How did Donald trump become a serious candidate for President?

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Trump is going to disrupt the system so that it becomes acceptable by the majority to beat up minorities. Also, this is the left's fault because political correctness and Obama.

 

[RVonse]

Hillary Clinton is far, far, far, far more corrupt than Trump.

Exactly what corruption are you referring to?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...vances-on-the-white-house-paul-craig-roberts/

Has any American previously been able to run for the presidential nomination while being under investigation by the FBI for security violations? That Hillary Clinton so easily escapes accountability indicates the immunity of those who serve the deep state.

And serve the deep state the Clintons certaintly do as is indicated by the $153 million in “speaking fees”—read bribes and payoffs—that CNN and Fox News report the Clintons have been paid by Wall Street, the mega-banks, and corporate America. This sum does not include campaign donations or donations to the Clintons’ foundation. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

Mike Loftgren defines the deep state as the powerful private interest groups (the One Percent) and the more or less permanent personnel who comprise the One Percent’s operatives in the government.

Despite the appearance of blatant corruption, Hillary is in the lead for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination. Either American voters are inured to political corruption or something else is going on. Stephen Lendman reports that Hillary, aided and abeted by the Democratic Party and election officials, is “winning” primaries through fraud.

 

[Tristan Scott]

Exactly what corruption are you referring to?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...vances-on-the-white-house-paul-craig-roberts/

Has any American previously been able to run for the presidential nomination while being under investigation by the FBI for security violations? That Hillary Clinton so easily escapes accountability indicates the immunity of those who serve the deep state.

And serve the deep state the Clintons certaintly do as is indicated by the $153 million in “speaking fees”—read bribes and payoffs—that CNN and Fox News report the Clintons have been paid by Wall Street, the mega-banks, and corporate America. This sum does not include campaign donations or donations to the Clintons’ foundation. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

Mike Loftgren defines the deep state as the powerful private interest groups (the One Percent) and the more or less permanent personnel who comprise the One Percent’s operatives in the government.

Despite the appearance of blatant corruption, Hillary is in the lead for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination. Either American voters are inured to political corruption or something else is going on. Stephen Lendman reports that Hillary, aided and abeted by the Democratic Party and election officials, is “winning” primaries through fraud.

Oh, the emails. That makes her FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, more corrupt than Trump? No, it doesn't make her corrupt at all. The emails are a lot about nothing and as a former civil servant Roberts should know this, but of course he's never been a stranger to hyperbole.

It was an IT infraction, nothing more.

 

[RVonse]

Actually the speaking fees are what upset me. The Clintons weren't wealthy until they came to Washington from Arkansas. Are you going to try and defend that too?

 

[laughing dog]

Trump is a land developer. He developed casinos in New Jersey. That alone makes it more likely than Trump is corrupt on a scale that dwarfs any corruption on the part of Hillary Clinton. And, I am not defending Hillary Clinton.

 

[repoman]

Trump is going to disrupt the system so that it becomes acceptable by the majority to beat up minorities. Also, this is the left's fault because political correctness and Obama.

he has a couple black women defending him. They are unironically called "tactical sheboons" on the website I lurk on: 8ch.net/pol

 

[zorq]

Trump is a land developer. He developed casinos in New Jersey. That alone makes it more likely than Trump is corrupt on a scale that dwarfs any corruption on the part of Hillary Clinton.

OT derail but...
Trump tries to be a land developer, but he's really a total failure whenever he's the one in charge of building. None of the buildings that he built himself have ended up as significant money making propositions. Most of them have resulted in bankruptcy including the casinos in New Jersey. Really, the only thing Trump is any good at is selling his name. His best/only real estate successes have been when he licences his name to other developers.

Trump's not a real estate developer, he's a real estate loser.

I kind of admire the man, he managed to take his greatest character flaw, over-confidence, and turn it into his greatest strength. He's a world class con-man who probably doesn't realize that his first mark(victim) was himself.

 

[untermensche]

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...vances-on-the-white-house-paul-craig-roberts/

Has any American previously been able to run for the presidential nomination while being under investigation by the FBI for security violations? That Hillary Clinton so easily escapes accountability indicates the immunity of those who serve the deep state.

