 year old made mistakes that led to his own death.

And 12 year olds do that, have always done that, and will do that forever. Loren and Derec's position is to keep killing them - though not really - because they find it regrettable.

Make that "regrettable".

And if it happened everyday in a park in the US under the same circumstances where cops roar up and open fire, they wouldn't tolerate it.

Loren would. Derec, depends on the race.

 

[repoman]

Yes, I am posting this picture sarcastically:

 

[Derec]

Loren would. Derec, depends on the race.

Nonsense.
Also going after poster rather than after the argument shows you have lost. Have a good day.

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Yes, I am posting this picture sarcastically:

You don't think the so-called "militarization of the police" has anything to do with (well armed) gang culture in the US in the last few decades?

 

[Rhea]

You don't think the so-called "militarization of the police" has anything to do with (well armed) gang culture in the US in the last few decades?

Nope, I don't.
We just got a FUCKING TANK in my county. There are no gangs here.
A fucking TANK.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nonsense.
Also going after poster rather than after the argument shows you have lost. Have a good day.

So you are saying that there are incidents involving police force that LP would object to?

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Yes, I am posting this picture sarcastically:

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There is so much wrong with that.

 

[Rhea]

So you are saying that there are incidents involving police force that LP would object to?

He'd have to prove it with a quote. 'Cause I don't think so.

 

[Derec]

You don't think the so-called "militarization of the police" has anything to do with (well armed) gang culture in the US in the last few decades?

Nope, I don't.
We just got a FUCKING TANK in my county. There are no gangs here.
A fucking TANK.

You probably don't mean something like this, which is what most people think of when they hear the word "tank" or even "a fucking tank".

But probably some sort of armored police vehicle like this one.

Also what county do you live in?

 

[Rhea]

Nope, I don't.
We just got a FUCKING TANK in my county. There are no gangs here.
A fucking TANK.

You probably don't mean something like this, which is what most people think of when they hear the word "tank" or even "a fucking tank".

More like this: To get the exact one I'd need to get out my parade photos or call my sheriff. I actually thought it had tracks, but I'm guessing it was tires. I recall sending a photo home to my husband, "you will NOT BELIEVE what the fucking Sheriff's dept is driving in the parade today."



And for a residential/rural area, that would be considered a fucking tank.

But probably some sort of armored police vehicle like this one.

That may be the technical name for it. It's a (completely unwarranted) militarization of a police department.

Also what county do you live in?

The one where I'm a recluse.
We have a population density of about 75 people per square mile. The MOST DENSE population center is 3500 people per square mile. It's less than 5 square miles. The rest of the county is more like 40 ppl/mi^2. There are no gangs here. There's crime, we have meth labs and such, but no gangs. The meth labs are in garages, typically.

 

[Rhea]

Also, this re: the militarization:

http://forums.officer.com/t189579/#post3349851

"My agency has 2 M-14's that are DRMO. The last 2 Sheriff's have been trying to get rid of them and can't. NO ONE wants them back.

The state DRMO office (state police ) keeps insisting that we account for them every year -----and our Sheriff keeps saying he doesn't want them any more..."

#1 We have modern M4's issued to eveyone
#2 Yes it is weird
#3 They absolutley refuse to take them back and won't even let us give them to another agency
#4 NO ONE wants to carry an M-14 as a patrol rifle .............those phuckers are heavy 10.7 lbs loaded
#5 As a LE agency we don't need to render anything semi auto

and
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...truggle-return-pentagon-military-surplus-gear

The tanks came from a vast Defense Department program that has furnished American police arsenals, at no charge, with $4.3 billion worth of combat equipment leftover from two foreign wars. The tanks are amphibious, capable of firing 107-mm mortars—and not remotely useful to Wisemore's rural police department. But the county can't seem to unload them. Back in June, Wisemore got an email from a Defense Department liaison promising to explain how Chelan County can get rid of the tanks. Then, nothing. Until further notice, Wisemore says, "they're just going to sit there."

That's what it's about. Not gangs.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

You don't think the so-called "militarization of the police" has anything to do with (well armed) gang culture in the US in the last few decades?

No it doesn't. It has to do with 9-11, the war of drugs, and asset forfeiture laws. The gangs are not that well armed.

 

[arkirk]

Also, this re: the militarization:

http://forums.officer.com/t189579/#post3349851

#1 We have modern M4's issued to eveyone
#2 Yes it is weird
#3 They absolutley refuse to take them back and won't even let us give them to another agency
#4 NO ONE wants to carry an M-14 as a patrol rifle .............those phuckers are heavy 10.7 lbs loaded
#5 As a LE agency we don't need to render anything semi auto

and
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...truggle-return-pentagon-military-surplus-gear

The tanks came from a vast Defense Department program that has furnished American police arsenals, at no charge, with $4.3 billion worth of combat equipment leftover from two foreign wars. The tanks are amphibious, capable of firing 107-mm mortars—and not remotely useful to Wisemore's rural police department. But the county can't seem to unload them. Back in June, Wisemore got an email from a Defense Department liaison promising to explain how Chelan County can get rid of the tanks. Then, nothing. Until further notice, Wisemore says, "they're just going to sit there."

That's what it's about. Not gangs.

It can't turned into scrap metal? That ought to be what happens to it. Somebody ought to organize a company to go around the country collecting this stuff and recycling it into more humane items. If DOD doesn't want to take it back, they are abandoning it in these cities and it is up to them to get rid of it otherwise.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You say he did not have a gun. The reality is that he had a realistic replica--and realistic replicas are treated as real until there is time to determine it's not real.

Which did not occur in the Rice case: the time to determine is before the police shoot, not afterwords.

You misunderstand. There wasn't time to determine if it was real or not, thus it was treated as real. He was treated as someone who is going for their gun. Remember, his mother is a drug trafficker, this is someone who grew up in the criminal lifestyle.

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Dispatch distills it down to facts, not speculation.

Dispatch is supposed to pass on the information the caller provides.

A dispatcher who thinks he or she is in a position to know the facts from where they sit at their desk, and selectively passes on information based on his or her opinion, is a dangerous idiot.

Facts: Individual playing with gun.

Speculation: Individual is kid, gun is fake.