Anti-semitic activity in the US on the rise

[repoman]

He was playing at Niemoeller

I'm not amused. This shit is bad. A cop kills an unarmed man in SC (on tape) and there is a hung jury, armed goons occupy a Federal building and threaten violence and were acquitted, documented acts of hate have gone up since Trump won the Presidency. These people were angry when a black man became President and things have been going mostly there way for a few years now... globally. This shit isn't a joke.

I would add not just an unarmed, but one who was running away (empty hands flailing and not near a waist band) and at least 5 meters distant. This is different from an unarmed man resisting or attacking a cop. Should have been an automatic conviction.

 

[repoman]

I don't think that the Jews have much to worry about in Trump's America. There's so many groups of people whom the Trumpettes hate - blacks, Mexicans, gays, atheists, etc - that they are way down the list of people that anyone would be coming for, so there's no need for them to speak out or anything.

One of the great ironies of the the holocaust and the long line of pogroms before that was that the 1965 US immigration act was greatly influenced by Jews. This was to bring in lots of other ethnicities to be that buffer and to break the white stranglehold on demographics. Before that (1952) the immigration quotas were something 150,000 Europeans, 3,000 Asians and 2,000 Africans allowed per year. Operation Wetback had also happened a few years earlier.

If I was an influential Jewish person with a Holocaust only 20 years in the past, I sure as hell would have lobbied for the same thing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm not amused. This shit is bad. A cop kills an unarmed man in SC (on tape) and there is a hung jury, armed goons occupy a Federal building and threaten violence and were acquitted, documented acts of hate have gone up since Trump won the Presidency. These people were angry when a black man became President and things have been going mostly there way for a few years now... globally. This shit isn't a joke.

Sorry, dude, but your country is actually a joke.

No, a joke would be the Canadian sub fleet. America is seeing a racist reawakening and there is nothing funny about it.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Aside from LD's garbled commentary sentence, there are several aspects to consider.

Back when Bush Jr. was launching his wars, and people were discovering that "neocon" is a bad thing, we were told that the word "neocon" was code for "Jew". Yep, the Republicans were playing the bigot card, normally reserved for Democrat pundits. Before Bush Jr, "neocon" meant "a conservative you wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in public with." The neocons weren't terribly unhappy with Obama, because he did have Hillary on his team pushing him ever forward to more war. But they don't yet have any assurance on Trump.

Also, as has been pointed out already, anti-Israel isn't synonymous with anti-Jew, even though they are treated as such.

 

[repoman]

What is the percentage of top neocons who are Jewish? That should clue you in...

A person can be so scared of being thought a bigot that they don't even see what is in front of them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Aside from LD's garbled commentary sentence, there are several aspects to consider.

Back when Bush Jr. was launching his wars, and people were discovering that "neocon" is a bad thing, we were told that the word "neocon" was code for "Jew". Yep, the Republicans were playing the bigot card, normally reserved for Democrat pundits. Before Bush Jr, "neocon" meant "a conservative you wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in public with." The neocons weren't terribly unhappy with Obama, because he did have Hillary on his team pushing him ever forward to more war. But they don't yet have any assurance on Trump.

Also, as has been pointed out already, anti-Israel isn't synonymous with anti-Jew, even though they are treated as such.

Actually, anti-Israel is almost always "anti-Jew". Being critical over specific Governmental policies of the Israeli Government is not synonymous with "anti-Jew".

Also what does Israel have to do with the recent increase in anti-Semitic behavior in the US?

 

[repoman]

Is Ralph Nader being anti-jew or anti-israel here?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Sorry, dude, but your country is actually a joke.

No, a joke would be the Canadian sub fleet. America is seeing a racist reawakening and there is nothing funny about it.

Well sure, someone getting chased around a cage by a bunch of angry lions isn't fun for the person inside of the cage. For the people outside of the cage watching it happen, however, it can be a bit of a chuckle.

Also, there's nothing wrong with the Canadian submarine fleet ... provided, of course, that you don't try to put them underneath the water ... or on top of the water ... or try and go inside them while they're in dry dock.

 

[LordKiran]

How about the US' blank check policy in regards to the Israeli state that has kept us in a state of conflict and contempt with their neighbors for decades? Or how about the subversive efforts of pro-Isreali lobbying to maintain that policy by silencing criticism of the Isreali government and waving off it's detractors as "Anti-semites"? It doesn't take much imagination to see how this plays into political correctness and then connect the dots from there.

I think there is often the mistake of mixing the issue of Israel with antisemitism. Iran is anti-Israel but the Jewish community there has parliamentary representation.

And yet the Israeli state and it's proponents here at home use PC language to mute criticisms against the state. It's not hard to see how that feeds into the far right's belief that jews control the world.

 

[LordKiran]

What I am saying is that when you tell people they can't boycott Israeli goods and that they're anti-semites for wanting to do so, that it feeds into the idea that "Jews control the world and want to stop you from speaking out!"

Ahh, so that's what causes anti-semitism. If nobody called anybody anti-semitic, then people would stop spray painting swastikas on buildings. I get it now. If Jews would shut the fuck up, there would be no problem.

I'll be honest Blastula, I'm starting to get sick of seeing your overly-reductionist responses to other people's nuanced opinions on things to the point of falsity. That is not what I wrote. Try rereading.

 

[laughing dog]

I still don't understand what it is about the current social and political climate that is emboldening these alt-right assholes and their dupes into coming out from underneath their rocks.

 

[ronburgundy]

Funny rant from Howard Stern against Roger Waters:

I wouldn't call it "funny" so much as predictably sad how ignorant and moronic Stern and his staff of imbeciles are about Israel, as he is about every topic he attempts to discuss other than how awesome the breasts are of the chick he just paid to take her top off in his studio.

