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He told Reuters the administration was "functioning beautifully".
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Trump went on to say that he had a "wonderful night of sex" with his wife Melenia as well. "She came three times, and I was up for over two hours, no pills. I'm the real deal." The President indicated that they swapped between oral to vaginal to anal. "We even 69'd a bit. It is amazing how she can get it all in her mouth."
 
Elixir said:
J842P said:
Eh. On the scale of 1-10, I give this somewhere on the low 2-3 in terms of severity. For fuck's sake, Reagan got the Iranians to hold on to the hostages until *after* the election was over.
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The question would be - was there any quid pro quo? The same question applies here. Without some evidence (beyond the observable fact that Putin is getting everything he ever wanted from Cheato) that promises were made, they'll probably all skate.

I think you nailed it here: Boundless arrogance coupled with "a deeply-held conviction that the world couldn't possibly dislike them more than Trump" is why Cheato is in the WH.
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What Nixon did to help himself win in 1968 was worthy of impeachment, but the way the evidence was obtained was maybe illegal or am I wrong?

Nixon feared a breakthrough at the Paris Peace talks designed to find a negotiated settlement to the Vietnam war, and he knew this would derail his campaign.

… In late October 1968 there were major concessions from Hanoi which promised to allow meaningful talks to get underway in Paris – concessions that would justify Johnson calling for a complete bombing halt of North Vietnam. This was exactly what Nixon feared.
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President Johnson had at the time a habit of recording all of his phone conversations, and newly released tapes from 1968 detailed that the FBI had “bugged” the telephones of the South Vietnamese ambassador and of Anna Chennault, one of Nixon’s aides. Based on the tapes, says Taylor for the BBC, we learn that in the time leading up to the Paris Peace talks, “Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.” \
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/

I am curious what would happen in the current day if a candidate helped to prolong a war with so many soldier deployed? the information would probably come out through an email leak instead.
 
Which is why our Intelligence Agencies were probably careful about how data was obtained, because it needs to be admissible in court, even if for an impeachment trial.
 
That this particular meeting took place at the time and location that it was solicited by Goldstone (that was a royal fuckup) shows that Trump's team was not as competent at criminality as I thought they might be.

To be better at this they should have explicitly turned down the request by email response. Then they should have met in other location a couple days later with not even a direct call between them.

If the Russians did have the emails then my guess is that Natalia brought in a small (paper only - a flash drive loading data on a laptop could leave a trace or signal even if it was immediately incinerated if Trump Tower was professionally bugged) binder showing some of the juicy emails and also just how many emails they had. As she was blathering on about adoptions Jr and others were perusing the email highlights.

She probably also had a paper about her real estate fraud client in New York at a bare minimum.

Was Jr explicitly asked about documents or only about a verbal conservation on Hannity?
 
repoman said:
That this particular meeting took place at the time and location that it was solicited by Goldstone (that was a royal fuckup) shows that Trump's team was not as competent at criminality as I thought they might be.

To be better at this they should have explicitly turned down the request by email response. Then they should have met in other location a couple days later with not even a direct call between them.

If the Russians did have the emails then my guess is that Natalia brought in a small (paper only - a flash drive loading data on a laptop could leave a trace or signal even if it was immediately incinerated if Trump Tower was professionally bugged) binder showing some of the juicy emails and also just how many emails they had. As she was blathering on about adoptions Jr and others were perusing the email highlights.

She probably also had a paper about her real estate fraud client in New York at a bare minimum.

Was Jr explicitly asked about documents or only about a verbal conservation on Hannity?
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It's clear that the only person who had a little bit of clue there was Manafort. The rest had no idea that what they were doing was not quite legal.
Also I have a suspicion that russian lawyer woman does not speak english well enough or at all.
 
barbos said:
repoman said:
That this particular meeting took place at the time and location that it was solicited by Goldstone (that was a royal fuckup) shows that Trump's team was not as competent at criminality as I thought they might be.

To be better at this they should have explicitly turned down the request by email response. Then they should have met in other location a couple days later with not even a direct call between them.

If the Russians did have the emails then my guess is that Natalia brought in a small (paper only - a flash drive loading data on a laptop could leave a trace or signal even if it was immediately incinerated if Trump Tower was professionally bugged) binder showing some of the juicy emails and also just how many emails they had. As she was blathering on about adoptions Jr and others were perusing the email highlights.

