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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/who-blames-the-victim.html

IF you are mugged on a midnight stroll through the park, some people will feel compassion for you, while others will admonish you for being there in the first place. If you are raped by an acquaintance after getting drunk at a party, some will be moved by your misfortune, while others will ask why you put yourself in such a situation.

What determines whether someone feels sympathy or scorn for the victim of a crime? Is it a function of political affiliation? Of gender? Of the nature of the crime?

In a recent series of studies, we found that the critical factor lies in a particular set of moral values. Our findings, published on Thursday in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, show that the more strongly you privilege loyalty, obedience and purity — as opposed to values such as care and fairness — the more likely you are to blame the victim.​

Fascinating.
 
That is very interesting and thought provoking. Especially the language that can be employed to increase empathy.
 
I hope that they didn't spend a lot of time or money on this study. They could have come to the same conclusions after just a few hours spent reading posts here!
 
Of course, I was being factitious. It is an interesting study, the finding on the language used to describe the incident is counter intuitive.
 
Again, we will this discussion that says even investigating the risk factors of getting raped/assaulted/robbed is blaming the victim. Bunch of over-emotional people here.
 
Again, we will this discussion that says even investigating the risk factors of getting raped/assaulted/robbed is blaming the victim. Bunch of over-emotional people here.

How can you even say such a thing? That you would even want to investigate risk proves you just don't care, you loyalty, obedience and purity privileging monster!
 
I don't see why it has to be either/or. (Sympathy/Scorn)
Surely we can feel compassion even for those who have nobody to blame but themselves.
 
I don't see why it has to be either/or. (Sympathy/Scorn)
Surely we can feel compassion even for those who have nobody to blame but themselves.
This explains nicely - and not surprisingly - why catholic clerics have been able to abuse and sexually prey upon children for centuries.
 
This part was especially fascinating to me:

Can anything be done to change people’s perceptions of victims and perpetrators? In another study, we explored whether nudging people to focus on perpetrators versus victims could affect people’s moral judgments. We did so by placing either the perpetrator or the victim in the subject position in a majority of sentences in descriptions of sexual assault (e.g., “Lisa was forced by Dan” versus “Dan forced Lisa”). We then asked the participants to assign percentages of blame to the victim and perpetrator.

Consistent with our previous findings, the more participants endorsed binding values, the more blame they assigned to victims and the less blame they assigned to perpetrators. But we also found that focusing their attention on the perpetrator led to reduced ratings of victim blame, victim responsibility and references to victims’ actions, whereas a focus on victims led to greater victim blaming. This was surprising: You might assume that focusing on victims elicits more sympathy for them, but our results suggest that it may have the opposite effect.

This suggests to me that the reader considers the (grammatical) subject to be the moral agent.

“Lisa was forced by Dan” - Lisa made a mistake somewhere and was attacked by a mindless predator. What could Lisa have done differently?

"Dan forced Lisa" - Dan chose to rape someone. What could Dan have done differently?
 
That is very interesting and thought provoking. Especially the language that can be employed to increase empathy.
For the victim and perhaps vengeance upon the predator. As it would also be by varying degrees peoples opinion as to whether the law should punish or those close to the victim depending on the type of crime.

Also by varying degrees is how and under what conditions a person may conduct himself in a civilized manner or not. We're all mindful of which dog to pet but when it comes to humans we tend to assume they live by the same code we do.
 
This part was especially fascinating to me:

Can anything be done to change people’s perceptions of victims and perpetrators? In another study, we explored whether nudging people to focus on perpetrators versus victims could affect people’s moral judgments. We did so by placing either the perpetrator or the victim in the subject position in a majority of sentences in descriptions of sexual assault (e.g., “Lisa was forced by Dan” versus “Dan forced Lisa”). We then asked the participants to assign percentages of blame to the victim and perpetrator.

Consistent with our previous findings, the more participants endorsed binding values, the more blame they assigned to victims and the less blame they assigned to perpetrators. But we also found that focusing their attention on the perpetrator led to reduced ratings of victim blame, victim responsibility and references to victims’ actions, whereas a focus on victims led to greater victim blaming. This was surprising: You might assume that focusing on victims elicits more sympathy for them, but our results suggest that it may have the opposite effect.

This suggests to me that the reader considers the (grammatical) subject to be the moral agent.

“Lisa was forced by Dan” - Lisa made a mistake somewhere and was attacked by a mindless predator. What could Lisa have done differently?

"Dan forced Lisa" - Dan chose to rape someone. What could Dan have done differently?

There are certain precautions someone can take, like trying to avoid solitary places where possible but the blame is still on the perpetrator for the perpetrator's actions. Many perpetrators are also opportunist and could strike at any point. The victim cannot rationally be blamed for the imbalance of the perpetrator's mind whether it was impulse or most likely the act was contemplated or even planned.
 
