Latest Islamic terrorist attack

[Derec]

‘Bucket Bomb’ Strikes London’s Vulnerable Underground

Luckily the device doesn't seem to have detonated properly, resulting in a smaller explosion, that still injured a lot of people.
Isis claims responsibility for London bombing attack
ISIS claimed responsibility. And what does the first letter stand for again? Irish? Italian? International? Israeli? Iberian? Oh, wait, I remember now. It's Islamic. You know, the religion that supposedly has nothing to do with terrorism.

I don't know why EU sprung for a 4 digit counter. Only one of the digits has ever been used ...

What brave measures will Sadiq Khan implement now? Even tougher restrictions on displaying unveiled women in advertisements in tube stations perhaps? Or insisting even more vociferously that Islamic terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city? Or welcoming even more "refugees"?

 

[untermensche]

Yes.

It is all the same thing.

Because these Muslims are all the same thing. Even if they hate one another they are the same thing.

No need for any nuance or understanding.

In the good ol' USA.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Yes.

It is all the same thing.

Because these Muslims are all the same thing. Even if they hate one another they are the same thing.

No need for any nuance or understanding.

In the good ol' USA.

Of course just a few in thousands of citizens but we do have a security issue in the UK since Blair, Bush and others of their ilk turned the Middle East into a sewer for ISIS and others to breed. ISIS also kill a considerable amount of Muslims in the Middle East.

 

[Derec]

Yes.
It is all the same thing.
Because these Muslims are all the same thing. Even if they hate one another they are the same thing.

I never claimed they were all the same thing. In fact, I frequently argued the opposite.
It is a fact, however, that when you have large quantities of Muslim migrants come in without any restrictions or vetting, that many radical Muslims are going to come in as well, with predictable results.
Especially when a large numbers of these migrants come from countries and societies where particularly toxic forms of Islam are prevalent - for example Somalia, Afghanistan or Pakistan. UK especially has a huge problem with their large Pakistani population. Anjem Choudary, who makes no bones about seeking to overthrow the UK government and install an Islamic theocracy, is a Pakistani, for example.

No need for any nuance or understanding.

There is in general a need for nuance, but when politicians bend over backwards to deny links between Islam and Islamic terrorism, or when spineless politicians like David Cameron say that Brits should integrate into Pakistani way of life and not vice versa, then perhaps more forceful language is needed to counter such nonsense.

 

[LordKiran]

Derec: Able to pick a trend out of terror attacks but somehow not able to pick a trend out of cops murdering people and getting away with it.

You can't have it both ways, brah. Do multiple isolated incidents make a trend or don't they?

 

[RavenSky]

Of course just a few in thousands of citizens but we do have a security issue in the UK since Blair, Bush and others of their ilk turned the Middle East into a sewer for ISIS and others to breed. ISIS also kill a considerable amount of Muslims in the Middle East.

Now now Whichy... you mustn't blame Bush/Blair. You must blame Mayor Khan! [/sarcasm]

 

[untermensche]

Yes.

It is all the same thing.

Because these Muslims are all the same thing. Even if they hate one another they are the same thing.

No need for any nuance or understanding.

In the good ol' USA.

Of course just a few in thousands of citizens but we do have a security issue in the UK since Blair, Bush and others of their ilk turned the Middle East into a sewer for ISIS and others to breed. ISIS also kill a considerable amount of Muslims in the Middle East.

Yes. This is part of being nuanced.

All violence from ISIS is blowback for crimes against humanity committed against a Muslim nation. Ultimate responsibility for all crimes committed by ISIS rests with the US. The US terrorist attack and regime of torture created ISIS.

To merely call it "Islamic terrorism" as if it arose because Muslims exist is ignorance

 

[sharon45]

To merely call it "Islamic terrorism" as if it arose because Muslims exist is ignorance

Who here is making this case?

 

[untermensche]

To merely call it "Islamic terrorism" as if it arose because Muslims exist is ignorance

Who here is making this case?

That sounds like something you could figure out yourself.

This entire thread reeks of such ignorance.

What exactly are we supposed to be counting?

 

[sharon45]

Who here is making this case?

That sounds like something you could figure out yourself.

This entire thread reeks of such ignorance.

What exactly are we supposed to be counting?

Well, at least many outright dismiss them as to not even being Muslim or following Islam.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Of course just a few in thousands of citizens but we do have a security issue in the UK since Blair, Bush and others of their ilk turned the Middle East into a sewer for ISIS and others to breed. ISIS also kill a considerable amount of Muslims in the Middle East.

Now now Whichy... you mustn't blame Bush/Blair. You must blame Mayor Khan! [/sarcasm]

Blair and Bush of course for building sewer for extremists. Regime change means replacing something bad with something worse.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course just a few in thousands of citizens but we do have a security issue in the UK since Blair, Bush and others of their ilk turned the Middle East into a sewer for ISIS and others to breed. ISIS also kill a considerable amount of Muslims in the Middle East.

