LordKiran
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Sadly it sets a bad precedent for the future. "If you're losing the elections, just obstruct until the pendulum swings back in your favor in a decade! Sure the nation suffers but fuck the nation, WINNING!"
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Sadly it sets a bad precedent for the future. "If you're losing the elections, just obstruct until the pendulum swings back in your favor in a decade! Sure the nation suffers but fuck the nation, WINNING!"
Jason Harvestdancer
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Here's the silver lining.
Either way this country was going to hell. With Hillary it would have been self-righteously annoying and arrogant. With Trump the road to hell will be entertaining.
Either way this country was going to hell. With Hillary it would have been self-righteously annoying and arrogant. With Trump the road to hell will be entertaining.
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With Clinton, there would still be birth control.
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I can watch football games without having to see attack ads for a little while. I expect them to ramp up again in 2 years, maybe less. Those "I'm an energy voter" political ads probably won't go away but at least they're not overtly nasty.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Absurd statements like "Trump will ban birth control" are part of the reason Trump won - too much time was wasted on absurd attacks that insult the listener instead of real attacks that tear down Trump.
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No more right-wing commentator obsession over the U6 unemployment rate.
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Who said Trump wants to ban birth control? The right-wing wants to fucking ban it. It doesn't stop at Roe v Wade.
ronburgundy
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I don't need to revise my cynical view of humanity.
LordKiran
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Being a cynic is easy
Reconciling your personal beliefs with an empathetic view of those who don't agree with you is hard.
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After reading thru Trump’s acceptance/victory speech, there is little to base any projections on. As Trump burned probably as many bridges with the Repug leadership as anything else, it will be interesting to see how well he can guide any meaningful policy changes thru Congress. He has no mandate other than to maybe give a middle finger to DC. The US stock markets recovered from their futures panic attack, even if some of the Asian markets closed with the panic. I noticed a couple minor things in the initial data. In 2012, there were about 129 million votes. It looks like there are going to be about 5 million less votes (124 million) this time, even though there are probably a small increase in voters available. Additionally, third party votes in 2012 didn’t quite get to 1.5% of the vote. Today Gary Johnson got a very high 3% for a LP candidate. Jill Stein even managed 1%. Back to no mandate. So how does a President Trump manage his Trumpster voter anger while not being able to do much of anything, but cut taxes for the upper middle class and above? There won’t be a wall. Though Trump may halt ME immigration into the US for a time, something a President probably can do unilaterally for a while. And that would be a good bone to throw to angry Trumpsters.
Domestic policy:
Will he be smarter than his words on international trade? Presidents still need Congress for deals, but an administration has the ability to stoke retaliatory fires if his agencies run amok. And the general flow and ebb of international trade could certainly turn more negative if his words stay true. Another thing I could see is more countries pivoting more towards China as a hedge, though I’m not suggesting radical changes, but an acceleration of a current trend. I could certainly see the China International Payment System (CIPS) become stronger in competition with SWIFT.
Social issues: Gay marriage is here to stay, and I don’t think Trump even cares about it. Personally, I think the fundagelicals by next spring will be feeling like they just got dumped after a one-night stand, as the stud struts around on Twitter bout how hot he was. Just how often does anyone think Trump will sit there and listen to a blowhard go on for an hour on Sunday about things he doesn’t care about? Does anything think Melania gives a fuck about fundagelicals? Abortion is a court issue, so even if he mouths the right words, it won’t matter. And even with a Scalia clone on the bench, it will remain the same with right wing states working to regulate abortion out of existence in the states they control.
On to foreign policy:
Domestic policy:
If, and I still find it a hefty if, Trump really wants to push infrastructure spending, he will find few friends within the Repugs. He would have to reach out to the Dums, even as the Repugs run each house. I would expect this to be DOA in Congress. The question is whether Trump will waste what little capital he has on fighting for it. So in the end I could see the following getting thru Congress: A modest increase in military spending. I could see a healthy bump in VA and INS/border patrol funding, again a good bone to throw angry Trumpsters. The Repugs will have a hard time not increasing VA funding as they should have under the Shrub. I can’t see big tax cuts, but maybe some tinkering for those with money. They may repeal the ACA, but I’m not sure as I can’t see them simply tossing millions off of insurance without some kind of replacement. But, hey chaos and stupidity are still options that are on the table…Trump speech said:
Will he be smarter than his words on international trade? Presidents still need Congress for deals, but an administration has the ability to stoke retaliatory fires if his agencies run amok. And the general flow and ebb of international trade could certainly turn more negative if his words stay true. Another thing I could see is more countries pivoting more towards China as a hedge, though I’m not suggesting radical changes, but an acceleration of a current trend. I could certainly see the China International Payment System (CIPS) become stronger in competition with SWIFT.
