Thomas II
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The funny thing is that it looks like I started this split thread, but I didn't...I wonder who did?...Floofy the wonder Floof maybe? 
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Tom Hardy's Penis, offensive or art? (Split from movie rating thread)
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The funny thing is that it looks like I started this split thread, but I didn't...I wonder who did?...Floofy the wonder Floof maybe? 
It's a mystery, but after opening this thread, I'm glad it happened. If any member wants a more in depth discussion of this sort of thing, I can give them links to forums where threads such as this take up half the first page.
Fixed! I used my wonder floof power to do it.
You must have been a bit puzzled when you saw the thread title and your name as the OP. hehe
It's a mystery, but after opening this thread, I'm glad it happened. If any member wants a more in depth discussion of this sort of thing, I can give them links to forums where threads such as this take up half the first page.
I did the thread split to remove the derail (me and another1) in the movie thread. I expected this split-off piece to die, as split derails so often do. I should have known that "penis" in the title might ensure a longer thread life. Or maybe a longer, harder thread life even.
BUT I'm fine with talking about Tom Hardy's penis all day if anyone wants to. lol
Thomas II
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Fixed! I used my wonder floof power to do it.
You must have been a bit puzzled when you saw the thread title and your name as the OP. hehe
I did the thread split to remove the derail (me and another1) in the movie thread. I expected this split-off piece to die, as split derails so often do. I should have known that "penis" in the title might ensure a longer thread life. Or maybe a longer, harder thread life even.
BUT I'm fine with talking about Tom Hardy's penis all day if anyone wants to. lol
When I was new to the old site, a thread split left me as to OP of a discussion about life size rubber sex dolls. My first thread.
Elixir
Made in America
He should have said "a more penetrating look at this sort of thing." hehe
Balls in your court, Elixir.
I did the thread split to remove the derail (me and another1) in the movie thread. I expected this split-off piece to die, as split derails so often do. I should have known that "penis" in the title might ensure a longer thread life. Or maybe a longer, harder thread life even.
BUT I'm fine with talking about Tom Hardy's penis all day if anyone wants to. lol
When I was new to the old site, a thread split left me as to OP of a discussion about life size rubber sex dolls. My first thread.
That happened to me before, but I don't remember the thread title so obviously it wasn't anything related to private parts or sex dolls. I would have remembered that.
Sounds like another1 is experiencing what women experience all the time as enforced by culture: our body parts are wicked and holy at the same time. Unfortunately, it's the belief in the vagina's wickedness that dominates that particular dichotomy in our society. It's actually useful for me to remember that although our culture doesn't condemn the penis or male sexual urges anywhere near like it does vaginas and female sexual urges, there's still plenty of conflicting and inhumane messages that shame men, too. (I'm only a feminazi when certain he-man woman haters club members wander out of their worm holes.)
...keep it hidden...
What we have here is an artificial shortage. In any realistic sense, there can't be a shortage of penises, or vaginas, or even a mystery as to their locations. Our social convention of wearing clothes has created this bizarre situation where we can have people desperate for a peek up a skirt, or upset because someone's pants are unzipped.
I have a friend who spent time in the South Pacific. He said, in the 1960's, women in Papua New Guinea would be seen shopping topless, but never in a miniskirt. Exposing their bare thighs in public was considered indecent.
I recently read about a theory (that I can't find now, but will look for it if you want me to) that the "mystery/fear of womanhood" idea was first created by women in early matriarchal societies to make it taboo for men to interfere with females and/or to gain psychological power over men through the fear of mystery. So eventually men said, "fuck this, we can beat you," and thus were born the patriarchal systems that demonize women.
Men do have it just as tough, you're right. We're on the outside. Women can conceal their vaginas.
Breasts aren't really an issue because men like small breasts nowadays. We praise women for their breasts, no matter what their size. I doubt women talk about liking small penises when they're alone and having pillow fights, or whatever it is they do. Ask a man how he feels about his breasts sometime. We're really screwed up about our bodies, man. Men are.
Men complain about vagina size all the time, but women still have less chance of a misshaped vagina being passed up by a male. Any vagina is a good vagina, according to most men. So really it isn't a disadvantage for women in that department either.
Look... I'm naturally programmed to judge the penises of other men, but not by society. I think nature programmed me to be this way.
Why does semen smell so bad? If a woman smells heavily of semen, she is less likely to be fornicated with. It is a natural signal in nature, just like the size of penises. I think it all ties together in nature, and NOT society's programming. So, I'm not being programmed.... is what I'm saying. I'm programmed to the core, but it isn't something society slipped into me while I wasn't paying attention. I haven't "developed" an unrealistic concern for penises. I just came this way.
Tom Hardy is just one of many penis actors willing to ruin it for men. Ever seen Nymphomaniac? That movie is an Apocalypse. Maybe remove Tom from the equation somehow. I don't know how those things work in a debate. Tom has done his duty, and frankly I'm tired of picturing his penis every time I write the word Tom, now. I don't want this to become permanent.
Men hide their penises for a better chance to reproduce, and when other men ruin it in movies, it is natural for rational people to tilt their heads and say hmm, why so many penises?
Thank you for addressing this very important issue with me, and understanding that this isn't about addressing my supposed issue. This involves our whole species, and it is something that could bring us all down, so sorry for seeming like it is supposed to be some big penis joke.
Breasts aren't really an issue because men like small breasts nowadays. We praise women for their breasts, no matter what their size. I doubt women talk about liking small penises when they're alone and having pillow fights, or whatever it is they do. Ask a man how he feels about his breasts sometime. We're really screwed up about our bodies, man. Men are.
Men complain about vagina size all the time, but women still have less chance of a misshaped vagina being passed up by a male. Any vagina is a good vagina, according to most men. So really it isn't a disadvantage for women in that department either.
