What are we going to do about black people and all their guns?

[Derec]

Example:
Girl believed to be gang assassin before she was gunned down

Statistics:
Gun Homicide and Violent Crime

If people (you know who you are) insist to frame gun crimes discussion in terms of race shouldn't we focus on where the problem is most prevalent?

 

[ksen]

Getting in on the ground floor of this thread because it's gonna be awesome.

 

[Trausti]

If people (you know who you are) insist to frame gun crimes discussion in terms of race shouldn't we focus on where the problem is most prevalent?

Oh, come now. You know that only white heterosexual males are bad and responsible for every bad thing that ever happened, ever. Off to social justice reeducation camp for you!

 

[Jarhyn]

I have no way to express how horribly fucking racist the OP is. It boggles my mind. It has nothing to do with skin color, and putting it in those terms belies thought patterns most likely to result in false positives in threat assessment.

There is a self-segregating culture that is racist that results in crime. It exists due to equally racist and otherwise socially cowardly policies that would fix the problem. First is bussing. Second is converting education funds from local districts to statewide pools divided based on district size and restricting sports earmarks. Third (and most painful and radical) is to take unilateral steps to force unfit biological parents to cede custody and to require biologically unproductive but capable parents to be parents to those children rather than having children of their own. It's the only way to crack the self-segregating racist cultures.

At that point it won't be 'blacks' but rather a clear issue of criminal culture.

 

[Sabine Grant]

Example:
Girl believed to be gang assassin before she was gunned down

Statistics:
Gun Homicide and Violent Crime

If people (you know who you are) insist to frame gun crimes discussion in terms of race shouldn't we focus on where the problem is most prevalent?

Did you somehow miss the introductory sentence in the paragraph quoted in Athena's OP ?

Mass shootings by white men, as well as Right-wing domestic terrorism, have become events akin to those in the classic comedy Groundhog Day.

Now that it was brought up to your attention and how her title relates directly to the quote above, care to provide data supporting any comparative claim based on "mass shootings and Right Wing domestic terrorism" involving a majority of shooters of Black ethnicity?

I mean if you are going to start a topic on gun crimes, why dismissing the SPECIFIC of Athena's Op relating the prevalence of "mass shootings and Right Wing domestic terrorism" based on the ethnicity of the shooters as if she had been referring to "white men" in her title disconnected from the very specifics in her OP while you indulged in "If people (you know who you are) insist to frame gun crimes discussion in terms of race shouldn't we focus on where the problem is most prevalent?"

It is not a matter of insisting "to frame gun crimes discussion in terms of race" but based on the reality that those SPECIFIC crimes and again "mass shootings and Right Wing domestic terrorism" concern firearms being in the hands of a majority of "white men" specifically.

Whereas gun crimes in general concern firearms being in the hands of people representative of a diversity of ethnicity.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I have no way to express how horribly fucking racist the OP is. It boggles my mind. It has nothing to do with skin color, and putting it in those terms belies thought patterns most likely to result in false positives in threat assessment.

I just checked the other thread. You didn't make a similar comment there.

 

[Derec]

I have no way to express how horribly fucking racist the OP is. It boggles my mind.

Way to miss the point of the thread by a light year! This thread is a direct response to the thread What are we gonna do about white people and all their guns? which makes a racially charged point about white people and guns.

It has nothing to do with skin color, and putting it in those terms belies thought patterns most likely to result in false positives in threat assessment.

I would agree, but as I said, if one insists on making it about race, shouldn't the race in question be the one responsible for vast majority of gun homicides (especially when adjusted for population share)?

There is a self-segregating culture that is racist that results in crime. It exists due to equally racist and otherwise socially cowardly policies that would fix the problem.

So whitey made Gakirah pick up a gun and kill people?

First is bussing. Second is converting education funds from local districts to statewide pools divided based on district size and restricting sports earmarks. Third (and most painful and radical) is to take unilateral steps to force unfit biological parents to cede custody and to require biologically unproductive but capable parents to be parents to those children rather than having children of their own. It's the only way to crack the self-segregating racist cultures.

Forced busing was an unmitigated disaster but telling capable parents they are not allowed to have children of their own but have to raise somebody else's brats would be 1,000,000,000 times worse. The only proposal that would be both productive and doable would is your second one to distribute education funds on statewide basis rather than make school funding a function of local property values. However, adequate funding is just a part of the problem.

At that point it won't be 'blacks' but rather a clear issue of criminal culture.

Of course it is criminal culture rather than a race as a whole but there is definitely a strong correlation between the two. In other words, while blaming all black people for black crime would indeed be racist, the insistence to ignore statistics because the result is not politically correct and instead to blame everything on whitey because of a handful of highly publicized cases is just as racist.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

What are we going to do about black people and all their guns


Arrest us
Lock us up
Shoot us
Lynch us

Pretty much what has happened and is happening to black people already.

And that's with or without guns.