Social issues: Gay marriage is here to stay, and I don’t think Trump even cares about it. Personally, I think the fundagelicals by next spring will be feeling like they just got dumped after a one-night stand, as the stud struts around on Twitter bout how hot he was. Just how often does anyone think Trump will sit there and listen to a blowhard go on for an hour on Sunday about things he doesn’t care about? Does anything think Melania gives a fuck about fundagelicals? Abortion is a court issue, so even if he mouths the right words, it won’t matter. And even with a Scalia clone on the bench, it will remain the same with right wing states working to regulate abortion out of existence in the states they control.
On to foreign policy:
Wait and see, is about all I can say…it would be nice if the US actually pulled back from intervening at the drop of a hat, but then he’d have to piss off the warmongers and the Lockheed-Martin types. There is a lot of profit in selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to blow up Yemen et.al. Would a President Trump rebuff SA, and stop flying our military refueling tankers to help them lay waste to Yemen? Syria will be a good place to find out just what a Trump foreign policy will be. Will he send 20-30k soldiers to fight and die, or will he cut-n-run in a deal with Putin? 3 Aerospace & Defense ETF’s ITA, PPA, and XAR are up around 2.7% today in a generally flat market, so investors are initially thinking more chaos and weapons. I have no clue….which is why I really didn’t want someone who acted like a maniac to be the next president….sigh.Trump speech said:
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So what I see in Trump's speech is he wants to have a public works stimulus package to put people back to work. I guess that means something different if a Republicans comes up with it.
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He's spoken against the trade agreements, and even promised to pull out of NAFTA.
He's spoken against the big, Wall St banking conglomerates.
He's spoken against military adventurism and empire, though his stand on the use of the military has been ambiguous.
He spoke of delegating various governmental functions to competent experts.
Deporting millions of Latin Americans may force factories, growers, &c to raise wages and benefits, to attract American replacements.
He's spoken against the big, Wall St banking conglomerates.
He's spoken against military adventurism and empire, though his stand on the use of the military has been ambiguous.
He spoke of delegating various governmental functions to competent experts.
Deporting millions of Latin Americans may force factories, growers, &c to raise wages and benefits, to attract American replacements.
untermensche
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Silver lining?
Many of the people who voted for Trump will be harmed by his policies.
Many of the people who voted for Trump will be harmed by his policies.
ronburgundy
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Yeah, but they'll also be stupid enough to believe his bullshit in 4 years that somehow that was the Dems fault, and the Dems will continue to be too incompetent to counter GOP propaganda. Also, Obama policies that have helped to spur large economic improvements in the rust belt (yes all those states are doing far better than 8 years ago) are likely to continue those improvements long enough for Trump to be able to take credit for them in 4 years.
ronburgundy
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None of which he ever had or will intend to do, because it all would harm his own wealth which he has proven is all that he actually cares about.
Oh, he might privatize government functions, but not to competent experts but to make rich corporations richer.
ronburgundy
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I have plenty of empathy for their misfortunes, but that doesn't change the fact that their views about the nature of those misfortunes are objectively false or that their response to their misfortunes are destructive and immoral.
In speculating on what to expect from the new president, you might also ask what Putin would want Trump to do.
untermensche
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He's basically a corporate leader.
He thinks like a corporate leader.
The people who will have his ear will be corporate leaders.
Jason Harvestdancer
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True, you didn't say that Trump would ban birth control. You said "With Clinton, there would still be birth control" heavily implying that the Republicans seek to ban condoms and the pill.
And it is still absurd. Had democrats tried real information based arguments and attacks, they might have won. That is just uniformed scare mongering.
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You confuse "inference" with "implication". The Republicans have a demonstrated history of acting to restrict access to birth control. With Republican control of the legislative and executive branch, they do have the ability to pass and enforce legislation to accomplish those restrictions, and to either successfully reduce the resources or willpower to enforce existing laws on access.