Look... I'm naturally programmed to judge the penises of other men, but not by society. I think nature programmed me to be this way.
Why does semen smell so bad? If a woman smells heavily of semen, she is less likely to be fornicated with. It is a natural signal in nature, just like the size of penises. I think it all ties together in nature, and NOT society's programming. So, I'm not being programmed.... is what I'm saying. I'm programmed to the core, but it isn't something society slipped into me while I wasn't paying attention. I haven't "developed" an unrealistic concern for penises. I just came this way.
Tom Hardy is just one of many penis actors willing to ruin it for men. Ever seen Nymphomaniac? That movie is an Apocalypse. Maybe remove Tom from the equation somehow. I don't know how those things work in a debate. Tom has done his duty, and frankly I'm tired of picturing his penis every time I write the word Tom, now. I don't want this to become permanent.
Men hide their penises for a better chance to reproduce, and when other men ruin it in movies, it is natural for rational people to tilt their heads and say hmm, why so many penises?
Thank you for addressing this very important issue with me, and understanding that this isn't about addressing my supposed issue. This involves our whole species, and it is something that could bring us all down, so sorry for seeming like it is supposed to be some big penis joke.
I didn't say men have it "just as tough." They fucking DON'T. Your whole post seems to be just a list of bizarre, simplistic, black and white assumptions that you are pulling out of your ass and calling them "reality." I do understand where you're coming from, but that doesn't mean you are just helpless flotsam in that process. It IS on you, too. You can't change what the seven billion humans around you believe or do. That's not in your control. You're not in charge of that. No one is. But you certainly can make a commitment to question your conclusions even when it's uncomfortable. Take responsibility for the toxic shit smeared on your windshield. This applies to all of us. Some things might be worth fighting the world for, but you wouldn't know in your current understanding.
If you want to keep believing that the world is responsible for your reactions and that you yourself are static and unchangeable, be my guest. I wouldn't hesitate to metaphorically stomp the face of anyone who interferes with your right to believe that, or anything else. But your methods for developing a realistic view of the world leave much to be desired. I imagine you must feel like a prisoner in your own head.
You've been very open with me in conversations for a while now, and no matter how harsh my comments, you still seem open to engage me. That's a credit to you and I want to acknowledge that, although I suspect it could be a bit of masochism on your part.
I don't feel like you're open to actually questioning or changing anything, though, just engaging. That's fine, if we're in the mood to engage you, but you know the painful brick wall you hit so often when you try to engage others? That's you. You own that and you can change it. I don't care if you ever actually do change it. I mean, I hope you will, but it's not up to me and doesn't ruin my day if you don't. But if you engage me, I'll be like a broken record reminding you that it's you, not the world, that needs to change.
If you want to keep believing that the world is responsible for your reactions and that you yourself are static and unchangeable, be my guest. I wouldn't hesitate to metaphorically stomp the face of anyone who interferes with your right to believe that, or anything else. But your methods for developing a realistic view of the world leave much to be desired. I imagine you must feel like a prisoner in your own head.
You've been very open with me in conversations for a while now, and no matter how harsh my comments, you still seem open to engage me. That's a credit to you and I want to acknowledge that, although I suspect it could be a bit of masochism on your part.
I don't feel like you're open to actually questioning or changing anything, though, just engaging. That's fine, if we're in the mood to engage you, but you know the painful brick wall you hit so often when you try to engage others? That's you. You own that and you can change it. I don't care if you ever actually do change it. I mean, I hope you will, but it's not up to me and doesn't ruin my day if you don't. But if you engage me, I'll be like a broken record reminding you that it's you, not the world, that needs to change.
beero1000
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Matriarchies do well in hunter-gatherer cultures. The men spend their days in the forest or the field, while women maintain the camp. When the group progresses(if that is the proper word) to an agrarian culture, many things happen. One of the most significant differences is the creation of private property. Agriculture means crops must be harvested and stored for future use. Suddenly, who controls resources and who has access is a problem. This is a problem unknown to a tribe of nomads who follow where the fruit is ripe.
Private property can only be held by those who can keep other people from taking it. A matriarchy is fine for deciding who will cook and who will clean. But, for keeping bandits out of the granary, that's a job for a patriarch. The downside of putting the men in charge of everything soon became apparent. If a man can claim dirt, trees, and water, as his personal property, to do with as he sees fit, he can do the same for a woman.
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It may start with the penis. All important things you could imagine. I could pull stuff from my butt about that. Stuff is pulled from butts all the time. In fact most stuff does come from butts. And there is a current of understanding that we all tune into without knowing it, too. No state of understanding has anything to do with it, so again, I am not the issue. Becomes a theme doesn't it?
A bit of nature. What is another word to use besides nature? I don't get off on being misunderstood, if that is what you mean. If you don't understand, look again. It doesn't always mean that I, myself, am the source of whatever problem I perceive out there.
Me too, like the slip-slide psychology people bring into debates that are (like you said) black and white. I'm really giving you some good points to pick from. You think I enjoy my grammatical organization issues? I laid things to choose from, not to ponder as a whole. Pick one, ya know. People communicate the best they can, and the conformity you're always encouraging me to avoid... yeah.
As for penises, they should stay hidden. Most people would agree with that I think.
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The word 'progress' doesn't work, here. Hunter-gatherer societies didn't 'figure out agriculture because they wanted to'. Rather, it was a slow process that happened once population densities could no longer be supported by hunter-gathering alone. Communities needed, and so found, ways to accumulate more energy, faster.
Classically, women have been rooted to the household, and men to ventures outside of the household. This meant that when politics became a thing, politicians were mostly men. And because men are naturally going to look out for their own interests, early law was heavily biased against women.