And serve the deep state the Clintons certaintly do as is indicated by the $153 million in “speaking fees”—read bribes and payoffs—that CNN and Fox News report the Clintons have been paid by Wall Street, the mega-banks, and corporate America. This sum does not include campaign donations or donations to the Clintons’ foundation. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

Mike Loftgren defines the deep state as the powerful private interest groups (the One Percent) and the more or less permanent personnel who comprise the One Percent’s operatives in the government.

Despite the appearance of blatant corruption, Hillary is in the lead for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination. Either American voters are inured to political corruption or something else is going on. Stephen Lendman reports that Hillary, aided and abeted by the Democratic Party and election officials, is “winning” primaries through fraud.

Oh, the emails. That makes her FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, more corrupt than Trump? No, it doesn't make her corrupt at all. The emails are a lot about nothing and as a former civil servant Roberts should know this, but of course he's never been a stranger to hyperbole.

It was an IT infraction, nothing more.

And it is distraction from her real crimes, like her vote to allow the invasion of Iraq.

But the people who care about the minor crime of unsecured emails don't care about the big crimes for some reason.

 

[ZiprHead]

A Trump defector...:
http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

 

[lpetrich]

Titled link: An Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector - xoJane -- by Stephanie Cegielski

It's very damning.

Even Trump's most trusted advisors didn't expect him to fare this well.

Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it.

...
But something surprising and absolutely unexpected happened. Every other candidate misestimated the anger and outrage of the “silent majority” of Americans who are not a part of the liberal elite. So with each statement came a jump in the polls. Just when I thought we were finished, The Donald gained more popularity.

Not even Bernie Sanders?

He certainly was never prepared or equipped to go all the way to the White House, but his ego has now taken over the driver's seat, and nothing else matters. The Donald does not fail. The Donald does not have any weakness. The Donald is his own biggest enemy.

A devastating terrorist attack in Pakistan targeting Christians occurred on Easter Sunday, and Trump’s response was to tweet, "Another radical Islamic attack, this time in Pakistan, targeting Christian women & children. At least 67 dead, 400 injured. I alone can solve."

SC then pointed out that foreign policy does not work that way, that this reflects Trump's egomania more than anything else.

He doesn't want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

The hard truth is: Trump only cares about Trump.

She then described his lack of humility about foreign policy, and also his campaign demagoguery.

Unfortunately, the more vitriolic Trump has become, the more the people responded to him. That drove him to push the boundaries further and further.

I also started seeing a trend of incompetence and deniability.

When there was a tweet that contained an error, he would blame it on an intern; when there was a photo containing a World War II Nazi Germany background, he would blame it on an intern; when he answered questions in an overtly controversial fashion, he would claim that he did not properly hear the question. He refused to take responsibility for his actions while frequently demanding apologies from others.

Imagine Trump wronged you, even in the smallest possible way. He would go to the grave denying he had ever done anything wrong to you — ever.

She didn't discuss his "woman problem", though she did link to Donald Trump Mocks Hillary Clinton for Using the Bathroom, Uses Crude Slur to Refer to Her 2008 Campaign - xoJane

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Trump is going to disrupt the system so that it becomes acceptable by the majority to beat up minorities.

Is that sarcasm or do you think that is Trump's goal? I can't tell.

 

[ZiprHead]

This is how Trump got to be a serious candidate.:


This is what we'll need if he wins.:

 

[RavenSky]

Several people responded very negatively to me commenting on the similarities. Someone said platform, it wasn't me. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

One could say that both Hitler and Gandhi were anti-establishment, but that in and of itself is not a reason to go vote for Hitler because Gandhi lost to Hillary Clinton in the primary.

^^^ that

 

[RavenSky]

Several people responded very negatively to me commenting on the similarities. Someone said platform, it wasn't me. I have no need to defend what I didn't say.

I'm the one who said it so I'll defend it.

Both Sanders and Trump want to bring jobs back to the US. Both want to have nothing to do with TPP which is not free trade, but corrupted trade solely profiting of special interests who crafted it up for their purpose. Both Sanders and Trump want to rein in the Banksters. Both Sanders and Trump have a chance to bring genuine change to our gravely corrupt government because neither Sanders or Trump takes special interest PAC money. I believe both Sanders and Trump are basically honest. Both Sanders and Trump appear to speak for the middle class of this country. Trump actually goes further on this than Sanders does, simply because Sanders has compassion for Mexicans who Trump only wants to send back to Mexico. But Trump is actually helping the middle class more than Sanders because reducing available labor from this country will serves to raise wages for average middle class workers. Bringing the same effect that caused middle class wages to rise between 1930 to 1950 during a period of no immigration. To summarize, Sanders and Trump want to serve the middle class. All the other candidates are there to serve the establishment and protect the status quo.

