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Why is it so important for atheists that God does not exist?

I think that he stamp collecting analogy was the best one given. While I talk about atheism here because it's the subject matter of this forum, it rarely ever comes up in real life. My lack of belief in gods is about as important a part of my life as my lack of interest in stamp collecting - which is to say none at all.

If somebody kept harping on to me about the value of stamp collecting, I'd probably opine that it seems like a useless waste of time, the same as I do when somebody goes on about religion, but the latter gets worked into conversations by others far more than the former. While there's nothing particularly wrong with someone else wanting to spend their time as part of a silly club which doesn't interest me personally, when they start saying that others need to live by their groups' regulations then they've gone too far.
 
Religious indoctrination has caused a considerable amount of misery and unnecessary ostracism in my family. I personally lost about 15 years of precious happiness in my life because of an ill-founded belief that taking charge of my life would go against some invisible sky-daddy's will. Freeing my mind from religious cult mentality was (and remains) a process from which I expect I will never be fully recovered.

It is here that I continue to take therapy from that insanity. If a god exists I'd truly like to know about it. I'm really a searcher for truth. But if a god does exist and cares what people believe I would think it could find a better way to get its message out than to remain invisible and silent while charlatans continue to fleece "seed faith" money from poor and gullible people.

What I do know is that every version of "god" I have ever been exposed to behaves in exactly the same way it would if it didn't exist. Believing in any of these gods is supported only by inserting oneself into like-minded crowds to retain the illusion. Every version of "the afterlife" I have ever been exposed to is evidenced in the same way it would be if it did not exist. Believing in either of these is no more rational then believing in Vampires, Leprechauns, Yetis or Werewolves. Yet people believe in each of them.
 
Religious indoctrination has caused a considerable amount of misery and unnecessary ostracism in my family. I personally lost about 15 years of precious happiness in my life because of an ill-founded belief that taking charge of my life would go against some invisible sky-daddy's will. Freeing my mind from religious cult mentality was (and remains) a process from which I expect I will never be fully recovered.

I have friends that haven't recovered from their religious background. They too have a lot of strife in their families. Always the most zealous ones creating hate (and often in the name of "love", which they use manipulatively).

For an example, one friend lost her mom, years ago, but still struggles coming to terms with knowing death most probably means the person is GONE but yet she hopes for a heaven even though thinks heaven is a superstition. The cognitive dissonance tears her up, and just thinking rationally about it doesn't sort it out.

Christians may think the unfortunate thing there is her hopefulness for heaven isn't successful. But hopefulness for the fantastic is crap psychology. It's the exact opposite of wakefulness. To cope well humans need to square their ideas with reality as it visibly is, here on earth, not employ escape mechanisms. The mismatch of ideals and how reality is is the basic problem that therapy addresses. And there's Christianity offering not just "hope" but hope in phantasmagoric places located "elsewhere", and high ideals that will make people feel they fall short.

Some beliefs help a person to greater mindfulness and individuation. Other beliefs appeal to our irrational side and support mindlessness and dependency. Christian supernaturalism falls squarely in the latter.

Truth matters. It starts mattering in the early education of children, and it never stops mattering.
 
It's pretty clear that atheism helps its adherents in various ways. If they feel it does then it does. There's no point arguing against that.
As someone who was once an atheist and now am a theist, I'll take a stab at these questions as I find them interesting. Thank you for the thread.

Atheism, at least for me, was a state of not believing in God; I don't ever recall thinking whether my atheism was helping me or not.

However, does atheism help? I'll only speak here in this paragraph to the time when I was an atheist. The answer for me will be both no and yes. To explain my answer, I'll say that when I was an atheist, I relied completely on myself and took personal or professional failures hard. That's because there wasn't any comfort I could derive from an external supernatural force and so to the degree that theists are helped by praying and meditating, I wasn't at that point in time helped by my atheism. However, on the other hand, atheism does help in the sense that a person then is not concerned with what God's Will and a person feels free to exercise choices that are within the purview of his/her moral compass without looking to direction outside of himself/herself.

