So when does it stop being 'PC' and start being 'Common Decency'

[skepticalbip]

In Politically Correct maps is the Middle East not part of Asia? Because in regular maps I find online it is. But those maps may not have sufficient decency.

Well, that's extremely helpful, because Russia is also in Asia, and we all know that Russians, Chinese, and Saudis all look alike. We have a term for describing people from the Middle East, it is "Middle Eastern", not "Asians". I suppose you could say "Asians of Middle Eastern descent", but that just takes too fucking long to say.

That is your American cultural bias. For Europeans (and the article was about a European), those that are referred to as "middle Eastern" by Americans are correctly referred to as Asians.

 

[dismal]

In Politically Correct maps is the Middle East not part of Asia? Because in regular maps I find online it is. But those maps may not have sufficient decency.

Well, that's extremely helpful, because Russia is also in Asia, and we all know that Russians, Chinese, and Saudis all look alike. We have a term for describing people from the Middle East, it is "Middle Eastern", not "Asians". I suppose you could say "Asians of Middle Eastern descent", but that just takes too fucking long to say.

Fortunately, my PC map is correct enough that it marks Texas with a big, puckered sphincter, as we all know that Texas is the asshole of North America.

See next post.

 

[dismal]

Well, that's extremely helpful, because Russia is also in Asia, and we all know that Russians, Chinese, and Saudis all look alike. We have a term for describing people from the Middle East, it is "Middle Eastern", not "Asians". I suppose you could say "Asians of Middle Eastern descent", but that just takes too fucking long to say.

That is your American cultural bias. For Europeans (and the article was about a European), those that are referred to as "middle Eastern" by Americans are correctly referred to as Asians.

I have had several Indian people tell me they went to an Asian students meeting at some school and people acted like they didn't belong there. Next time I will try to explain to them it's because of the decency.

 

[Elixir]

That is your American cultural bias. For Europeans (and the article was about a European), those that are referred to as "middle Eastern" by Americans are correctly referred to as Asians.

I have had several Indian people tell me they went to an Asian students meeting at some school and people acted like they didn't belong there. Next time I will try to explain to them it's because of the decency.

They might be more receptive to the "bad maps" story. Just sayin'...

 

[KeepTalking]

Well, that's extremely helpful, because Russia is also in Asia, and we all know that Russians, Chinese, and Saudis all look alike. We have a term for describing people from the Middle East, it is "Middle Eastern", not "Asians". I suppose you could say "Asians of Middle Eastern descent", but that just takes too fucking long to say.

That is your American cultural bias. For Europeans (and the article was about a European), those that are referred to as "middle Eastern" by Americans are correctly referred to as Asians.

Is it my American cultural bias, or your (and the article's) European cultural bias that caused this miscommunication? The article was fairly poor at making the reader cognizant of what "Asian" meant, as there is no other description in the article of the men, such as name, ethnicity, or country of origin in the article to clue us in. What if the person quoted was actually from another country themselves, and actually meant "Southeast Asian" instead of "Middle Eastern Asian" and the writer of the article just assumed he meant what Europeans mean when they say "Asian". There is no way for the reader to make such a determination. Must be that PC thing causing the issue again.

 

[Rhea]

Well, it's a good thing they didn't describe them as "Asian men" then, if they were, in fact, Middle Eastern men, because Asian men and Middle Eastern men look nothing alike. It's not PC, it's just common fucking sense.

Of course, anyone actually reading the article would not come to the conclusion that the men were Middle Eastern because there is absolutely nothing in the article that indicates the men were Middle Eastern.

Maybe those in the US wouldn't get that impression but, in Europe, they properly refer to anyone from Asia as Asians. The Middle East is in Asia so Middle Easterners (as we call them in the US) are correctly called Asians by Europeans.

Hunh. When I was young, that was the "Near East". And you never said "Asian" without it (ditto "southeast Asian" etc.) For that matter, you never said "Far Eastern," because that was "Oriental," which provided a handy difference from "Soviet" in those time zones. This has led to some interesting googling.

 

[dismal]

I have had several Indian people tell me they went to an Asian students meeting at some school and people acted like they didn't belong there. Next time I will try to explain to them it's because of the decency.

They might be more receptive to the "bad maps" story. Just sayin'...

Those maps aren't "bad" they are just decency-challenged. With some sensitivity training they could probably provide a more decent view of the boundaries of Asia.

 

[laughing dog]

Well, it's a good thing they didn't describe them as "Asian men" then, if they were, in fact, Middle Eastern men, because Asian men and Middle Eastern men look nothing alike. It's not PC, it's just common fucking sense.

Of course, anyone actually reading the article would not come to the conclusion that the men were Middle Eastern because there is absolutely nothing in the article that indicates the men were Middle Eastern.

Maybe those in the US wouldn't get that impression but, in Europe, they properly refer to anyone from Asia as Asians. The Middle East is in Asia so Middle Easterners (as we call them in the US) are correctly called Asians by Europeans.

The Middle East includes Egypt which is part of Africa.

 

[skepticalbip]

That is your American cultural bias. For Europeans (and the article was about a European), those that are referred to as "middle Eastern" by Americans are correctly referred to as Asians.

Is it my American cultural bias, or your (and the article's) European cultural bias that caused this miscommunication? The article was fairly poor at making the reader cognizant of what "Asian" meant, as there is no other description in the article of the men, such as name, ethnicity, or country of origin in the article to clue us in. What if the person quoted was actually from another country themselves, and actually meant "Southeast Asian" instead of "Middle Eastern Asian" and the writer of the article just assumed he meant what Europeans mean when they say "Asian". There is no way for the reader to make such a determination. Must be that PC thing causing the issue again.

Your misunderstanding (or ignorance) of the current "hot issue" in Europe is your problem, not their problem. It was a European speaking to Europeans being reported by a European.

