Police Kill Man Attempting to "Open Carry" ..wait for it...

[Ford]

A toy gun.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/man-police-shot-in-walmart-killed-over-fake-gun-fa/ngw77/

“We was just talking. He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him,”

Quick...without reading the article, can you guess the race of the dead guy?

 

[Nexus]

Based on the grammar in the quoted section I would guess black.

 

[Keith&Co.]

There seems to be a lot more to the situation. There's a woman that collapsed and died 'running from a dangerous situation' of some sort in that WalMart.

 

[Underseer]

There seems to be a lot more to the situation. There's a woman that collapsed and died 'running from a dangerous situation' of some sort in that WalMart.

Well, the cops did kill someone. Wouldn't that count as a "dangerous situation"?

[sarcasm] Anyway, I'm sure the cops were justified. He was probably wearing a hoodie or something like that. [/sarcasm]

 

[Unbeatable]

If there's a post on this forum about the police killing someone, it's going to be pretty easy to guess the victim's race.

What makes it even easier is when your article quote opens with "We was..."

But at least you didn't mention that the dead guy's wife children's mother is named LeeCee.

So anyway, here's the story of the couple who followed him through the store and called 911 on him:
http://bearingarms.com/dayton-walmart-shooting-innocent-man-swatted-death/2/

“He got on his cell phone right after he walked past me,” April Ritchie said. Ritchie was on her cell phone, talking with her mother. She had broken an ankle and was riding a scooter.

“Guy. Gun. Hold on,” April Ritchie recalled telling her mother.

They followed the man at a safe distance and Ronald Ritchie, a former Marine, called 911 at 8:21 p.m.

“Anytime I saw people walking his way, I would get their attention,” April Ritchie said, waving her hands for the reporters to demonstrate what she did. She said at one point, a family was standing next to the man with the rifle, but didn’t notice the rifle. The man turned to look at them with a stare she described as if he was telling them, “don’t come near me.”

He was holding a cellphone between his left ear and left shoulder while messing with the rifle, she said. “He just kept messing with it and I heard a clicking,” she said.

The "rifle"? According to the attorney general's office, John Crawford III was carrying an MK-177 (.177 caliber) BB/Pellet Rifle when he was shot.

 

[Rhea]

Went looking for more info. Found these:


http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/08/police-shoot-man-holding-fake-gunnear-fa
(Astonishingly, Crawford was not the only person to die in the Walmart that day. A 37-year-old woman, Angela Williams, suffered some kind of medical episode as she was exiting the store during the shooting. She apparently had a pre-existing medical condition, and died after being transported to the hospital.)

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/man-holding-realistic-looking-toy-gun-shot-killed-/ngxTX/
One witness, Ronald Ritchie said Crawford "was just waving it at children and people. Items.... I couldn't hear anything that he was saying. I'm thinking that he is either going to rob the place or he's there to shoot somebody else." The man looked kind of serious, Ronald Ritchie said. "He didn't really want to be looked at and when people did look at him, he was pointing the gun at them. He was pointing at people, children walking by."
Ritchie said he wasn't pointing it as if he was going to shoot, but waving it in their direction.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

"Shopping while black." Now a Class-A felony.

 

[none]

"Shopping while black." Now a Class-A felony.

maybe even qualifies as an act of rage.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Went looking for more info. Found these:


http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/08/police-shoot-man-holding-fake-gunnear-fa
(Astonishingly, Crawford was not the only person to die in the Walmart that day. A 37-year-old woman, Angela Williams, suffered some kind of medical episode as she was exiting the store during the shooting. She apparently had a pre-existing medical condition, and died after being transported to the hospital.)

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/man-holding-realistic-looking-toy-gun-shot-killed-/ngxTX/
One witness, Ronald Ritchie said Crawford "was just waving it at children and people. Items.... I couldn't hear anything that he was saying. I'm thinking that he is either going to rob the place or he's there to shoot somebody else." The man looked kind of serious, Ronald Ritchie said. "He didn't really want to be looked at and when people did look at him, he was pointing the gun at them. He was pointing at people, children walking by."
Ritchie said he wasn't pointing it as if he was going to shoot, but waving it in their direction.