What I don't understand is why the atheists can't leave it at that?
There are different types of atheists: Some atheists have had negative experiences with theism in their personal life. Some atheists never believed in the first place. Atheism generally, I suppose, comprises of just a collection of individuals that are not unified by anything other than their collective disbelief in God. So, as to why can't maybe specific hardcore atheists leave theists alone as to maybe specific critiques, it is because atheists observe theists acting in a manner that they find not only sometimes strange but other times evil.

Why is it so important for them that God does not exist? Why can't God exist?
When I was an atheist, I don't know whether I would say it was important for me that God didn't exist. I frankly didn't care? And I also felt then (and still do feel) that theists themselves are generally the most prolific advertisement for atheism. And the reason I say this is because of the observable trends of bad character, bad behavior, intolerance, and anti-intellectualism that can be generally encountered in the theist population. The truth is that even if atheists would become open-minded to theism (essentially some form of spiritual agnosticism), I guarantee you that what they hear or see from theists on the Internet (the medium that acts as equalizer of good and bad voices) will generally be enough to turn them off organized religion and in real life the self-righteousness and holier-than-thou and fundamentalism in some theists (even if it's not most theists) will inevitably garner probably the same result.

Having been on both ends of the spectrum, the truth is that I many times see greater willingness in many atheists to offer compassion and stand up for those "otherized" than I see in theists (though perhaps that trend is an effect of liberalism). Regardless, this is perhaps the greatest tragedy and failure of modern theism. In modern practical application, followers of Buddha are not Buddha-like and the followers of Christ are not Christ-like and the followers of Muhammad (pbuh) are not Muhammad-like (pbuh) and the followers of Moses are not Moses-like and the followers of Hanuman are not Hanuman-like. So, the question then becomes why would an atheist be attracted to the serious moral and character failures of theists who themselves are not only not serious about being compassionate but are unwilling to stand up for those marginalized and otherized and the upsets they internalize are confined to the moments wherein their beliefs are questioned or criticized.

This phenomena is perhaps why many atheists think it is not necessary to have God in one's life to live a moral and ethical life and consequently also continue to eschew religions and even general study of religions. And also, many atheists might have received unsatisfactory answers from theists in many aspects specific to religion, which has (or might have led them) to believe that God can't or doesn't exist.

Why can't the creation of the universe be just whatever God created? Why not God?
I'd reassert that since I was an atheist then, I didn't contemplate the universe in terms of a theological perspective. So, what that essentially meant is that whether the universe was created by a force known as God was not only then not important to me but I also didn't care for religions generally to contemplate on the matter for any length of time.

The honest answer to "why not god" from my former atheist's position in terms of worldview can be summed up as a shrug and honest answer of "I don't know."

Last Thoughts: My best and sincere advice to both atheists and theists generally is to seek knowledge and imbibe wisdom from people they consider greater than themselves and travel out into the world and be the best version of themselves and live out the best lives they're capable of living as we can hopefully all agree at least that life is short.

Peace.
 
Talking about abortion is to pro-life as talking about God is to theism.

So, your god is an abortion.
Pretty much my point, there.
There ARE things one can deduce from the frequency of their participation in a topic, and there are things that are foolish projections ONTO such information, rather than supportable deductions.
 
One of the curious arguments of the religious is that Atheism is just like a religion. Just another knee jerk argument they make to score points without thinking it all the way through. Unable to refute our arguments, they try to turn them around. But there are fundamental differences between our position and theirs that make this impossible.

