White terrorist shoots at random people on the street

[Underseer]

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ra...om-black-man-after-passing-him-on-the-street/

Since we all agree that the logic of conservative arguments is completely valid, we can and should judge all white people by what this person did. Therefore all white people are terrorists, but we are not allowed to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists because of political correctness. FOX News won't give me my own show to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists, because they are attacking my free speech rights for the crime of expressing opinions that are not politically correct.

Some day, I hope to get my free speech rights back.

 

[LordKiran]

Man shoots at people, gets arrested, will likely be sent to prison. Move along, nothing to see here. Revive this thread if he walks and not before.

 

[fast]

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ra...om-black-man-after-passing-him-on-the-street/

Since we all agree that the logic of conservative arguments is completely valid, we can and should judge all white people by what this person did. Therefore all white people are terrorists, but we are not allowed to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists because of political correctness. FOX News won't give me my own show to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists, because they are attacking my free speech rights for the crime of expressing opinions that are not politically correct.

Some day, I hope to get my free speech rights back.

Oh boy, here I go:

1) He's not a terrorist.
2) The shooting wasn't random.
3) He shot at only one person.
4) It wasn't a hate crime
5) He's not a racist.

 

[Underseer]

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ra...om-black-man-after-passing-him-on-the-street/

Since we all agree that the logic of conservative arguments is completely valid, we can and should judge all white people by what this person did. Therefore all white people are terrorists, but we are not allowed to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists because of political correctness. FOX News won't give me my own show to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists, because they are attacking my free speech rights for the crime of expressing opinions that are not politically correct.

Some day, I hope to get my free speech rights back.

Oh boy, here I go:

1) He's not a terrorist.
2) The shooting wasn't random.
3) He shot at only one person.
4) It wasn't a hate crime
5) He's not a racist.

Typical excuses we expect from a white-lover. Your just don't that because you love terrorism and hate America!

 

[LordKiran]

Oh boy, here I go:

1) He's not a terrorist.
2) The shooting wasn't random.
3) He shot at only one person.
4) It wasn't a hate crime
5) He's not a racist.

Typical excuses we expect from a white-lover. Your just don't that because you love terrorism and hate America!

Now that's just unnecessary.

 

[Vork]

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ra...om-black-man-after-passing-him-on-the-street/

Since we all agree that the logic of conservative arguments is completely valid, we can and should judge all white people by what this person did. Therefore all white people are terrorists, but we are not allowed to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists because of political correctness. FOX News won't give me my own show to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists, because they are attacking my free speech rights for the crime of expressing opinions that are not politically correct.

Some day, I hope to get my free speech rights back.

I'm guessing you are trying to make a link to Islamic terrorism so...

No even halfway sensible conservative would ever argue, "Look at this terror attack in the name of Islam! All Muslims are terrorists!".

The real argument would be something more along the lines that there is a *link* between the Islamic religion and terrorism. There is a link between smoking and cancer. That doesn't mean that every smoker will develop cancer, but they have an increased risk. Now of course smoking tobacco isn't an exact parallel to an ideology (or group of ideologies which can vary in their nature) but the basic point is still there-- The religion could be linked to terrorism without saying that every believer is personally a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer.

I would also point out, that conservatives don't (or certainly shouldn't) deny that Islam is a "religion of peace" just because of some terrorist attacks in its name. Rather, it's after looking at things like the quran, the hadith and other early Muslim sources, the behaviour of the original/early Muslims, the bahaviour of Muslims historically, and how mainstream traditional forms of Islam codified their teachings, that the conclusion is reached that Islam isn't the "religion of peace" that many liberals and many mainstream conservatives like to pretend. But again, this says little about, "all Muslims", as if they were all signed up to wage violent jihad today. Thing is, is that you don't need to have "all Muslims" being violent, to have a major problem with Islamic violence in the world.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

"A Wisconsin man has been charged with a hate crime for firing a gun and yelling racial slurs at a passerby."

He's a racist scumbag and as far as I can see, this is indeed terrorism and hate crime. He'll do time and has certainly screwed up his life.
He is going to love prison.

 

[Underseer]

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ra...om-black-man-after-passing-him-on-the-street/

Since we all agree that the logic of conservative arguments is completely valid, we can and should judge all white people by what this person did. Therefore all white people are terrorists, but we are not allowed to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists because of political correctness. FOX News won't give me my own show to talk about the fact that all white people are terrorists, because they are attacking my free speech rights for the crime of expressing opinions that are not politically correct.

Some day, I hope to get my free speech rights back.

I'm guessing you are trying to make a link to Islamic terrorism so...

No even halfway sensible conservative would ever argue, "Look at this terror attack in the name of Islam! All Muslims are terrorists!".

The real argument would be something more along the lines that there is a *link* between the Islamic religion and terrorism. There is a link between smoking and cancer. That doesn't mean that every smoker will develop cancer, but they have an increased risk. Now of course smoking tobacco isn't an exact parallel to an ideology (or group of ideologies which can vary in their nature) but the basic point is still there-- The religion could be linked to terrorism without saying that every believer is personally a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer.

