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The Wrongs President Trump Will Do

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What are the three most damaging wrongs do you think President Trump will most likely do within the next four years?
EB
 
What are the three most damaging wrongs do you think President Trump will most likely do within the next four years?
EB

1)*Destroy America
2)*Kill People
3)*Appoint a fascist to SCOTUS*

*An enabling mechanism for 1&2
 
Maybe one fascist but it wouldn't be enough unless you count a big chunk of current judges as covert fascist themselves.

I was thinking in terms of more reasonable and more easily verifiable predictions. I don't know, explode the debt, actually loose more jobs, start a new and unecessary war.

I don't see that one man, be it the President, could destroy America without being first shot dead by his own secret services.

As to "kill people", I think it's a little bit to predictible. Any American president is bound to decide on the life and death of quite a few people. How many would die might be a required information here.
EB
 
Maybe one fascist but it wouldn't be enough unless you count a big chunk of current judges as covert fascist themselves.

I was thinking in terms of more reasonable and more easily verifiable predictions. I don't know, explode the debt, actually loose more jobs, start a new and unecessary war.

I don't see that one man, be it the President, could destroy America without being first shot dead by his own secret services.

As to "kill people", I think it's a little bit to predictible. Any American president is bound to decide on the life and death of quite a few people. How many would die might be a required information here.
EB

Sell off our country to corporate interests mostly. Make life harder for the poor and middle class.
 
Maybe one fascist but it wouldn't be enough unless you count a big chunk of current judges as covert fascist themselves.

I was thinking in terms of more reasonable and more easily verifiable predictions. I don't know, explode the debt, actually loose more jobs, start a new and unecessary war.

I don't see that one man, be it the President, could destroy America without being first shot dead by his own secret services.

As to "kill people", I think it's a little bit to predictible. Any American president is bound to decide on the life and death of quite a few people. How many would die might be a required information here.
EB

Okay then, I will get serious about it for one moment... I think one of the greatest harms - if not THE greatest - that he will perpetrate upon the populace is to undermine confidence/belief in science. This, in order to advance the anti-environment agenda of his gas&oil cabal. That will be damage that will not be un-done by any stroke of some future pen; it will persist for decades.
 
Hasten environmental catastrophe.

Degrade Social Services.

Economic bubbles then collapse.
 
I think that the worst he will do is debase the political process and the divide in the country to even worse levels than they are now, perhaps to even an unfixable level. He has already demonstrated that being an asshole who caters to a minority and demonizing the other side is an effective strategy and that just plain not caring about the truth isn't a negative, so this strategy is going to be emulated again and again.
 
Maybe one fascist but it wouldn't be enough unless you count a big chunk of current judges as covert fascist themselves.

I was thinking in terms of more reasonable and more easily verifiable predictions. I don't know, explode the debt, actually loose more jobs, start a new and unecessary war.

I don't see that one man, be it the President, could destroy America without being first shot dead by his own secret services.

As to "kill people", I think it's a little bit to predictible. Any American president is bound to decide on the life and death of quite a few people. How many would die might be a required information here.
EB

Sell off our country to corporate interests mostly. Make life harder for the poor and middle class.

This. I am also particularly worried about him starting a war with Iran.
 
Most of his damage will come via his appointments.

The greatest long-term damage will be the judges he appoints. While the 1 and plausibly 2 SCOTUS judges matter a lot, less discussed are the hundreds of other judges he gets to appoint to the court of Appeals and US district courts.

Other damage via appointments that will take decades to undue will be to Department of Education, CDC, Department of Energy, The National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, and other Federal Institutes that are the engine of basic scientific research in every field, and for applied research that actually seeks the most effective solutions in the public interests rather than the most profitable technologies that are marketed as effective solutions regardless of the objective reality.

Given realistic budget limitations, damage done over 4 years to these institutes will decades to correct. IOW, a future president won't be able to appoint a director who can simply double all the initiatives cut by Trump, thus getting back on track within 4 years. They would be lucky to be able to afford putting an extra 5%-10% on top of what they would have put normally toward those initiatives, meaning it could take 40-80 years to fully get back what was lost in Trumps 4 years.
 
Climate change is the most significant problem on earth, so much so you might as well write off all other concerns if this one won’t be addressed. But Trump’s contribution is to show the worst people in the country (corporatists, and everyone who cares more about economics than about the future and all life) just exactly how to get whatever it is that they want: a very direct and loud assault on truth, more-so than has been done before.
 
Did anyone get "partition Poland" yet?

That's usually where they start.
 
Hitler was a liberal? News to me.

That's because you're relying on actual facts instead of alternative facts. That was your mistake and we can look forward to you correcting this error in the future.

The curious part is that I was also under the impression that liberals were commies. Didn't Hitler hate the commies? I'm so confused. I don't think I was cut out for this post-fact world.
 
I think that the worst he will do is debase the political process and the divide in the country to even worse levels than they are now, perhaps to even an unfixable level. He has already demonstrated that being an asshole who caters to a minority and demonizing the other side is an effective strategy and that just plain not caring about the truth isn't a negative, so this strategy is going to be emulated again and again.

I disagree that division will be his greatest impact. He only got elected because their are already very deep divisions that stem from the very core incompatible values and worldviews that people have which are no more reconcilable than science and religion.
Conservatives already understood this and have for decades cast liberals as the enemy, which is in fact accurate. Liberals are the enemy of the core values of conservatives, and vice-versa. Liberals have been trying to kid themselves that "we're all one nation and the same at heart and want the same things." No, no we don't. Liberals tend to assume that its just a few bad leaders misguiding some voters who can be reached with the right message. This naive view is partly due to the liberals rose-colored view of human nature and over-emphasis on cultural and socializing influences while ignoring factors that are either innate or so ingrained at an early age that they are not changeable.

The one potential positive by-product of his election might be that more leftists and radical liberals who have been fool enough to view Hillary and the Dems as too much of an enemy to form an alliance with, will realize who the real enemy is and just how much much more "evil" they are than the "lesser of two evils" they chose not ally with and thus ensured the greater evil would win.

I actually think enough people have already learned this lesson that if the same election were somehow held today, Trump would lose the electoral college and not just the popular vote.

BTW, I used quotes around "evil" because I don't believe in evil in an absolute sense, just in that they are prone toward ideas that are anti-thetical to moral and scientific progress that is in the interests of most of humanity. As for "demonizing the other side", you cannot accurately asses Trump's words and his goals without it "demonizing" him. To the extent that demons exist in a metaphorical sense, he's it. Nothing Hillary ever said about him, demonized him as much as his own words did. That speaks to the issue that "demonizing the other side" isn't the real problem, so much as failing to recognize who are the real demons and who are less than ideal players that we shouldn't demonize but rather ally with to defeat those demons.

The divisions are real, have always been there, and cannot be repaired only masked. We need to recognize where the real core divisions are, and form alliances across more minor divisions to ensure that the segment of society that will always be ready to give into the worst aspects of their nature have as little political influence as possible.
 
What are the three most damaging wrongs do you think President Trump will most likely do within the next four years?
EB

1) Fail to resign before January 20, 2018.
2) Fail to resign before January 20, 2019.
3) Fail to resign before January 20, 2020.
 
Did anyone get "partition Poland" yet?

That's usually where they start.

You know what is even more fallacious than equating Trump to Hitler? Implying that the objective harms he will do aren't on par with Hitler, so they aren't really harms at all and are nothing to worry about.

Kind of a false in-equivalency, if you will.
 
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