This part was especially fascinating to me:
Can anything be done to change people’s perceptions of victims and perpetrators? In another study, we explored whether nudging people to focus on perpetrators versus victims could affect people’s moral judgments. We did so by placing either the perpetrator or the victim in the subject position in a majority of sentences in descriptions of sexual assault (e.g., “Lisa was forced by Dan” versus “Dan forced Lisa”). We then asked the participants to assign percentages of blame to the victim and perpetrator.

Consistent with our previous findings, the more participants endorsed binding values, the more blame they assigned to victims and the less blame they assigned to perpetrators. But we also found that focusing their attention on the perpetrator led to reduced ratings of victim blame, victim responsibility and references to victims’ actions, whereas a focus on victims led to greater victim blaming. This was surprising: You might assume that focusing on victims elicits more sympathy for them, but our results suggest that it may have the opposite effect.

This suggests to me that the reader considers the (grammatical) subject to be the moral agent.

“Lisa was forced by Dan” - Lisa made a mistake somewhere and was attacked by a mindless predator. What could Lisa have done differently?

"Dan forced Lisa" - Dan chose to rape someone. What could Dan have done differently?

There are certain precautions someone can take, like trying to avoid solitary places where possible but the blame is still on the perpetrator for the perpetrator's actions. Many perpetrators are also opportunist and could strike at any point. The victim cannot rationally be blamed for the imbalance of the perpetrator's mind whether it was impulse or most likely the act was contemplated or even planned.

The questions in my post are rhetorical. I'm not at all interested in who you personally think should be blamed.
 
I accessed the actual research paper.

There are several critical things to note that make their headlines a bit of overstated hype.

First, the "binding" values are largely right-wing conservatism. They are strongly correlated with religiosity and right-wing-authoritarianism (around r = .70).

Despite this confound with authoritarianism, they did not control for authoritarianism in their analyses.

The results for the "caring/justice" values were tiny at best (accounting for less than 5% of variance in judgments of injury or responsibility) and were non-existent in half the studies indicating a chance result unlikely to replicate.

"Victim responsibility" was not a measure of victim blaming. It merely asked whether the actions of the victim played a causal in the events. So called "victim blaming" was not actually observed in terms of anyone placing majority blame on the actions of the female. People were asked to allocate 100% of the blame to the victim and the perp and only attributed an average of 17% to the victim. IOW, their variables of moral values only predicted the difference between whether you assigned about 14% versus 20% of the "blame" to the victims actions, not whether you saw the perp as primarily to blame.

Also, note that while the "binding" values had tiny relationships with how much of a minority role the victims actions played in the events, they had no relationship to any moral or legal judgments that really matter in terms of how victims get treated, namely the researchers variables of sympathy for victim, holding perp responsible, consider it a crime, willing to convct perp. Sadly, the authors relegate those latter results only to their online supplemental data and don't include it in the main paper. This is likely because those result largely take the wind out of the hype they are trying to generate and undermine the efforts to paint people as engaging in actual victim blaming in any meaningful sense.

What these tiny and inconsistent results mean is that nothing meaningful or accurate can be inferred about any person that points to actions of victims that increase their probability of being victimized. It doesn't mean they don't hold the perp as primarily to blame, or that they are any less sympathetic to the victim, or less likely to view or convict it as a crime. It doesn't mean anything about how much they value caring (no reliable effects at all), and while they are slightly more likely than random chance to place above average importance on "binding" values, you'd be wrong close to half the time if you assume that is the case.
 
From the linked article...

Our findings, published on Thursday in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, show that the more strongly you privilege loyalty, obedience and purity — as opposed to values such as care and fairness — the more likely you are to blame the victim.
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some people privilege promoting the care of others and preventing unfair behaviors. These are “individualizing values,” ... Other people privilege loyalty, obedience and purity. These are “binding values,” as they promote the cohesion of your particular group or clan.
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For example, the more strongly you identify with individualizing values, the more likely you are to be politically progressive; the more strongly you identify with binding values, the more likely you are to be politically conservative.
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Throughout, we controlled for other variables and found that it was moral values — binding values, in particular — and not political orientation, gender or religiosity that determined the results.​

I.e., the authors are claiming to have controlled for a variable that they admit is strongly correlated with the one they're studying. That's a hard thing to do well -- one variable is very likely to be a proxy for the other. The error bars on your measurements are amplified and tend to dash your hopes for statistical significance.

Be that as it may, the entire hypothesis is scientifically ill-conceived from the get-go. Telling people not to go on midnight strolls through mugger-infested parks is privileging care, not clan binding; conversely, the whole point of the authors' exercise is to reduce victim-blaming, because they see victim-blaming as bad, because victim-blaming is perceived as disloyal to victims.

The methods these "factor of morality" studies use to measure people's attachment to each moral factor are well-suited to help researchers recognize group-loyalty in their political opponents and well-suited to hinder them from seeing it in themselves and their political allies. Researchers discover they're individualistic and the other side are tribal because that's what they want to believe.
 
From the linked article...

