Rise of the Right: Marching in Europe's Largest Nationalist Event

[Axulus]

Every year tens of thousands of Poles attend a nationalist march in Warsaw. It's an event that has the people of Poland's capital city staying indoors.

Since its inception, far-right football fans - or 'ultras' - turn violent against the police, and the march becomes a ferocious battle between hooligans and the state. This year, however, something is different.

A right wing government is elected on the eve of the march. How will this affect this traditionally bloody parade?

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Right wing authoritarianism, nationalism, and xenophobia has crept up upon us, and the left has been completely useless throughout this whole development, obsessing over their "microagressions", "the patriarchy", "white privilege", calling people racists and bigots and Islamophobes who don't pass their purity tests, rearranging the deck chairs as the Titanic sinks. They are unwilling to challenge right-wing authoritarian ideology when it comes from the Muslim community but are hypersensitive to the point of aggravating annoyance to any hint of it from the right in the dominant culture, which means pretty much the only voice anyone hears challenging right-wing Islamist theocracy ideology is from the nutty, bigoted authoritarian right.

The left has also vastly underestimated people's right-wing inclinations to have pride in one's own culture and nation and the irrational fears of these being destroyed or fundamentally changed in some perceived fashion. They sneer at the very idea rather than attempt to channel these feelings into something positive that satisfies the inclination in a non-xenophobic, non-racist, non-bigoted direction.

I've also noticed a sharp rise in pro right-wing authoritarian comments throughout various internet sites, such as YouTube and news sites. The problem is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, along with Islamist terrorism. The world is just at the earliest stages of these developments.

 

[untermensche]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

 

[Axulus]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

It's easy to blame your simplistic boogeymen rather than deal with the real issues at hand. Sentiments like these will only empower the right wing authoritarians. You give them the succor they crave - an enemy they feel is worth fighting against. And not without some reason, I must add, there are legitimate concerns with the stances you take. Give the right wing authoritarians even an inch of legitimacy, and they'll take it a mile. Further, it's the failure of the left to acknowledge even the inch of legitimacy that makes it so these right wing authoritarians become the sole dissenting voice on the matter, which allows them to attract far more followers and allows them to take the position to extremes. The non right-wing authoritarian dissenters on any position the left holds dear are demonized by the left as insufficiently pure, purging those voices from the discussion.

 

[untermensche]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

It's easy to blame your simplistic boogeymen rather than deal with the real issues at hand. Sentiments like these will only empower the right wing authoritarians. You give them the succor they crave - an enemy they feel is worth fighting against. And not without some reason, I must add, there are legitimate concerns with the stances you take.

IMO these are always expressions of insecurity, and mainly financial insecurity.

The State/Corporate system has a stranglehold on most of the world.

And is choking the working man and ensuring his decline.

But the State/Corporate system has a lot of nice systems of propaganda, from the educational system to the nightly news.

Many are unable to see who is the real enemy crushing them.

And lash out at helpless humans, causing them no harm, that look different.

 

[faded_Glory]

It is fallacious to blame the rise of the right wingers on the left. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and attitudes. If someone decides to become a right-wing xenophobic authoritarian bigot that is entirely their own responsibility, and attempts to deflect that on anyone else are cowardly and misguided. Fascists are to blame for fascists, nobody else.

 

[untermensche]

It is fallacious to blame the rise of the right wingers on the left. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and attitudes. If someone decides to become a right-wing xenophobic authoritarian bigot that is entirely their own responsibility, and attempts to deflect that on anyone else are cowardly and misguided. Fascists are to blame for fascists, nobody else.

You wonder how many of these really violent people may have suffered some kind of abuse at some time.

Everybody starts as a defenseless child.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

It's easy to blame your simplistic boogeymen rather than deal with the real issues at hand. Sentiments like these will only empower the right wing authoritarians. You give them the succor they crave - an enemy they feel is worth fighting against. And not without some reason, I must add, there are legitimate concerns with the stances you take. Give the right wing authoritarians even an inch of legitimacy, and they'll take it a mile. Further, it's the failure of the left to acknowledge even the inch of legitimacy that makes it so these right wing authoritarians become the sole dissenting voice on the matter, which allows them to attract far more followers and allows them to take the position to extremes. The non right-wing authoritarian dissenters on any position the left holds dear are demonized by the left as insufficiently pure, purging those voices from the discussion.

Where are the dissenters on the right? Why aren't the "right" thinking conservatives out in the streets counter protesting the fascists? If the left is so useless, why isn't the right doing something about their own "kith and kin?"

 

[bigfield]

The rise of the right wing in Europe is a demonstration of the fact that people are mostly fucktards whose views are based on emotion, not critical thinking.

The refugee crisis is a challenge to Western society, but not in the way that the fascists would have us believe. It's a challenge of our ability to evaluate the facts and make well-reasoned decisions that maximise well-being. Instead, public opinion, and therefore public policy, is guided by fearmongers on the right, declaring the impending Islamic conquest of Europe and the death of European culture, despite ample evidence to the contrary. The lurch to the right has also been fuelled by Islamic terrorism in Europe. Each terror attack widens the rift between Muslims and non-Muslims in the West; fucktards in the West paint all Muslims as the enemy, hindering integration and fostering marginalised, angry Muslim youths.