Yes. This is part of being nuanced.

All violence from ISIS is blowback for crimes against humanity committed against a Muslim nation. Ultimate responsibility for all crimes committed by ISIS rests with the US. The US terrorist attack and regime of torture created ISIS.

To merely call it "Islamic terrorism" as if it arose because Muslims exist is ignorance

Alternately, all violence against Muslim nations is blowback for their centuries of conquest.

 

[untermensche]

Yes. This is part of being nuanced.

All violence from ISIS is blowback for crimes against humanity committed against a Muslim nation. Ultimate responsibility for all crimes committed by ISIS rests with the US. The US terrorist attack and regime of torture created ISIS.

To merely call it "Islamic terrorism" as if it arose because Muslims exist is ignorance

Alternately, all violence against Muslim nations is blowback for their centuries of conquest.

The US terrorist attack of Iraq was in 2003.

And ISIS arose DIRECTLY because of it.

It's early military leadership were former Iraqi officers. Without the US terrorist attack and regime of torture those officers would not have been there and ISIS never would have grown into anything of substance.

Go ahead, connect the dots in your absurd nonsense.

All US trouble in the ME is because the US is interfering and destroying lives.

For oil profits.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Alternately, all violence against Muslim nations is blowback for their centuries of conquest.

The US terrorist attack of Iraq was in 2003.

And ISIS arose DIRECTLY because of it.

It's early military leadership were former Iraqi officers. Without the US terrorist attack and regime of torture those officers would not have been there and ISIS never would have grown into anything of substance.

Go ahead, connect the dots in your absurd nonsense.

All US trouble in the ME is because the US is interfering and destroying lives.

For oil profits.

You're not looking nearly far enough back.

 

[angelo]

Alternately, all violence against Muslim nations is blowback for their centuries of conquest.

The US terrorist attack of Iraq was in 2003.

And ISIS arose DIRECTLY because of it.

It's early military leadership were former Iraqi officers. Without the US terrorist attack and regime of torture those officers would not have been there and ISIS never would have grown into anything of substance.

Go ahead, connect the dots in your absurd nonsense.

All US trouble in the ME is because the US is interfering and destroying lives.

For oil profits.

I suppose the US is responsible for the Muslim conquest of practically all of the Middle East, Indonesia and North Africa!

 

[untermensche]

The US terrorist attack of Iraq was in 2003.

And ISIS arose DIRECTLY because of it.

It's early military leadership were former Iraqi officers. Without the US terrorist attack and regime of torture those officers would not have been there and ISIS never would have grown into anything of substance.

Go ahead, connect the dots in your absurd nonsense.

All US trouble in the ME is because the US is interfering and destroying lives.

For oil profits.

You're not looking nearly far enough back.

I said, go ahead, connect the dots.

Your claims that there is some connection are laughably ignorant.

I suppose the US is responsible for the Muslim conquest of practically all of the Middle East, Indonesia and North Africa!

The US is responsible for what it does.

It's responsible for an unnecessary and immoral terrorist attack of a Muslim nation. An unproved beginning of hostilities.

It's responsible for a decade long regime of torture of Muslims in Iraq. Random torture in the hopes it brings intelligence. One is completely lost and devoid of any human empathy if one can shrug widespread torture of innocents off with the wave of a hand.

The US is responsible for disbanding the Iraqi military and sending it's top officers into the hands of ISIS.

And since US crimes are responsible for turning ISIS into something dangerous, supplying ISIS with military leaders and weapons, the US is DIRECTLY responsible for all crimes committed by ISIS.

A responsibility the US shirks like a coward.

 

[iolo]

Yes. This is part of being nuanced.

All violence from ISIS is blowback for crimes against humanity committed against a Muslim nation. Ultimate responsibility for all crimes committed by ISIS rests with the US. The US terrorist attack and regime of torture created ISIS.

To merely call it "Islamic terrorism" as if it arose because Muslims exist is ignorance

Alternately, all violence against Muslim nations is blowback for their centuries of conquest.

Thank God Christians never went in for such wicked activities!

 

[OLDMAN]

You can't be a Muslim extremist without the Muslim religion. Let's say that out of the 1.1 billion Muslims in the world, only 1% are extremist or their supporters. Do the math.
There is nothing in that religion or any other that is now needed to let people live good, healthy lives in the modern age. It is simply our failure to provide a path for people to do so.

 

[iolo]

You can't be a Muslim extremist without the Muslim religion. Let's say that out of the 1.1 billion Muslims in the world, only 1% are extremist or their supporters. Do the math.

It's a bit like American 'Christians' - matter of who does the defining!

 

[OLDMAN]

You can't be a Muslim extremist without the Muslim religion. Let's say that out of the 1.1 billion Muslims in the world, only 1% are extremist or their supporters. Do the math.

It's a bit like American 'Christians' - matter of who does the defining!

This is an atheist webpage, so yes that would be the point. We had 1000 years of Christian rule in Europe. Still refer to it as the dark ages.