Saving the middle class of America is huge IMO. So huge I personally can't understand how intelligent middle class people do not see this. Yet I see blind people even here on this thread. We get to hear about how Donald talks about women and everything other trivial issue and this does serve the purpose for tripping up his mission. Exactly what the establishment wants.

Here's the difference:

Trump is a proven liar, has contradicted every position he has ever taken, and is anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-just-about-everyone

Sanders genuinely believes what he is saying, and has lived it by example his entire life.

In short, they are NOTHING alike and it is beyond ridiculous to vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't win the Democratic nomination. I think it would make Bernie Sanders vomit to hear anyone say that.

 

[RavenSky]

Actually the speaking fees are what upset me. The Clintons weren't wealthy until they came to Washington from Arkansas. Are you going to try and defend that too?

Please name a former President and First Lady who have not received speaking fees after leaving office. George W. Bush, Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, George Bush, the elder; even Jeb Bush prior to running for President.

Donald Trump charges 1.5 million per engagement for his speaking fees. Why would Clinton's speaking fees bother you while Trump's don't?

 

[laughing dog]

Actually the speaking fees are what upset me. The Clintons weren't wealthy until they came to Washington from Arkansas. Are you going to try and defend that too?

Please name a former President and First Lady who have not received speaking fees after leaving office. George W. Bush, Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, George Bush, the elder; even Jeb Bush prior to running for President.

Donald Trump charges 1.5 million per engagement for his speaking fees. Why would Clinton's speaking fees bother you while Trump's don't?

I think the theory is that the payers of these speaking fees are really trying to buy political influence in the case of Clinton. Certainly now that would true of Trump, but not before his candidacy.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/tru...residential-candidate-if-he-loses-nomination/

Republican front-runner Donald Trump on Tuesday abandoned a pledge to support a party presidential nominee other than himself, a sign of increasing friction with chief rival Ted Cruz.
“No, I don’t anymore,” Trump replied, when asked at a CNN town hall event whether he still supported a pledge he made last year to support whoever is the Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 election.

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It looks like its getting very personal with Der Trump. This is looking like its going to be rather nasty at the GOP convention. Cruz seems to be getting nasty about all of this also. At this point, I don't know whether to giggle and laugh or not. Obviously the GOP is breaking up, but who knows what might arise from its ashes post 2016. I don't see any sane voices poised to pick up the pieces.

 

[untermensche]

Here's the difference:

Trump is a proven liar, has contradicted every position he has ever taken, and is anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-just-about-everyone

Sanders genuinely believes what he is saying, and has lived it by example his entire life.

In short, they are NOTHING alike and it is beyond ridiculous to vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't win the Democratic nomination. I think it would make Bernie Sanders vomit to hear anyone say that.

Trump is a pathological liar. He does not seem to even recognize the concept of truth.

Just the kind of guy you want running things for you.

 

[Tristan Scott]

Actually the speaking fees are what upset me. The Clintons weren't wealthy until they came to Washington from Arkansas. Are you going to try and defend that too?

Whats to defend? You were referring to corruption. People throw that word around a lot referring to politicians, and I suppose it is all in how you define what is corrupt. Some people may find that Trump's hair is corrupt, or that Bernie waiting 72 years to become a democrat so he can actually have a chance at the white house, or if Hillary parked in handicapped spaces. I suppose those can all be considered corrupt, but like so many other issues I wish Americans could take a more worldly view and realize that things aren't as awful here as they are being led to believe-sure they could be better: wages should be higher; everyone should have access to healthcare; wealth should be regulated, on and on, but when you travel to other countries you find that a vast majority of the people on this planet have real problems.

Most countries are faced with real corruption.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Let's be real, though. Who engages politicians in corruption in the US? It's primarily for-profit corporations, including bribery, campaign funding, and revolving doors. Since Donald Trump gave Hillary money, are we to conclude that Hillary is the corrupt one? No, they're both part of the machine.