Critical thinking and toleration are not characteristics that you foist upon a population in the moment that a crisis emerges; you can't inspire rationality by marching against the fascists and shouting back at them; those tactics are only effective at stoking emotions. Critical thinking, and the ability to see the world through someone else's eyes, are abilities that are cultivated by childhood and adolescent education. The quality of a person's education is not only determined by the quality of the education system, but by the lack of disruption outside of that system.

The Vice documentary illustrated at least two of those disruptive factors impeding European enlightenment: economic depression and religion. Lack of economic opportunities makes people bitter and angry--it's human nature to be frustrated--and those people look for someone to blame. In the 1930's it was the Jews, and now it's the Muslims. In addition, impoverished households are also more likely to be abusive or neglectful households to grow up in, creating many of society's antisocial and self-destructive individuals who have no capacity for enlightened self-interest. Despite a promising long-term trend toward irreligion in the West, the Catholic Church is still an influential institution in Poland, where it fosters intolerance and ignorance.

The left has also vastly underestimated people's right-wing inclinations to have pride in one's own culture and nation and the irrational fears of these being destroyed or fundamentally changed in some perceived fashion. They sneer at the very idea rather than attempt to channel these feelings into something positive that satisfies the inclination in a non-xenophobic, non-racist, non-bigoted direction.

That 'something positive' has already been discovered: sport. Sporting participation is not only a social benefit, but sporting competitions are a release valve for expressions of tribalism that are far less destructive than warfare, and has multiple social benefits including health, recreation and economic activity.

But sport will never win the support of the left as team sports are, in Noam Chomsky's words, 'training in irrational jingoism'.

 

[Horatio Parker]

So, the right needs the left to save the right from themselves?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

interestingly when white people violently attack the police they are called "hooligans." I haven't heard that word since the 80's.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So, the right needs the left to save the right from themselves?

It doth appear to be the drift of this discussion.

 

[barbos]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

You do realize that Poland does not have blacks and police is forced to beat white and privileged?

 

[dismal]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

I don't normally associate "Poland" with "born into white privilege".

I usually picture white people having discussions like "Q. what should we do now?" "A: I dunno let's conquer Poland".

 

[untermensche]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

I don't normally associate "Poland" with "born into white privilege".

I usually picture white people having discussions like "Q. what should we do now?" "A: I dunno let's conquer Poland".

Look at the so-called leaders both politically and economically. Look at the majority.

Caucasian.

It's not as racist to it's core as the US, but it is a nation that has been run by white people, mostly men, for a long time.

 

[dismal]

I don't normally associate "Poland" with "born into white privilege".

I usually picture white people having discussions like "Q. what should we do now?" "A: I dunno let's conquer Poland".

Look at the so-called leaders both politically and economically. Look at the majority.

Caucasian.

It's not as racist to it's core as the US, but it is a nation that has been run by white people, mostly men, for a long time.

There are two elements to "white privilege". I'm not disputing the Polish generally have the "white" part.

 

[barbos]

I don't normally associate "Poland" with "born into white privilege".

I usually picture white people having discussions like "Q. what should we do now?" "A: I dunno let's conquer Poland".

Look at the so-called leaders both politically and economically. Look at the majority.

Caucasian.

It's not as racist to it's core as the US, but it is a nation that has been run by white people, mostly men, for a long time.

So you suggest Poland to elect black woman president?
your obsession with white privilege does not apply in this case.

 

[whichphilosophy]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

They were born into white only societies, and in many cases are hardly privileged. However before migrants many hated the Jews and WWII only shows how proudly a few served the Nazis, but not forgetting many more who were in the resistance.

Unfortunately the level of immigration into Europe has acted as a platform for these people to act upon.

 

[untermensche]

Look at the so-called leaders both politically and economically. Look at the majority.

Caucasian.

It's not as racist to it's core as the US, but it is a nation that has been run by white people, mostly men, for a long time.

There are two elements to "white privilege". I'm not disputing the Polish generally have the "white" part.

Two elements?

You mean the idea that whites are superior?

For some reason it isn't hard for some white people everywhere to believe this.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

When you are born into a society based on white privilege and indoctrinated into a society based on white privilege it is hard to accept it when despite all this white privilege one fails.

It's easy to blame your simplistic boogeymen rather than deal with the real issues at hand. Sentiments like these will only empower the right wing authoritarians. You give them the succor they crave - an enemy they feel is worth fighting against. And not without some reason, I must add, there are legitimate concerns with the stances you take. Give the right wing authoritarians even an inch of legitimacy, and they'll take it a mile. Further, it's the failure of the left to acknowledge even the inch of legitimacy that makes it so these right wing authoritarians become the sole dissenting voice on the matter, which allows them to attract far more followers and allows them to take the position to extremes. The non right-wing authoritarian dissenters on any position the left holds dear are demonized by the left as insufficiently pure, purging those voices from the discussion.

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Where are the dissenters on the right? Why aren't the "right" thinking conservatives out in the streets counter protesting the fascists? If the left is so useless, why isn't the right doing something about their own "kith and kin?"

 

[dismal]

There are two elements to "white privilege". I'm not disputing the Polish generally have the "white" part.

Two elements?

You mean the idea that whites are superior?

For some reason it isn't hard for some white people everywhere to believe this.

It didn't seem like an explanation was necessary. Maybe I triggered the wrong script from the reply-bot.

tip: "white privilege" has two words. One of them is "white".[/captain obvious]