I would also point out, that conservatives don't (or certainly shouldn't) deny that Islam is a "religion of peace" just because of some terrorist attacks in its name. Rather, it's after looking at things like the quran, the hadith and other early Muslim sources, the behaviour of the original/early Muslims, the bahaviour of Muslims historically, and how mainstream traditional forms of Islam codified their teachings, that the conclusion is reached that Islam isn't the "religion of peace" that many liberals and many mainstream conservatives like to pretend. But again, this says little about, "all Muslims", as if they were all signed up to wage violent jihad today. Thing is, is that you don't need to have "all Muslims" being violent, to have a major problem with Islamic violence in the world.

I'm terribly sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Very well. Then there is an ideological link between white people and terrorism, and it is not correct to say that all white people are terrorists.

#notallwhitepeople

There, was I politically correct enough?

Here we go:

https://www.snopes.com/2017/08/16/d...g-liberal-protesters-getting-pushed-way-cars/

FOX News posted a video celebrating white people running over protesters who disagree with them. This is how the shapers of white ideology indoctrinate white people into murdering people who disagree with them. Therefore, there is an ideological link between white people and terrorism, but #notallwhitepeople.

Are you happy now, or are your feelings still hurt? Was I politically correct enough? Because I'll be honest, I don't recall people like you being particularly concerned about political correctness when making statements like this, but whatever.

I notice that in your entire lengthy post, you never actually used the phrase "white terrorism."

How are we supposed to solve this problem if you won't even admit what the problem is?

Why is it so hard for you to say "white terrorist"?

 

[fast]

Vork,

That was just underseer's way of saying welcome to the forum.

Welcome.

 

[Underseer]

Vork,

That was just underseer's way of saying welcome to the forum.

Welcome.

He won't use the phrase "white terorism," therefore he is definitely with the terrorists.

Hey, this logic was completely valid when conservatives used it. Why isn't it valid when I make the same arguments?

Also, why are you attacking my free speech rights?

 

[Underseer]

Typical excuses we expect from a white-lover. Your just don't that because you love terrorism and hate America!

Now that's just unnecessary.

So you don't actually deny that you're a white-lover and a terrorist. Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

 

[Trausti]

Now that's just unnecessary.

So you don't actually deny that you're a white-lover and a terrorist. Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

"white-lover"??? What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Vork]

Vork,

That was just underseer's way of saying welcome to the forum.

Welcome.

OK thank you.

 

[Vork]

I'm guessing you are trying to make a link to Islamic terrorism so...

No even halfway sensible conservative would ever argue, "Look at this terror attack in the name of Islam! All Muslims are terrorists!".

The real argument would be something more along the lines that there is a *link* between the Islamic religion and terrorism. There is a link between smoking and cancer. That doesn't mean that every smoker will develop cancer, but they have an increased risk. Now of course smoking tobacco isn't an exact parallel to an ideology (or group of ideologies which can vary in their nature) but the basic point is still there-- The religion could be linked to terrorism without saying that every believer is personally a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer.

I would also point out, that conservatives don't (or certainly shouldn't) deny that Islam is a "religion of peace" just because of some terrorist attacks in its name. Rather, it's after looking at things like the quran, the hadith and other early Muslim sources, the behaviour of the original/early Muslims, the bahaviour of Muslims historically, and how mainstream traditional forms of Islam codified their teachings, that the conclusion is reached that Islam isn't the "religion of peace" that many liberals and many mainstream conservatives like to pretend. But again, this says little about, "all Muslims", as if they were all signed up to wage violent jihad today. Thing is, is that you don't need to have "all Muslims" being violent, to have a major problem with Islamic violence in the world.

I'm terribly sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Very well. Then there is an ideological link between white people and terrorism, and it is not correct to say that all white people are terrorists.

#notallwhitepeople

There, was I politically correct enough?

Here we go:

https://www.snopes.com/2017/08/16/d...g-liberal-protesters-getting-pushed-way-cars/

FOX News posted a video celebrating white people running over protesters who disagree with them. This is how the shapers of white ideology indoctrinate white people into murdering people who disagree with them. Therefore, there is an ideological link between white people and terrorism, but #notallwhitepeople.

Are you happy now, or are your feelings still hurt? Was I politically correct enough? Because I'll be honest, I don't recall people like you being particularly concerned about political correctness when making statements like this, but whatever.

I notice that in your entire lengthy post, you never actually used the phrase "white terrorism."

How are we supposed to solve this problem if you won't even admit what the problem is?

Why is it so hard for you to say "white terrorist"?

You don't have any actual evidence for a, "ideological link between white people and terrorism". "White people" isn't even an ideology. But let's say you could come up with a real ideology, linked to a certain group of white people, or all white people, that was actually linked to terrorism-- so what? That would disprove any claim about Islam?

