How did Donald trump become a serious candidate for President?

[Harry Bosch]

Excellent post.

I don't intend to support Trump, but I do really like the effect he's having on everyone. He is a disruption, and our political process needs a major disruption. I do like Sanders, and he is also a disruption, just not quite as big a disruption.

I love the comparisons with Sanders and Trump. They are so nonsensical. There have been Sanders before in Hart and Dean. None of them ever won, so this is hardly anything new.

Trump defies any political logic. He has said some ridiculous things, but because he is perceived to be so far outside the establishment (billionaire who is on a first name basis with the political establishment in America) he has managed to survive mostly thanks to misogyny, alpha male bravado, and a healthy portion of ignorance of math, science, history, stuff in general.

I'm not aware of a single case of Trump in the US. He is purely a cult of personality. Wallace and Thurmond had segregation. Trump has lambast and arrogance. He hardly has a platform at all. Yet people have flocked to him, much like they flocked to an Alaskan Governor they knew nothing about. But in the Trump case, there seems little doubt in his support. It doesn't matter what he says or does... his supporters are behind him. They support him so much, they can't explain it to even the right wing AM radio talking heads.

The support for Trump is much like a political toddler tantrum, toddlers angry about their parents (the Republican Party) saying they would destroy Obama, yet haven't completely pulled through on it, by passing budgets instead of letting the US default. So the tea baggers are throwing a tantrum and will support Trump no matter what.

There are virtually no parallels between Sanders and Trump at all. Sanders looks to nudge his party to the left a little, Trump is looking to destroy the party of whom he seeks their nomination.

Trump and Sanders are very much alike in that they are both populists who tell people what they think they want to hear. They both play the blame game. Trump blames all of societies ills on immigrants and foreign trade. Sanders blames all society ills on corporations, banks, and trade.

 

[untermensche]

Trump and Sanders are very much alike in that they are both populists who tell people what they think they want to hear. They both play the blame game. Trump blames all of societies ills on immigrants and foreign trade. Sanders blames all society ills on corporations, banks, and trade.

All Sanders is saying is "Open your eyes! Look at the world. There are things other people are doing much better. There are other societies out there with better ideas."

This is good news, but it doesn't seem to be what some people want to hear.

And Sanders rationally demonstrates how the average American is being screwed by corporations destroying the planet and causing stagnation for workers.

There is nothing irrational about the blame Bernie throws around.

Unlike the insane nonsense spoken by Trump.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

 

[untermensche]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

How does a billionaire disrupt a nation controlled by the rich?

 

[repoman]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

How does a billionaire disrupt a nation controlled by the rich?

Demagoguery? Smoke and mirrors?

 

[laughing dog]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

Regardless, Sanders is not going to disrupt much of the establishment since Clinton has the Democratic nomination virtually locked up.

 

[coloradoatheist]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

How does a billionaire disrupt a nation controlled by the rich?

Isn't the question how either one of them would get their announced plans done? Both are anti-immigration and anti-China.

 

[repoman]

Sanders is anti-immigration?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

Your description of events is incompatible with reality. What actually happened is that one person in the thread said Bernie and Trump have similar platforms--note the word "platforms." There wasn't an emotional outrage instead a listing of some of the differences.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

How does a billionaire disrupt a nation controlled by the rich?

Good question. We know that all billionaires are part of the political establishment's inner circle, that there are none outside said inner circle, that there are no conflicts within that inner circle, etc.

He's a billionaire, yes. He's not part of the political in-crowd. There is such a thing, and it isn't defined by wealth. Yes, those in it are fairly wealthy, but wealth alone doesn't make one a member.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If that's true why did he go to Parties with Hillary all the time in the past, if it wasn't his wealth, then how did he swing with the dumbest people on the planet, politicians? I know you personally think it's his charisma and wonderful haircut, but could answer for the American people?

 

[ZiprHead]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

Your description of events is incompatible with reality. What actually happened is that one person in the thread said Bernie and Trump have similar platforms--note the word "platforms." There wasn't an emotional outrage instead a listing of some of the differences.

