How is Bernie going to pay for it??!!!111

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I'm kind of sick of hearing that because it ignores some things.

(1) It's not just that other civilized countries have a national healthcare, it's also that our healthcare costs have no stopping of dramatic cost growth. Something needs to seriously change in the healthcare industry to make this stop and it's the sole reason for high prices.

(2) The unstated costs of all other candidates is a war heavy government. One could also ask how would they pay for it but they didn't come right out and say I am going to get us involved in X number of expensive wars.

 

[Tristan Scott]

We can absolutely afford to pay for all the programs that Sanders is proposing. That isn't the problem, the problem is that we either need a congress, and State Governors and legislatures that will go along with Sanders, which we don't have, and most likely would not have for at least another 3 or for voting cycles, if ever.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

We can absolutely afford to pay for all the programs that Sanders is proposing. That isn't the problem, the problem is that we either need a congress, and State Governors and legislatures that will go along with Sanders, which we don't have, and most likely would not have for at least another 3 or for voting cycles, if ever.

I agree. If he's President, though, he'd at least have the power to veto but I guess that gets me derailing my own thread. So let me just say it could still be less expensive to elect Sanders than other candidates.

 

[braces_for_impact]

I get that. It used to be said America could do anything. We could put a man on the moon! Universal healthcare? Money out of politics? "Free" college? Too Pie in the Sky! How you gonna pay for that!? We need slow (even glacial) incremental change! How will Bernie work with congress to get anything done!? (How will Hillary, with a congress that vehemently hates her almost as much as Obama?)

 

[Nice Squirrel]

How is Bernie going to pay for it?

He's not, but Canada will!

 

[fromderinside]

Enough with the chanting. No method for replacing insurance, price, or encouraging continued research which are benefits those entities provide beyond all other nations. No solution for inherent selfishness of Americans who are intent on pursing happiness without building infrastructure or paying for security.

These things need to be addressed before anyone actually begins signing up to free food in a new world. Unfortunately for the idealistic there is very little thought about practical problem with change that aren't just $$$$ bound.

Great. Canada will pay for it just as China will pay for it and Mexico is paying for it. When will Americans begin paying for it? They won't. They see Bernie's yellow brick road and they want it so lets go to the cheapest supplier of yellow brick roads?


If America wants this stuff Americans need to adjust to the realities having this stuff presumes. Unfortunately Americans haven't the stomach for such changes as would be required.

So lets all get thrown into the brier patch.

 

[Axulus]

I'm kind of sick of hearing that because it ignores some things.

(1) It's not just that other civilized countries have a national healthcare, it's also that our healthcare costs have no stopping of dramatic cost growth. Something needs to seriously change in the healthcare industry to make this stop and it's the sole reason for high prices.

(2) The unstated costs of all other candidates is a war heavy government. One could also ask how would they pay for it but they didn't come right out and say I am going to get us involved in X number of expensive wars.

You ignore that even Vermont, who elected Bernie, couldn't get UHC off the ground. It's dead in the water at this point in time.

 

[Derec]

Combine it with "How he gonna get his money" and you have your solution.

 

[Ford]

I'm kind of sick of hearing that because it ignores some things.

(1) It's not just that other civilized countries have a national healthcare, it's also that our healthcare costs have no stopping of dramatic cost growth. Something needs to seriously change in the healthcare industry to make this stop and it's the sole reason for high prices.

(2) The unstated costs of all other candidates is a war heavy government. One could also ask how would they pay for it but they didn't come right out and say I am going to get us involved in X number of expensive wars.

You ignore that even Vermont, who elected Bernie, couldn't get UHC off the ground. It's dead in the water at this point in time.

You ignore the fact that we have a national interstate highway system that was begun by a Republican President and has been maintained at an exorbitant cost for the last half century.

At the same time we were building this highway system, we were also rebuilding both Western Germany and Japan AND building the most ridiculously powerful military on the planet.


All at taxpayer expense.


Oh, and we gave free college to millions via the GI Bill.