Yeah, that's a much better report.

The idiot was waving it around, a policeman told him to drop it and he didn't.

 

[none]

...
The idiot was waving it around, a policeman told him to drop it and he didn't.

I am curious now, what is the norm that is lawful for lawfully carrying a weapon? specifically what behavior..
like it is lawful to carry a firearm as long as you don't wave it around?

 

[Ford]

The idiot was waving it around, a policeman told him to drop it and he didn't.

Except that the "idiot" was "waving around" a toy.

A couple weeks ago here in Phoenix, a gun rights advocate took it upon himself to carry a loaded AR-15 into the airport and "waved it around."

Not a toy. Not an air rifle, but an actual weapon.

Somehow, the police refrained from shooting him.

 

[beero1000]

An air rifle like that is certainly not a toy. Depending on the jurisdiction they can be designated dangerous weapons, and in some states they are even classified in the same way as firearms.

 

[Derec]

"Shopping while black." Now a Class-A felony.

Right. That's all he did.

And it wasn't a "toy" he was brandishing, and consequently it wasn't in the toy section, but rather in sporting goods section (as guns like those are used to hunt birds and small game).
Why the dead guy decided to unpack the air rifle and wave it around while he was on the phone with his baby mama we will never know I guess.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

it is lawful to carry a firearm as long as you don't wave it around?

Basically, yes.

White guy walks into an airport with a loaded rifle and accidentally points it at two passengers: gets arrested.
Black man walks into Walmart, picks up a toy gun on sale there, accidentally points it at two shoppers: shot on sight.

 

[Derec]

Except that the "idiot" was "waving around" a toy.

No he wasn't. He was waving around an air rifle that shoots 0.177 caliber pellets at 800 fps and that is used for hunting small animals. That is most definitely not a toy, not sold in the toy section and also lacks the brightly colored tip common for toy guns. It is also made to look similar to an assault rifle.

A couple weeks ago here in Phoenix, a gun rights advocate took it upon himself to carry a loaded AR-15 into the airport and "waved it around."

Got a medal for it did he? Or was he arrested and charged?

Not a toy. Not an air rifle, but an actual weapon.

The gun in this case, while an air rifle, was also "an actual weapon" and "not a toy".

Somehow, the police refrained from shooting him.

Maybe because he dropped it upon request?

 

[RavenSky]

Well now we know what still happens to black men who want to "open carry".

 

[Derec]

Black man walks into Walmart, picks up a toy gun on sale there, accidentally points it at two shoppers: shot on sight.

Several things wrong here:
- not a toy gun.
- didn't simply "pick it up". He had had to unpack it from its box.
- he wasn't shot on sight.

- - - Updated - - -

Well now we know what still happens to black men who want to "open carry". And we know, without any doubt whatsoever, that Derec and Loren will place all blame on the black man for getting himself shot.

Is this guy dead?

And yes, the WalMart guy behaved rather stupidly.

 

[Rhea]

Did the police ever release the video of that motorist they shot dead in South Carolina? The football player? Wonder why not...


Wonder if we will get to see this one. I suspect it's not as scary-looking as you are assuming, derec. So not-scary that those two witnesses followed him around the store ("from a safe distance"). If a person with a gun was truly doing scary stuff you bet your bottom dollar I would not be FOLLOWING HIM AROUND!

 

[RavenSky]

Oh yippee... Derec has his token black dude

 

[Ford]

- not a toy gun.

Yes it is.


This is what we used to call a "bb gun." Something you might - if you handled it irresponsibly - be able to use to cause an injury.

Deadly weapon? Not even close.

An air rifle is to an actual rifle what a ten speed bike is to a Harley.


Unless of course a black man unpacks one in Wal Mart...then it becomes a "deadly weapon being brandished about by a mad man."