1. It is no leap of faith to not believe in something that is logically contradictory: God has a number of attributes that are self-contradictory, and a number of his traits contradict the world as we see it. You can't claim that atheism is faith, because religion explicitly demands that you believe the implausible, while atheism is all about not believing the implausible.
2. Religion, and with it the very concept of God, is obviously a product of cultural development. I can, and have in a variety of threads, chart the course of the development of the god concept throughout history, just as I could any other invention made by human beings. Once this is done, the artificiality of God is obvious. This is devastating to religion, as they tend to claim to be based upon an unchanging revelation.
3. We simply don't have the same emotional commitment to the idea of atheism as someone who is religious has for their religion. As I have repeatedly pointed out, religion is a deeply emotional experience, one brought about by nothing less than mind control of young children. This reversal of the argument is invalid because the same social pressures that exist to keep people in religion simply don't exist for us.
 
I've seen the "Atheism is a religion, too" arguments made as a way to silence the "Religion ruins everything" arguments.

Some have gone so far as to declare that the Big Bang and Evolution are atheism's origin mythologies, and are just as unfalsifiable as Genesis.
 
Some have gone so far as to declare that the Big Bang and Evolution are atheism's origin mythologies, and are just as unfalsifiable as Genesis.
A poster on the Skeptics Annotated Bible used to maintain that evolution was a religion.
He also got upset if anyone posted that one or more concepts within a given religion were silly or obnoxious or otherwise worthy of derision. He maintained that all religions were to be respected exactly because they were someone's religion.
The fact that his login name was 'evolutionisstupid,' meaning he was insulting 'someone's religion,' never occurred to him.
 
It's pretty clear that atheism helps its adherents in various ways. If they feel it does then it does. There's no point arguing against that.

What I don't understand is why the atheists can't leave it at that?
I generally do, especially outside of this board.

Why is it so important for them that God does not exist? Why can't God exist?
Some people have really been fucked over by religion. That tends to make people be angry about that past, and so they do/say stuff. I don’t see why that is hard to get. Personally, I don’t really care if there is a Blind Watchmaker. Some people have lost connection to families and friends as they lost their faith. That probably hurts a lot. Other people in very religious areas are bombarded at work and around town by pushy religious people. Fortunately, I don’t live in such a place, but that would really annoy me. I don’t care that you believe in whichever Christian sect you believe in, or if you believed in Allah, or followed Buddhism. If it floats your boat, go for it…

Why can't the creation of the universe be just whatever God created? Why not God?
You might as well ask ‘why can’t the moon be made of cheese?’. You can believe it if you want, but does the moon care?

Back to the ‘importance’ part. I care that my child wasn’t bombarded with fake science (ID) in his school education. It saddens me when parents refuse basic health care for their child because they believe in a Sky Beast. I want my government to try to prevent crazy people from hurting their children et.al. When someone comes to this board and wants to project their version of faith at whoever, I might pick at some of the absurdities if I feel like it. If a person of faith comes here and wants to reasonably discuss a theological point, I am sometimes interested in the exchange of ideas as I find humans to be interesting, much as I do find history interesting. When someone comes to this board and they want to pretend that the Deluge is a fact or that Job is a real life story and not a poetic morality play, then I am likely to point out that geology disagrees on the first, and that many a theologian would disagree with them on the later. If someone tries to pass off Isaiah’s (40:22) circle as a demonstration of God’s wisdom in showing how the solar system was gotten right thousands of years ago, as this is ‘factually’ a sphere somehow. Well, I will poke at such inanity. I don’t care that someone thinks this as part of their faith. But I do care that someone tries to pass off such nonsense for others to read as if it was a good evangelizing point.
 
It's pretty clear that atheism helps its adherents in various ways. If they feel it does then it does. There's no point arguing against that.

What I don't understand is why the atheists can't leave it at that?

Why is it so important for them that God does not exist? Why can't God exist?

Why can't the creation of the universe be just whatever God created? Why not God?

I only care when it is used as some sort of justification for the removal of rights, passing of unconstitutional laws, the permitting of unequal treatment, or rejection of objective facts.
Apart from that, it is just an interesting topic to discuss... like why someone thinks the world is flat, or that the moon landings and all space travel has been faked... that type of stuff... learning how people get things so terribly wrong, and why.
 
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