His absurdly false analogy to the US and Native Americans would only be relevant if the US government was currently bombing Reservations on a daily basis.

Stern rambles on making a false equivalence between Water's opposition to the action's of the Israeli government and being generally anti-Jewish, which emphatically untrue of Waters who has Jewish grandkids, his father was killed fighting Nazis, and he has been critical of Hamas and of attacks against Israeli citizens. Waters has written extensively and given in-depth interviews about his views and position, yet Stern claims to be confused about "What is Water's problem with Jews" and "Why won't he explain his call for musicians to boycott Israel." Clearly Stern's confusion stems from his own illiteracy and stupidity and that he ain't much a reader, rather than Water's failure to clarify his views.

As for the OP, the rise of anti-antisemitism in the alt-right has nothing to do with opposing Israeli policy (which the alt-right is as ignorant of as Stern is), but is just good 'ol fashioned Christian-based white-supremacy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are you saying when someone tells someone that they should die in a gas chamber, it's because of their views on American foreign policy?

What I am saying is that when you tell people they can't boycott Israeli goods and that they're anti-semites for wanting to do so, that it feeds into the idea that "Jews control the world and want to stop you from speaking out!"

Ahh, so that's what causes anti-semitism. If nobody called anybody anti-semitic, then people would stop spray painting swastikas on buildings. I get it now. If Jews would shut the fuck up, there would be no problem.

Yup, that's the Jew's real sin: refusing to accept being second class citizens.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think there is often the mistake of mixing the issue of Israel with antisemitism. Iran is anti-Israel but the Jewish community there has parliamentary representation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran

A country that 95% of the Jews have fled is friendly to Jews????

 

[ronburgundy]

I still don't understand what it is about the current social and political climate that is emboldening these alt-right assholes and their dupes into coming out from underneath their rocks.

Bigotry fuels bigotry, and all racial identity politics is racism that fuels all forms of bigotry. The racism and bigotry of the regressive left, such as the inherently racist presumptions underlying "white privilege" arguments, not only emboldens white-supremacists to be more open and vocal, but creates additional white supremacists out of whites who have been shit on by the same system that disproportionately shits on minorities but then are told by better-off minorities and other whites that they have no right to complain about unfairness against them as people and individuals because of the color of their skin.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I think there is often the mistake of mixing the issue of Israel with antisemitism. Iran is anti-Israel but the Jewish community there has parliamentary representation.

Yeah, Holding non-Zionist views doesn't equate to being anti-Semitic. e.g. Some Orthodox Jews are also anti-Zionists.

Correct. Many Jews are not Zionist

- - - Updated - - -

I think there is often the mistake of mixing the issue of Israel with antisemitism. Iran is anti-Israel but the Jewish community there has parliamentary representation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran

A country that 95% of the Jews have fled is friendly to Jews????

Is Iran mistreating Jews nowadays?
The Iranian Jews don't think so.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy-a6934931.html

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I still don't understand what it is about the current social and political climate that is emboldening these alt-right assholes and their dupes into coming out from underneath their rocks.

Bigotry fuels bigotry, and all racial identity politics is racism that fuels all forms of bigotry. The racism and bigotry of the regressive left, such as the inherently racist presumptions underlying "white privilege" arguments, not only emboldens white-supremacists to be more open and vocal, but creates additional white supremacists out of whites who have been shit on by the same system that disproportionately shits on minorities but then are told by better-off minorities and other whites that they have no right to complain about unfairness against them as people and individuals because of the color of their skin.

Well, that's just their burden and they need to suck it up and live with it. If they just whine and complain like little babies, then they're really no better than a bunch of Asians.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I still don't understand what it is about the current social and political climate that is emboldening these alt-right assholes and their dupes into coming out from underneath their rocks.

1) Obama elected. (I remember a receptionist worried about Obama "blackifying" the nation)
2) Eric Holder as AG
3) Trayvon Martin
4) Several shootings of unarmed black people by Police being protested

Of course a good deal of this has been stoked since the creation of PC by the right-wing, welfare queens (read fat black women), and later 'identity politics'.

 

[blastula]

Ahh, so that's what causes anti-semitism. If nobody called anybody anti-semitic, then people would stop spray painting swastikas on buildings. I get it now. If Jews would shut the fuck up, there would be no problem.

I'll be honest Blastula, I'm starting to get sick of seeing your overly-reductionist responses to other people's nuanced opinions on things to the point of falsity. That is not what I wrote. Try rereading.

If I am wrong about what you mean, then the problem then is your obfuscatory language. You appear to be saying American foreign policy justifies anti-semitism. You could clear this up by clearly stating whether you think anti-semitism is ever justified or not, and then explain why you brought up American foreign policy and what it has to do with anti-semitism. If someone doesn't like American foreign policy, is it rational and justified for them to be anti-semitic? Does American foreign policy make you want to tell a random Jewish person that his kids should die in an oven?

 

[LordKiran]

I'll be honest Blastula, I'm starting to get sick of seeing your overly-reductionist responses to other people's nuanced opinions on things to the point of falsity. That is not what I wrote. Try rereading.

If I am wrong about you mean, then the problem then is your obfuscatory language. You appear to be saying American foreign policy justifies anti-semitism. You could clear this up by clearly stating whether you think anti-semitism is justified or not, and then explain what American foreign policy has to do with anti-semitism. If someone doesn't like American foreign policy, is it rational and justified for them to be anti-semitic? Does American foreign policy make you want to tell a random Jewish person that his kids should die in an oven?

Firstly, anti-semitism is not acceptable and I never said it was.

Secondly, you're skipping a step. Its the response to opposition of these policies that help stoke the fire. Maybe its not solely responsible for the rise of anti-semitism, but surely helped it grow.