 

[Jarhyn]

I have no way to express how horribly fucking racist the OP is. It boggles my mind. It has nothing to do with skin color, and putting it in those terms belies thought patterns most likely to result in false positives in threat assessment.

I just checked the other thread. You didn't make a similar comment there.

Athena has her problems with bringing up race where it doesn't belong, but the entire topic is here an instance of that problem magnified by a thousand. Splinter versus septic gash. I'm pretty sure Athena's views here don't involve something couched in the terms of 'white people are dangerous' but rather 'anti-government religious extremist terrorists are fucking dangerous, and they just happen to be disproportionately white, as an example that dark skinned people shouldn't be feared for their skin tone'. Ultimately the latter discussion in her views isn't productive, but that's different from the pointedly counterproductive of framing it entirely in terms of race rather than on THUG culture (which is not, to me, about race but about a culture which declares violence and coercion an 'acceptable means')

 

[Kharakov]

Umm.. yeah.

2nd-amendment-manners-do-s-and-don-ts

 

[ksen]

What are we going to do about black people and all their guns


Arrest us
Lock us up
Shoot us
Lynch us

Pretty much what has happened and is happening to black people already.

And that's with or without guns.

Well, if black people didn't get involved in black culture then maybe there wouldn't be a problem. If everyone just adopted white culture we'd all be . . . god, I can't even finish this.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, if black people didn't get involved in black culture then maybe there wouldn't be a problem. If everyone just adopted white culture we'd all be . . . god, I can't even finish this.

Good point. After all, not even the most horrendous racists want to shoot Bill Cosby in self-defence and would be quite happy to run into him in a dark alley and have a nice conversation about stock portfolios. It's just all the other ones who are wandering around in their hoodies thinking up new ways to rob us and rape our fine white women who are the problem.

 

[laughing dog]

Way to miss the point of the thread by a light year! This thread is a direct response to the thread..

No, I think Jarhyn hit the nail on the head. The fact you felt the need to respond to a thread with this is simply confirms his observation.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

"Black culture" IS "white culture"

Didn't the white settlers claim turf that wasn't theirs?

The acquisition of bling is consumerism, isn't it? Madison ave, not Compton, preaches the gospel of get stuff.

Anti-intellectulism is as old if not older than the republic. It is Tea party Republicans who spout idiocy on the floors of the House and Senate daily AND PASS LEGISLATION based on said idiocy, not rappers or streetgangs.

the very white quiverful movement demands women have dozens of children they can't possibly afford and a very white anti-abortion and anti birth control movement actively work to deny family planning access to black communities.



So what are we talking about?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It is a good thing there is no common theme between the two threads that might be a solution to these common problems.

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No common themes.

 

[Kharakov]

What are we going to do about black people and all their guns

Pretty much what has happened and is happening to black people already.

And that's with or without guns.

You do know that the difference in racial treatment is leveraged by the affluent to play the poor and downtrodden against one another, to keep them from joining together into a working unit that prevents exploitation by the upper classes. The purpose of racial profiling is to play the poor against one another, to distract them from the real problem, which is a class of powerful individuals who exploit the work of the world for their personal interests.

It's a standard wedge maneuver, designed and exploited to keep the lower classes immersed in chaos and need, so that they can be used to accomplish what the rich desire (flying around, being waited on, hot young women, good drinks, good drugs, etc.). New recruits to the cause of the affluent stay on the one side of the line, at the lower levels, lower management, so to speak, always with the goal of enslaving many more to the cause, so that they may have enough workers beneath them that they may enjoy their share of the eternal pyramid scheme.

Let's pretend that the beings that make us up aren't even conscious, if they are sub atomic, they exist only for our pleasure, and have no feelings of their own.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Wow are you ever predictable. When I first saw Athena's thread I was like...Derec will make his own thread substituting one word in the title in 3...2...1...

Who knew you would make me wait until 7!

You sly, clever white man you.

 

[Derec]

Arrest us
Lock us up

Isn't that what we should do to criminals regardless of race?

Shoot us

As you can see from the OP most shootings are committed by blacks. By and large it's not whitey shooting black people, it's other blacks.

Lynch us

That is actually a crime, for which the perpetrators are prosecuted and imprisoned.

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Wow are you ever predictable.

Predictions are very easy after the fact. Same as prophesies ...

 

[Jarhyn]

Lynch us

That is actually a crime, for which the perpetrators are prosecuted and imprisoned ...

Which isn't true depending largely on the complexion of the persons lynching or being lynched, driven mostly by attitudes like yours, which despite weak claims to the contrary are steeped in a mire of race based thinking.

In short there is a culture you participate in which is just as divisive and self segregating, and yes, violent, as the one in which the individuals in the pictures of your OP participate.

 

[Ford]

So what are we talking about?

The fact that when white folks talk about the "right to bear arms," the 2nd Amendment, and "stand your ground," they don't necessarily mean these guys:



Or these guys:



No, they mean this guy:




Carrying a gun while black? You're a "thug."

Carrying a gun while white? You can be Governor!