Singer Christina Grimmie Shot Dead - Another Victory for the Gun-Rights At All Costs Crowd

[RavenSky]

Singer Christina Grimmie, who starred in NBC's "The Voice," died early Saturday after a gunman shot her following a performance in Florida, authorities said.

A man armed with two guns walked up to the 22-year-old singer as she was signing autographs late Friday night and opened fire, Orlando police spokeswoman Wanda Ford said.

The gunman fatally shot himself after Grimmie's brother tackled him, according to authorities.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/11/entertainment/orlando-christina-grimmie-shot/

 

[Derec]

Singer Christina Grimmie, who starred in NBC's "The Voice," died early Saturday after a gunman shot her following a performance in Florida, authorities said.

A man armed with two guns walked up to the 22-year-old singer as she was signing autographs late Friday night and opened fire, Orlando police spokeswoman Wanda Ford said.

The gunman fatally shot himself after Grimmie's brother tackled him, according to authorities.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/11/entertainment/orlando-christina-grimmie-shot/

Who? Also, do we know that too lax gun laws are responsible for the shooter having a gun? Not every shooting is an example of the "gun rights at all costs".

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Thank you NRA. All the kooks can get guns now. And where were those good guys with guns anyway?

 

[repoman]

Haven't seen a name or picture of the killer, but with two guns on him maybe the cops want to have his (maybe illegal) supplier unaware of his identity.

Cynics say he must be non white or an illegal alien for his identity to be withheld.

 

[repoman]

Looks like good police work is happening and the press is keeping a lid on it. If I were the police and the man's identity were released before they approved it I would box that organization out of any press conference FOREVER.

"Voice" singer Christina Grimmie was fatally shot by a 21-year-old white male — armed with two guns and a knife — who had traveled to Orlando from another city in Florida specifically to kill her, police said Saturday.

Orlando Police Chief John Mina declined to release the name of the suspect pending further investigation, but said that he had come from another — unidentified — Florida city to kill Grimmie.

"He came here to commit this crime and had plans to travel back to where he came from," Mina said.

He said detectives were attempting to get information from the suspect's phone and had not yet established a motive for the killing. He said detectives were en route to the suspect's home city to search his residence.

Mina indicated that the suspect planned to leave Orlando by some form of public transportation, such as plane, train or bus.

"There is is no car that we are looking for," Mina said. "He did make travel arrangements to get back where he was going."

Police said the the suspect was carrying two handguns, additional ammunition and a large hunting knife.

The shooting occurred near the back of the venue around 10 p.m. while Grimmie was hosting a meet-and-greet for fans.

Mina said the gunman "approached her and opened fire, striking her."

The police chief said the club looks in the bags of concertgoers when they arrive, but does not have a metal detector.

huh, how did this guy get unless he strapped the weapons and ammo to his body in a flush manner. No metal detector and no pat downs?

Who knows, maybe he would have just waited until she came out of the club.

 

[thebeave]

Sad. Reminds me of the Rebecca Schafer murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Schaeffer

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/11/entertainment/orlando-christina-grimmie-shot/

Who?

True, she wasn't truly famous, therefore, who cares. Incredible how little you care about women who are victims of the most egregious crimes.

Also, do we know that too lax gun laws are responsible for the shooter having a gun? Not every shooting is an example of the "gun rights at all costs".

As long as the NRA is happy, I am too.

 

[Keith&Co.]

True, she wasn't truly famous, therefore, who cares.

Truly, it's not a 'gun proliferation' issue unless important white men are being shot. Or at least someone on a show important people watch...

 

[RavenSky]

True, she wasn't truly famous, therefore, who cares.

Truly, it's not a 'gun proliferation' issue unless important white men are being shot. Or at least someone on a show important people watch...

not even then...

 

[bigfield]

This tragedy is simply evidence that people in the US need more guns so that the good guys can stop the bad guys.

 

[Derec]

Truly, it's not a 'gun proliferation' issue unless important white men are being shot. Or at least someone on a show important people watch...

It's not a gun proliferation issue unless we know it had to do with gun proliferation. The OP jumped the gun in that regard.

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This tragedy is simply evidence that people in the US need more guns so that the good guys can stop the bad guys.

Well a good guy with a gun did shoot the bad guy in the end ... Too soon?

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True, she wasn't truly famous, therefore, who cares.

She wasn't really famous so why is this news more than any other of 1000s of gun homicides in the US.

Incredible how little you care about women who are victims of the most egregious crimes.