She probably also had a paper about her real estate fraud client in New York at a bare minimum.

Was Jr explicitly asked about documents or only about a verbal conservation on Hannity?
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It's clear that the only person who had a little bit of clue there was Manafort. The rest had no idea that what they were doing was not quite legal.
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I can't read Kuschner. He is either an extremely conniving white collar criminal or a fucking idiot trying to be Trump II.
Also I have a suspicion that russian lawyer woman does not speak english well enough or at all.
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That's okay, I don't believe they didn't agree to collude in order to offer Russia favors down the road.
 
barbos said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
I can't read Kuschner. He is either an extremely conniving white collar criminal or a fucking idiot trying to be Trump II.
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The latter, it was established.. He is a good match for Trump family.
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He was the one who directed his dad's campaign to focus on the rust belt. Not so dumb.

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Jimmy Higgins said:
Trausti said:
He was the one who directed his dad's campaign to focus on the rust belt. Not so dumb.
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He didn't delete an email that implicates him in a conspiracy to collude with foreign agents in an election. Not so bright.
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I meant his father-in-law. And for Jr., how is there collusion if nothing becomes of the meeting? Wasn't the original hysteria over hacked emails? Has the desperate narrative moved on to even more flimsy conjectures?
 
Trausti said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
He didn't delete an email that implicates him in a conspiracy to collude with foreign agents in an election. Not so bright.
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I meant his father-in-law. And for Jr., how is there collusion if nothing becomes of the meeting? Wasn't the original hysteria over hacked emails? Has the desperate narrative moved on to even more flimsy conjectures?
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I know, I know. Emails stolen, meeting between Russian and Trump Campaign regarding good intel, emails leaked. How much more flimsy can you get?!
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trausti said:
I meant his father-in-law. And for Jr., how is there collusion if nothing becomes of the meeting? Wasn't the original hysteria over hacked emails? Has the desperate narrative moved on to even more flimsy conjectures?
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I know, I know. Emails stolen, meeting between Russian and Trump Campaign regarding good intel, emails leaked. How much more flimsy can you get?!
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Oh, I missed that. Could you spare a link on the Trump campaign's involvement in the leaking of DNC and Podesta emails? It's been, what, nearly nine months since the election? Surely evidence of that has come out.
 
Trausti said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
I know, I know. Emails stolen, meeting between Russian and Trump Campaign regarding good intel, emails leaked. How much more flimsy can you get?!
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Oh, I missed that. Could you spare a link on the Trump campaign's involvement in the leaking of DNC and Podesta emails? It's been, what, nearly nine months since the election? Surely evidence of that has come out.
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That'd be in the meeting between Russian and Trump campaign. Remember that? It was just in the...

Oh wait,.. you believed Donnie Jr? :D
 
barbos said:
Trausti said:
Compared to whom? I'd wager they're both more successful than anyone spending their days posting on this forum.
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successful!=intelligent
And I am not even sure any of these people are independently successful.
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Americans do seem to have this bizarre idea that rich=successful=intelligent; That somehow by inheriting a fortune from your great grandfather, your IQ is instantly raised by 80 points.

The reality that wealth is generally an indicator of good luck, that success need not include conspicuous wealth, and that intelligence might well lead one to the realization that wealth beyond a certain (rather low) bar is futile, never seems to occur to them.

Frankly, I see anyone who has more millions than he has children as either a lucky bastard who did nothing to earn it; or a fucking idiot who has wasted his life earning more than he could possibly ever sensibly spend.
 
Trausti said:
I'd wager they're both more successful than anyone spending their days posting on this forum.
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Depends how you measure "success". I don't know of anyone other than Trump Sr. who received a 9-digit inheritance, and still had to resort to fraud and mob connections to keep him afloat. I'd call him an utter FAIL of unpresidented proportion.
 
Elixir said:
Trausti said:
I'd wager they're both more successful than anyone spending their days posting on this forum.
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Depends how you measure "success". I don't know of anyone other than Trump Sr. who received a 9-digit inheritance, and still had to resort to fraud and mob connections to keep him afloat. I'd call him an utter FAIL of unpresidented proportion.
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Nicely put - but what are we to make of working people who could dream of supporting such a person? Like Brexit and the climate it suggests that humanity has been seized by a death-wish!
 
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