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Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech

So, this brings us to another issue - the ethics of INITIATING violence against people of another political persuasion. Or,, in the most immediate example, punching a nazi in the face.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyC80feMcgUp[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyC80feMcgUp

Do people really want to go there, that it becomes acceptable to assault people for wrongthink? Don't the people advocating this know what kind of Pandora's Box they are opening up? And don't they know that calls for violence are an open admission that they've run out of arguments?
 
So, this brings us to another issue - the ethics of INITIATING violence against people of another political persuasion. Or,, in the most immediate example, punching a nazi in the face.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyC80feMcgUp[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyC80feMcgUp

Do people really want to go there, that it becomes acceptable to assault people for wrongthink? Don't the people advocating this know what kind of Pandora's Box they are opening up? And don't they know that calls for violence are an open admission that they've run out of arguments?

These are demonstration against free speech which is not really news nowadays.
 
Remember the good old days where liberals and conservatives condemned Nazi hate speech.
 
Remember the good old days where liberals and conservatives condemned Nazi hate speech.

Liberals are not people. They are ideas, ideals.

In terms of power, liberalism is about spreading it as far and wide as possible. To increase democracy to it's greatest extent.

In that, the US Constitution was a very liberal document for it's time.
 
Remember the good old days where liberals and conservatives condemned Nazi hate speech.

I thought some conservatives were pretty bad in the 1950 and 1960s

No, the in the 1920's and 1930's they got into the whole race thing and eugenics in the US.

Make America Great Again.

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Nazis want to take over the country and kill people. If you beat them up, you're a pussy, because you should be doing a lot worse.
 
Condemning it is good. Censoring it is bad.

How is your speech being censored?

What are you talking about?

There's a whole thread on what I'm talking about. The title of the thread is "Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech". If you read that thread you might figure out what I'm talking about.

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Nazis want to take over the country and kill people. If you beat them up, you're a pussy, because you should be doing a lot worse.

So you believe that assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.
 
I thought some conservatives were pretty bad in the 1950 and 1960s

No, the in the 1920's and 1930's they got into the whole race thing and eugenics in the US.

Make America Great Again.

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Nazis want to take over the country and kill people. If you beat them up, you're a pussy, because you should be doing a lot worse.

..and in the 1950s eugenics and racism were still there
 
How is your speech being censored?

What are you talking about?

There's a whole thread on what I'm talking about. The title of the thread is "Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech". If you read that thread you might figure out what I'm talking about.

I asked about YOUR speech.

Is it censored?

Or is this just some incredibly minor and temporary problem effecting in reality nobody?
 
How is your speech being censored?

What are you talking about?

There's a whole thread on what I'm talking about. The title of the thread is "Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech". If you read that thread you might figure out what I'm talking about.

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Nazis want to take over the country and kill people. If you beat them up, you're a pussy, because you should be doing a lot worse.

So you believe that assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Wanting to kill people isn't a political opinion.

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No, the in the 1920's and 1930's they got into the whole race thing and eugenics in the US.

Make America Great Again.

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Nazis want to take over the country and kill people. If you beat them up, you're a pussy, because you should be doing a lot worse.

..and in the 1950s eugenics and racism were still there

True but we didn't acknowledge we were modeling ourselves after the Nazis at that point and there was less support for it.
 
There's a whole thread on what I'm talking about. The title of the thread is "Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech". If you read that thread you might figure out what I'm talking about.

I asked about YOUR speech.

Is it censored?

Or is this just some incredibly minor and temporary problem effecting in reality nobody?

I get it. The only speech I should be concerned about is my speech. I shouldn't care at all if someone else is experiencing censorship. I shouldn't defend the rights of others.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't me. Even if I disagree with them.

So you believe that assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Wanting to kill people isn't a political opinion.

Actually ... much of politics is nothing more than who should be killed. That's why there are discussions about the death penalty, to the point where even those against the death penalty have opinions about which crimes it should cover. That's why there are discussions about going to war, against which countries, to what severity, etc. That's why there are discussions about how much force is appropriate to use against law breakers. Just because you think their opinion is monstrous doesn't mean their opinion isn't an opinion.

So again, do you believe assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.
 
I asked about YOUR speech.

Is it censored?

Or is this just some incredibly minor and temporary problem effecting in reality nobody?

I get it. The only speech I should be concerned about is my speech. I shouldn't care at all if someone else is experiencing censorship. I shouldn't defend the rights of others.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't me. Even if I disagree with them.

Tell me the name of ONE person you personally know who's speech is being censored and tell me how it is being censored.

I'm so tired of this insane right wing garbage about speech being censored.

It is total nonsense. A complete fantasy.

On the level of Obama being a secret Muslim. A non-existent "problem".
 
I asked about YOUR speech.

Is it censored?

Or is this just some incredibly minor and temporary problem effecting in reality nobody?

I get it. The only speech I should be concerned about is my speech. I shouldn't care at all if someone else is experiencing censorship. I shouldn't defend the rights of others.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't me. Even if I disagree with them.

So you believe that assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Wanting to kill people isn't a political opinion.

Actually ... much of politics is nothing more than who should be killed. That's why there are discussions about the death penalty, to the point where even those against the death penalty have opinions about which crimes it should cover. That's why there are discussions about going to war, against which countries, to what severity, etc. That's why there are discussions about how much force is appropriate to use against law breakers. Just because you think their opinion is monstrous doesn't mean their opinion isn't an opinion.