But look, if you just want to play in the sandbox by yourself, pretending in your own mind that you are "refuting conservatives"...

 

[Vork]

Vork,

That was just underseer's way of saying welcome to the forum.

Welcome.

He won't use the phrase "white terorism," therefore he is definitely with the terrorists.

Hey, this logic was completely valid when conservatives used it. Why isn't it valid when I make the same arguments?

Also, why are you attacking my free speech rights?

Just because you claim to have a parallel argument, doesn't mean you have a genuine parallel argument.

If the Islamic religion is indeed fueling terrorism, then that fact needs to be honestly faced. You shouldn't cover up the Islamic side of it.

Same as, if there genuinely were an ideology tied up with white people, or some white people, that was fueling terrorism, then that fact would also need to be honestly faced. You shouldn't cover up the ideological nature of it, or indeed the fact that the ideology in question was an issue for only white people or some white people. I doubt "white terrorism" would be the correct term however. You would want something more specific to the ideology. As it happens, I'm pretty sure the media will sometimes warn of the risk of "far-right terrorism" in the (for the most part) white community. And they can do that, without people rushing in to act as apologists in the media and saying things like, "the right-wing movement is a movement of peace", "Violence doesn't represent the real right-wingers". So "white" ideology is open to criticism in the media. You could definitely speak of "far-right terrorism" or "white nationalist terrorism". You should certainly be able to speak of, "Islamist terrorism" or "radical Islamic terrorism". Also note, that if someone on the far-right does carry out an act of terrorism, it isn't just the far-right movement that can get criticized. It's entirely possible that there may also be criticism of the rhetoric and values of mainstream conservatives at the same time. (As if they are a part of the problem that fuels the extreme end.) So the wider ideology is open to question. Why shouldn't the wider Islamic religion be open to question when Islamist radicals blow things up?

 

[Underseer]

So you don't actually deny that you're a white-lover and a terrorist. Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

"white-lover"??? What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm just using reductio ad absurdum. Since it is fine when conservatives use these arguments, there is nothing wrong with me using these arguments. And yes, I have been called "Muslim lover" and other things by conservatives, I'm pretty sure on these forums, although I could be wrong about that.

Now, why don't you tell everyone why you refuse to use the phrase "white terrorist"?

How are we ever supposed to do something about this problem when I'm not even allowed to talk about it nor identify the source of the problem?

Just say it. Actually say the phrase "white terrorist" instead of using political correctness to attack my free speech rights.

 

[Trausti]

"white-lover"??? What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm just using reductio ad absurdum. Since it is fine when conservatives use these arguments, there is nothing wrong with me using these arguments. And yes, I have been called "Muslim lover" and other things by conservatives, I'm pretty sure on these forums, although I could be wrong about that.

Now, why don't you tell everyone why you refuse to use the phrase "white terrorist"?

How are we ever supposed to do something about this problem when I'm not even allowed to talk about it nor identify the source of the problem?

Just say it. Actually say the phrase "white terrorist" instead of using political correctness to attack my free speech rights.

White people can commit terrorism, sure. See Timothy McVeigh, the Weather Underground, etc. But it's not the White part. It's the ideology part. Muslim is not a race. Islam is a religious ideology that's been around for a little more than 1400 years. That's why people don't say "Arab" terrorist. Lots of Arabs are not Muslims. Conflating Muslim to mean Arab or any other racial/ethnic group is just ignorant. But I know none of this matters to you. You just hate White people.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I'm just using reductio ad absurdum. Since it is fine when conservatives use these arguments, there is nothing wrong with me using these arguments. And yes, I have been called "Muslim lover" and other things by conservatives, I'm pretty sure on these forums, although I could be wrong about that.

Now, why don't you tell everyone why you refuse to use the phrase "white terrorist"?

How are we ever supposed to do something about this problem when I'm not even allowed to talk about it nor identify the source of the problem?

Just say it. Actually say the phrase "white terrorist" instead of using political correctness to attack my free speech rights.

White people can commit terrorism, sure. See Timothy McVeigh, the Weather Underground, etc. But it's not the White part. It's the ideology part. Muslim is not a race. Islam is a religious ideology that's been around for a little more than 1400 years. That's why people don't say "Arab" terrorist. Lots of Arabs are not Muslims. Conflating Muslim to mean Arab or any other racial/ethnic group is just ignorant. But I know none of this matters to you. You just hate White people.

State terrorism

 

[Trausti]

White people can commit terrorism, sure. See Timothy McVeigh, the Weather Underground, etc. But it's not the White part. It's the ideology part. Muslim is not a race. Islam is a religious ideology that's been around for a little more than 1400 years. That's why people don't say "Arab" terrorist. Lots of Arabs are not Muslims. Conflating Muslim to mean Arab or any other racial/ethnic group is just ignorant. But I know none of this matters to you. You just hate White people.

State terrorism

. . . has no race.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, I don't know, Trausti. What happened with George W Bush attacking Iraq when god told him to do it was a complicated mess.