Will you give it a rest for once? If it was a male unknown singer I'd have asked the same question.

As long as the NRA is happy, I am too.

Not answering my question.

 

[RavenSky]

It's not a gun proliferation issue unless we know it had to do with gun proliferation. The OP jumped the gun in that regard.

obviously I didn't

This tragedy is simply evidence that people in the US need more guns so that the good guys can stop the bad guys.

Well a good guy with a gun did shoot the bad guy in the end ... Too soon?

It doesn't even make sense, though I get that you are trying to make a joke

 

[barbos]

I wish there was a law forbidding publishing information (name, picture etc) about killers in such cases.

 

[repoman]

Well, one thing is that in the US at least it seems like there will be a couple pictures of the guy shown and also his name then it will not be mentioned very much at all. If he was very ugly or handsome it might get a bit more coverage.

However in Japan their was an incident about 3 weeks ago of a 20 year old female singer (Mayu Tomita) stabbed by a guy who also was 27 like this Florida guy. He looks scary as fuck in the photo in the cop car - he is still alive and she just got out of a coma. He is having his name and picture plastered everywhere in Japanese media. It is disgusting.

Perhaps the fact that a couple of years ago he had his virginity lost in a porn video is adding to the luridness of the story. His dick while blurred looked super small apparently.

Unlike this Florida case, the Japanese guy sent threatening social media to the victim and the police didn't respond strongly enough.

 

[barbos]

Well, Japan is still very different (and weird) culture. But in my opinion a lot of mass shooters in US get their idea from media coverage of previous shootings. After each shooting media goes on and on about victims and shooter, making them some kind of celebrities. Shooters are just deranged individuals who think they deserve more attention than they get, and media gives them that attention after they murder bunch of people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

True, she wasn't truly famous, therefore, who cares.

She wasn't really famous so why is this news more than any other of 1000s of gun homicides in the US.

Incredible how little you care about women who are victims of the most egregious crimes.

Will you give it a rest for once? If it was a male unknown singer I'd have asked the same question.

And you would have said:

Well a good guy with a gun did shoot the bad guy in the end ... Too soon?

Doubtful. Not even bothering to call the shooter a thug, you are joking about her murder.

 

[RavenSky]

Well, one thing is that in the US at least it seems like there will be a couple pictures of the guy shown and also his name then it will not be mentioned very much at all. If he was very ugly or handsome it might get a bit more coverage.

However in Japan their was an incident about 3 weeks ago of a 20 year old female singer (Mayu Tomita) stabbed by a guy who also was 27 like this Florida guy. He looks scary as fuck in the photo in the cop car - he is still alive and she just got out of a coma. He is having his name and picture plastered everywhere in Japanese media. It is disgusting.

For this guy? Yeah, you are correct. He's white.

The other Orlando shooter? Don't worry. He will definitely have his name and photo plastered everywhere

 

[Bronzeage]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/11/entertainment/orlando-christina-grimmie-shot/

Who? Also, do we know that too lax gun laws are responsible for the shooter having a gun? Not every shooting is an example of the "gun rights at all costs".

It doesn't matter why, or how, he obtained his weapons. Nothing will be changed because of this incident.

Gun rights and freedoms come with a price, and it's a price we happily pay. There is no conceivable gun control law which could prevent the mentally ill from legally obtaining a gun, that would not also prevent a law abiding citizen from buying one. We have made the choice to sacrifice an uncertain number of people to criminals, the mentally ill, and children who find an unsecured firearm.

It's a shame that Christina had to die to pay for our gun rights, but it's inevitable. There's no point to the hand wringing. This is the way we want it.

 

[abaddon]

True, she wasn't truly famous, therefore, who cares.

She wasn't really famous so why is this news more than any other of 1000s of gun homicides in the US.

More? Any such news is bad news. This is just one possible example. To pick an example you have to pick an example. And there are no better examples because famous people are not more important than anyone else, so any example will work. It's a stupid argument to say there are other somehow 'better' examples, when all it takes is any one of them. This "why is this news?" argument only acknowledges there are a great many other examples, it doesn't succeed in dismissing the significance of this news.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I wish there was a law forbidding publishing information (name, picture etc) about killers in such cases.

I wouldn't go quite that far. What I would like to see is severe limits on how much they are allowed to report on such cases, as well as on terrorism.

One report of the facts, done as briefly and non-sensationally as possible and with no teasers. When new information is discovered they may present an update but again as minimally as possible.