The idea that we simply can't afford Bernie's mildly progressive proposals is simply bonkers. We all grew up living with government programs and tax rates that would cause any modern liberal democrat to throw up in their mouth a little, and we had money left over.

 

[Axulus]

You ignore that even Vermont, who elected Bernie, couldn't get UHC off the ground. It's dead in the water at this point in time.

You ignore the fact that we have a national interstate highway system that was begun by a Republican President and has been maintained at an exorbitant cost for the last half century.

At the same time we were building this highway system, we were also rebuilding both Western Germany and Japan AND building the most ridiculously powerful military on the planet.


All at taxpayer expense.


Oh, and we gave free college to millions via the GI Bill.


The idea that we simply can't afford Bernie's mildly progressive proposals is simply bonkers. We all grew up living with government programs and tax rates that would cause any modern liberal democrat to throw up in their mouth a little, and we had money left over.

There's a huge difference between being able to afford it and actually being willing to pay for it. The Bernie supporters in Vermont changed their tune once they were asked to contribute from their own pocketbooks.

 

[Ford]

There's a huge difference between being able to afford it and actually being willing to pay for it.

Well that's where politics comes in, isn't it?


I mean, the cost to purchase and operate a single F-22 fighter is roughly equivalent to the entire annual federal outlay for public broadcasting... all of it. Last time I checked we've got 137 F-22 fighter planes in service, but we're allegedly unable to fund another single year of public broadcasting because spending that amount of money on Sesame Street will bankrupt our nation.


We're pretty clearly being lied to about what we can afford.

 

[Tristan Scott]

There's a huge difference between being able to afford it and actually being willing to pay for it.

Well that's where politics comes in, isn't it?


I mean, the cost to purchase and operate a single F-22 fighter is roughly equivalent to the entire annual federal outlay for public broadcasting... all of it. Last time I checked we've got 137 F-22 fighter planes in service, but we're allegedly unable to fund another single year of public broadcasting because spending that amount of money on Sesame Street will bankrupt our nation.


We're pretty clearly being lied to about what we can afford.

Oh sure.

What? You gonna have the Cookie Monster fight the turrists?

 

[Elixir]

We can't afford it because the top 0.01% owns everything and they ain't lettin' go of one red cent of it!

 

[laughing dog]

Even though the resources in the US exist to pay for Bernie's programs, the political will is not there.

 

[Valjean]

Oh, and we gave free college to millions via the GI Bill.

Which returned $7.00 for every dollar invested, just from increased tax brackets, to say nothing of the other social benefits.

The idea that we simply can't afford Bernie's mildly progressive proposals is simply bonkers. We all grew up living with government programs and tax rates that would cause any modern liberal democrat to throw up in their mouth a little, and we had money left over.

This was a period of high tax brackets, low income inequality, strong unions, protectionism and regulated banks and corporations. It was also the period of America's greatest peacetime economic growth and prosperity.

You'd think Americans would want to recreate these conditions and "make America great again" -- as a certain political hopeful likes to say.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well that's where politics comes in, isn't it?


I mean, the cost to purchase and operate a single F-22 fighter is roughly equivalent to the entire annual federal outlay for public broadcasting... all of it. Last time I checked we've got 137 F-22 fighter planes in service, but we're allegedly unable to fund another single year of public broadcasting because spending that amount of money on Sesame Street will bankrupt our nation.


We're pretty clearly being lied to about what we can afford.

Oh sure.

What? You gonna have the Cookie Monster fight the turrists?

A dance off would be better than the current strategy of bombing Islamism and mistakes.

 

[bleubird]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/se...ump-the-middle-finger-and-going-single-payer/
First legal pot now UHC!

 

[coloradoatheist]

If these programs are great, why hasn't Bernie asked everyone to pitch in? Say everyone pay an extra $500 in taxes.

 

[Valjean]

If we actually did institute some of the European models of universal health care and education we could decrease taxes by $500.00.

 

[coloradoatheist]

If we actually did institute some of the European models of universal health care and education we could decrease taxes by $500.00.

Based on what belief? That nobody would get health care any more?