 

[dismal]

Is it my American cultural bias, or your (and the article's) European cultural bias that caused this miscommunication? The article was fairly poor at making the reader cognizant of what "Asian" meant, as there is no other description in the article of the men, such as name, ethnicity, or country of origin in the article to clue us in. What if the person quoted was actually from another country themselves, and actually meant "Southeast Asian" instead of "Middle Eastern Asian" and the writer of the article just assumed he meant what Europeans mean when they say "Asian". There is no way for the reader to make such a determination. Must be that PC thing causing the issue again.

Your misunderstanding of the current "hot issue" in Europe is your problem, not their problem. It was a European speaking to Europeans being reported by a European.

Americans can be so damn politically incorrect that way.

 

[skepticalbip]

Maybe those in the US wouldn't get that impression but, in Europe, they properly refer to anyone from Asia as Asians. The Middle East is in Asia so Middle Easterners (as we call them in the US) are correctly called Asians by Europeans.

The Middle East includes Egypt which is part of Africa.

Only politically, not geographically. Egyptians are not Asians, they are Africans.

 

[LordKiran]

The Middle East includes Egypt which is part of Africa.

Only politically, not geographically. Egyptians are not Asians, they are Africans.

If you're going to be technical about it, there are no Asians or Europeans as they're all part of the same continental landmass: Eurasia. Technically technically Afro-Eurasia but that depends on whether or not you think man-made canals count as separating two continents.


At the end of the day using "Asian" as a code word for "Middle Eastern" is monumentally unhelpful.

 

[dismal]

Only politically, not geographically. Egyptians are not Asians, they are Africans.

If you're going to be technical about it, there are no Asians or Europeans as they're all part of the same continental landmass: Eurasia. Technically technically Afro-Eurasia but that depends on whether or not you think man-made canals count as separating two continents.


At the end of the day using "Asian" as a code word for "Middle Eastern" is monumentally unhelpful.

Uh, no, as indecent as it may be there exists a commonly defined "Asia". Your sentence is about as accurate as saying there is no Beijing because there's a China, and/or there is no China because there's an Asia, and/or there is no Asia because there's a Eurasia.

 

[LordKiran]

If you're going to be technical about it, there are no Asians or Europeans as they're all part of the same continental landmass: Eurasia. Technically technically Afro-Eurasia but that depends on whether or not you think man-made canals count as separating two continents.


At the end of the day using "Asian" as a code word for "Middle Eastern" is monumentally unhelpful.

Uh, no, as indecent as it may be there exists a commonly defined "Asia". Your sentence is about as accurate as saying there is no Beijing because there's a China, and/or there is no China because there's an Asia, and/or there is no Asia because there's a Eurasia.

And in that commonly defined region, the middle east does not factor in anymore than Russia, or the Indian sub-continent.

You can't have it both ways, guy.

 

[KeepTalking]

Is it my American cultural bias, or your (and the article's) European cultural bias that caused this miscommunication? The article was fairly poor at making the reader cognizant of what "Asian" meant, as there is no other description in the article of the men, such as name, ethnicity, or country of origin in the article to clue us in. What if the person quoted was actually from another country themselves, and actually meant "Southeast Asian" instead of "Middle Eastern Asian" and the writer of the article just assumed he meant what Europeans mean when they say "Asian". There is no way for the reader to make such a determination. Must be that PC thing causing the issue again.

Your misunderstanding (or ignorance) of the current "hot issue" in Europe is your problem, not their problem.

1997 is current? Do tell.

It was a European speaking to Europeans being reported by a European.

How do you know he was European? His ethnicity was not mentioned in the article. Do you imagine that anyone currently living in Europe is an ethnic European?

 

[repoman]

They were mostly Pakistani in Rotherham. I think that it was a group dynamic that made it be almost all Pakistani men that were involved in THAT child grooming gang. First of all they were preying on ethnically British girls in THIS case, if one of these guys said to John Smith,"hey that 11 year old (ethnically British) girl is cute" John would have his hackles up even if he WAS a child predator. That girl is more likely to be one of his mate's kids.

John Smith may go to Cambodia and do the same thing with little girls.


OK, this thread was probably started by Derec's and Loren's use of Dindu, short for Dindu Nuffin.

The first time I heard Dindu Nuffin I laughed very hard because it was brilliantly racist, and I was mad at the stupid niggers looting at the Ferguson riots. Those niggers really were dumb pieces of shit.

 

[laughing dog]

The Middle East includes Egypt which is part of Africa.

Only politically, not geographically. Egyptians are not Asians, they are Africans.

If you agree that the term "the Middle East" does not simply refer to Asians, why are you arguing?

 

[skepticalbip]

Your misunderstanding (or ignorance) of the current "hot issue" in Europe is your problem, not their problem.

1997 is current? Do tell.

What article did you read? The one I read had a dateline of 26 August 2014.


Here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

 

[skepticalbip]

Only politically, not geographically. Egyptians are not Asians, they are Africans.

If you agree that the term "the Middle East" does not simply refer to Asians, why are you arguing?

What the fuck are you talking about?????

Is this yet another case where when your assertions are are shown to be full of shit you begin throwing out anything you can think of to distract from your original point?

 

[Trausti]

Political correctness to me is just an excuse for authoritarian-type personalities to behave in an oppressive way. In its contemporary form, it's akin to a religion. It assumes an absolute truth; it suppresses facts that are inconsistent with that truth; it ostracizes those who do not go along with it; and it tries to regulate what are acceptable speech and private and public interactions - just like the medieval Catholic Church, any communist country, and evangelicals. Though, like the swing of a pendulum, with the election of Trump I suspect the worse offenses of political correctness will wither. But it will return in some form. It always does.