Our findings, published on Thursday in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, show that the more strongly you privilege loyalty, obedience and purity — as opposed to values such as care and fairness — the more likely you are to blame the victim.
...
some people privilege promoting the care of others and preventing unfair behaviors. These are “individualizing values,” ... Other people privilege loyalty, obedience and purity. These are “binding values,” as they promote the cohesion of your particular group or clan.
...
For example, the more strongly you identify with individualizing values, the more likely you are to be politically progressive; the more strongly you identify with binding values, the more likely you are to be politically conservative.
...
Throughout, we controlled for other variables and found that it was moral values — binding values, in particular — and not political orientation, gender or religiosity that determined the results.​

I.e., the authors are claiming to have controlled for a variable that they admit is strongly correlated with the one they're studying. That's a hard thing to do well -- one variable is very likely to be a proxy for the other. The error bars on your measurements are amplified and tend to dash your hopes for statistical significance.

Be that as it may, the entire hypothesis is scientifically ill-conceived from the get-go. Telling people not to go on midnight strolls through mugger-infested parks is privileging care, not clan binding; conversely, the whole point of the authors' exercise is to reduce victim-blaming, because they see victim-blaming as bad, because victim-blaming is perceived as disloyal to victims.

The methods these "factor of morality" studies use to measure people's attachment to each moral factor are well-suited to help researchers recognize group-loyalty in their political opponents and well-suited to hinder them from seeing it in themselves and their political allies. Researchers discover they're individualistic and the other side are tribal because that's what they want to believe.


I agree that their labels of "binding" and "individualizing" for these categories of moral values are highly inaccurate. However, they definitely are very distinct categories.

The 5 example items they give in the paper seem validly related to their 5 sub-categories of caring, justice, authority, loyality, and purity.

(a) caring: “Compassion for those who are suffering is the most crucial virtue”;
(b) fairness: “Justice is the most important requirement for a society”;
(c) ingroup loyalty: “It is more important to be a team player than to express oneself”;
(d) authority: “If I were a soldier and disagreed with my commanding officer’s orders, I would obey anyway because that is my duty”;
(e) purity: “I would call some acts wrong on the grounds that they are unnatural.”


The big problem is that there are 25 additional items they use to measure these 5 dimensions that are not so valid and correspond more to other dimensions of political ideology. (They don't provide them, you have to go to this link to look at the full questionnaire they used)

Here are two of the items used to measure "Caring" :

"______23. One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal."

IOW, killing a chicken for dinner is immorally on par with raping, torturing, and killing children.


" ______28. It can never be right to kill a human being."


IOW, killing a person to stop them from raping, torturing, and killing children can never be morally right. There is NEVER a morally acceptable justification for war or lethal force in self defense, even when doing it to care for and protect other people.


Here is an item supposedly measuring "Loyalty":
"_____26. I am proud of my country’s history."


This is extremely subject to one's political agenda, and the accuracy of one's knowledge about the history of one's country and its larger place in history relative to political systems in general. I am not proud of many if not most military actions my country has taken in the last century. However, "My country" created a secular constitutional representative Democracy that was infinitely superior to most human societies that came before it and laid the foundation for progress in all areas that, despite its shortcomings, make it still superior in most ways to the overwhelming majority of countries on the planet. Since I take a larger and long-view of things and consider the alternatives, I would answer "Yes" to this item, despite answering "no" to most of the other items categorized as "loyalty".

If the results they found were very strong and reliable, then having some invalid items would not be a huge problem. But with the tiny and inconsistent effects they found, a couple of items on each sub-category could be what completely determine such small effects, meaning the results have no implications for the theoretical concepts (the labels like caring and loyalty) that their interpretations presume.
 
I hope that they didn't spend a lot of time or money on this study. They could have come to the same conclusions after just a few hours spent reading posts here!

The money spent on a study isn't to secure the result, it's to secure the robustness of the result.
 
I hope that they didn't spend a lot of time or money on this study. They could have come to the same conclusions after just a few hours spent reading posts here!

The money spent on a study isn't to secure the result, it's to secure the robustness of the result.

Which they did not achieve, since their results are tiny, unreliable, uninterpretable, and largely meaningless. Thus, they are actually quite similar to (and yet sadly still better than the "data" SimpleDon is using to draw the same invalid conclusions.
 
The money spent on a study isn't to secure the result, it's to secure the robustness of the result.

Which they did not achieve, since their results are tiny, unreliable, uninterpretable, and largely meaningless. Thus, they are actually quite similar to (and yet sadly still better than the "data" SimpleDon is using to draw the same invalid conclusions.

Well, I was speaking generally.
 
Of course, I was being factitious. It is an interesting study, the finding on the language used to describe the incident is counter intuitive.

Agree.

I also found it interesting that they said the differences did not correlate to religion or political ideology. I would have thought the "binding" morals would be far more prevalent among the religious and/or politically conservative

ETA: or perhaps there is a correlation as per RonBurgandy's further investigation
 
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