So again, do you believe assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Most of politics is NOT about killing people and further most politics does NOT match Nazism in terms of either lack of ANY kind of reasoning about the killing or number of people they'd like to have exterminated. So knock it off with the beat your wife question.
 
I get it. The only speech I should be concerned about is my speech. I shouldn't care at all if someone else is experiencing censorship. I shouldn't defend the rights of others.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't me. Even if I disagree with them.

Tell me the name of ONE person you personally know who's speech is being censored and tell me how it is being censored.

I'm so tired of this insane right wing garbage about speech being censored.

It is total nonsense. A complete fantasy.

On the level of Obama being a secret Muslim. A non-existent "problem".

If you want to harp on the secret Muslim conspiracy theory, you've got the wrong person. I never subscribed to that theory, Underseer did. He also believed in a secret weather control machine. As for the rest ...

I don't personally know Milo, but there's a whole thread about him being censored. The title of the thread is "Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech". If you read that thread you might figure out what I'm talking about.

Since I don't personally know him, I can't answer your question. It only counts if I personally know the person. I shouldn't defend the rights of strangers.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't in my immediate circle of friends. Even if I disagree with them.

I get it. The only speech I should be concerned about is my speech. I shouldn't care at all if someone else is experiencing censorship. I shouldn't defend the rights of others.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't me. Even if I disagree with them.

So you believe that assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Wanting to kill people isn't a political opinion.

Actually ... much of politics is nothing more than who should be killed. That's why there are discussions about the death penalty, to the point where even those against the death penalty have opinions about which crimes it should cover. That's why there are discussions about going to war, against which countries, to what severity, etc. That's why there are discussions about how much force is appropriate to use against law breakers. Just because you think their opinion is monstrous doesn't mean their opinion isn't an opinion.

So again, do you believe assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Most of politics is NOT about killing people and further most politics does NOT match Nazism in terms of either lack of ANY kind of reasoning about the killing or number of people they'd like to have exterminated. So knock it off with the beat your wife question.

The way you avoid the "beat your wife" question is by saying that some political opinions aren't political opinions if you don't like them. But even if you don't like them, even if you find them abhorrent, they are still political opinions.

If you advocate assaulting people who hold fascist beliefs, you are advocating assaulting people based on their political beliefs. If you advocate assaulting people who hold fascist beliefs, you are advocating assaulting people for the crime of wrongthink.

There really is no simpler way to put it. I'm not saying most Nazism matches other political philosophies in degree, but that doesn't make it not a political philosophy.

If you really want to advocate assaulting people for holding the wrong political beliefs, you should be bold enough and proud enough to say so. I just want you to know that you are going down a very dangerous path when you do so.

There are two kinds of fascists: fascists and anti-fascists. - Ennio Flaiano
 
Tell me the name of ONE person you personally know who's speech is being censored and tell me how it is being censored.

I'm so tired of this insane right wing garbage about speech being censored.

It is total nonsense. A complete fantasy.

On the level of Obama being a secret Muslim. A non-existent "problem".

If you want to harp on the secret Muslim conspiracy theory, you've got the wrong person. I never subscribed to that theory, Underseer did. He also believed in a secret weather control machine. As for the rest ...

I don't personally know Milo, but there's a whole thread about him being censored. The title of the thread is "Berkeley "liberals" contra free speech". If you read that thread you might figure out what I'm talking about.

Since I don't personally know him, I can't answer your question. It only counts if I personally know the person. I shouldn't defend the rights of strangers.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't in my immediate circle of friends. Even if I disagree with them.

I get it. The only speech I should be concerned about is my speech. I shouldn't care at all if someone else is experiencing censorship. I shouldn't defend the rights of others.

Except I aspire to be better than you in this regard, and defend the rights of people even if they aren't me. Even if I disagree with them.

So you believe that assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Wanting to kill people isn't a political opinion.

Actually ... much of politics is nothing more than who should be killed. That's why there are discussions about the death penalty, to the point where even those against the death penalty have opinions about which crimes it should cover. That's why there are discussions about going to war, against which countries, to what severity, etc. That's why there are discussions about how much force is appropriate to use against law breakers. Just because you think their opinion is monstrous doesn't mean their opinion isn't an opinion.

So again, do you believe assaulting people because they have different political opinions is a good thing? I just want to be absolutely sure.

Most of politics is NOT about killing people and further most politics does NOT match Nazism in terms of either lack of ANY kind of reasoning about the killing or number of people they'd like to have exterminated. So knock it off with the beat your wife question.

The way you avoid the "beat your wife" question is by saying that some political opinions aren't political opinions if you don't like them. But even if you don't like them, even if you find them abhorrent, they are still political opinions.

If you advocate assaulting people who hold fascist beliefs, you are advocating assaulting people based on their political beliefs. If you advocate assaulting people who hold fascist beliefs, you are advocating assaulting people for the crime of wrongthink.

There really is no simpler way to put it. I'm not saying most Nazism matches other political philosophies in degree, but that doesn't make it not a political philosophy.

If you really want to advocate assaulting people for holding the wrong political beliefs, you should be bold enough and proud enough to say so. I just want you to know that you are going down a very dangerous path when you do so.

There are two kinds of fascists: fascists and anti-fascists. - Ennio Flaiano

Your argument is filled with intellectual dishonesty and slander. I DO NOT believe in hurting someone merely for having different political opinions. So you already have AN ANSWER. End of discussion.
 
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