Trump has a platform? I thought he was nothing but a hissy-fit with skin.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I know that Trump-Sanders comparisons really annoy people, but there is one similarity between the two. They both disrupt the establishment. Dean and Hart don't disrupt the establishment. Sanders does, and Trump does so even more.

Anyone who says "there's no comparison, NONE!!!111!!!oneoneone!!" is ignoring the facts right in front of their faces. The two of them, for all that they may or may not have in common elsewhere, both are disruptions to the establishment.

Your description of events is incompatible with reality. What actually happened is that one person in the thread said Bernie and Trump have similar platforms--note the word "platforms." There wasn't an emotional outrage instead a listing of some of the differences.

Several people responded very negatively to me commenting on the similarities. Someone said platform, it wasn't me. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Your description of events is incompatible with reality. What actually happened is that one person in the thread said Bernie and Trump have similar platforms--note the word "platforms." There wasn't an emotional outrage instead a listing of some of the differences.

Several people responded very negatively to me commenting on the similarities. Someone said platform, it wasn't me. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

One could say that both Hitler and Gandhi were anti-establishment, but that in and of itself is not a reason to go vote for Hitler because Gandhi lost to Hillary Clinton in the primary.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Oh, you see me making an endorsement. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

 

[RVonse]

Your description of events is incompatible with reality. What actually happened is that one person in the thread said Bernie and Trump have similar platforms--note the word "platforms." There wasn't an emotional outrage instead a listing of some of the differences.

Several people responded very negatively to me commenting on the similarities. Someone said platform, it wasn't me. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

I'm the one who said it so I'll defend it.

Both Sanders and Trump want to bring jobs back to the US. Both want to have nothing to do with TPP which is not free trade, but corrupted trade solely profiting of special interests who crafted it up for their purpose. Both Sanders and Trump want to rein in the Banksters. Both Sanders and Trump have a chance to bring genuine change to our gravely corrupt government because neither Sanders or Trump takes special interest PAC money. I believe both Sanders and Trump are basically honest. Both Sanders and Trump appear to speak for the middle class of this country. Trump actually goes further on this than Sanders does, simply because Sanders has compassion for Mexicans who Trump only wants to send back to Mexico. But Trump is actually helping the middle class more than Sanders because reducing available labor from this country will serves to raise wages for average middle class workers. Bringing the same effect that caused middle class wages to rise between 1930 to 1950 during a period of no immigration. To summarize, Sanders and Trump want to serve the middle class. All the other candidates are there to serve the establishment and protect the status quo.

Saving the middle class of America is huge IMO. So huge I personally can't understand how intelligent middle class people do not see this. Yet I see blind people even here on this thread. We get to hear about how Donald talks about women and everything other trivial issue and this does serve the purpose for tripping up his mission. Exactly what the establishment wants.

 

[RVonse]

Several people responded very negatively to me commenting on the similarities. Someone said platform, it wasn't me. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

One could say that both Hitler and Gandhi were anti-establishment, but that in and of itself is not a reason to go vote for Hitler because Gandhi lost to Hillary Clinton in the primary.

Hillary Clinton is far, far, far, far more corrupt than Trump. There is simply no comparison in my mind. And I'm willing to vote for the dog catcher if it helps keep her from running this country.

 

[Tristan Scott]

Hillary Clinton is far, far, far, far more corrupt than Trump.

Exactly what corruption are you referring to?

 

[untermensche]

How does a billionaire disrupt a nation controlled by the rich?

Demagoguery? Smoke and mirrors?

What is disrupted?

The machine churns on. The rich get richer and the number of those living in desperation grows.

 

[untermensche]

How does a billionaire disrupt a nation controlled by the rich?

Good question. We know that all billionaires are part of the political establishment's inner circle, that there are none outside said inner circle, that there are no conflicts within that inner circle, etc.

He's a billionaire, yes. He's not part of the political in-crowd. There is such a thing, and it isn't defined by wealth. Yes, those in it are fairly wealthy, but wealth alone doesn't make one a member.

What is he going to do to disrupt the current system where the rich don't pay their fair share and are living as parasites off the work of the majority?