Trump is not a racist

[Tom Sawyer]

Why are the people in the Pipe Hitter's Union carrying guns and the only actual pipe in the picture is held by one of the terrorists?

 

[Malintent]

They're on CNN talking about him being a racist.

That word has no meaning anymore. The libs have used it so much that they need a new word now.

I know what you mean. I have been hearing a lot about "assassinating" the president... so much that the word has no meaning anymore... so if something like that happens, I guess we'll just ignore it and move on.

 

[Kusa]

Are you playing at being dense or is it real?

I do agree with LP that the people modeled as ANTIFA in the armed resistance porn do appear to be white.

I do like (well, not like, but see the fucking inane hypocrisy) how they list Charlottesville, when it was one of them who murdered an unarmed protester (tried to kill a dozen with his car). Also, is it appropriate to hold a gun like the guy is, second from the left?

Holding the rifle from the buffer tube doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps he was going to swing it like a bat.

 

[ronburgundy]

No, it couldn't about those things. If it was, then he would have simply said, "We want wealthy, educated immigrants.", without reference to country, let alone without using a 94% white country as a contrast to a 2% white country.
Countries do not immigrate, people do. So, things like nation level GDP and education are irrelevant. Both Norway and the various non-white "shitholes" Trump referred to have wide variance in how educated and wealthy people are, and it is mostly the less wealthy Norwegians wanting to immigrate to the US. Allow a random Norwegian rather than a random "shithole" resident to immigrate and you will sometimes get a less educated or less wealthy immigrant. The only thing you are almost certain to get with that policy is a white immigrant rather than a black one. Thus, the sole motive for such a policy would be to ensure the race of the immigrant.

You are giving him way too much credit if you think he actually would have thought that through the way that you did. I have little doubt that he figures people from x country tend to be the average of x country or worse than it. Remember "they aren't sending their best". He has a clear anti-immigration bent to him and has made it explicit.

Exactly, he knows that no country is sending its best, which means Norway would be sending its worst educated too. Thus, if he actually cared about educated immigrants he would have said that rather than specifying that being from Norway and not Haiti is the only criteria.

His words here are not explicitly racist. Not a smoking gun.

A smoking gun is not explicit/direct evidence that a person is the one who killed someone (which is the reference). It it indirect, yet still highly convincing and leaving little room for plausible alternatives.

Also, there are a number of countries with higher average wealth or education than Norway. But those superior countries have few whites, except for Luxembourg, which is still far more racially mixed and about 30% "swarthy" compared to Norway.

Do you really think he reasoned through to pick a rich white country over a rich brown one,

It doesn't take any reasoning at all. All it takes is relying on one's racist-fueled emotions of not liking the look of Haitians but liking the look of Norwegians.

Another thing that is disturbing here is that people get myopic on this racism charge and ignore Trump's bent against your statue of liberty concept of open immigration for all who dream of a better life and building a better society. What happened to that? You took less than a third as many Syrian refugees than Canada and we are a tiny population in comparison.

I agree that his grotesque inhumanity toward those that most need refuge is arguably worse than his racism. Even without any racial component his comment shows that he is inhumanely unempathic and his sole interest in allowing immigrants is for self-serving benefit. However, that is a sentiment openly shared by most conservatives, GOP voters, and "libertarians". Thus, it doesn't really serve much purpose in emphasizing it. In contrast, most US conservatives and libertarians still try to pretend they aren't white supremacists, so it is more damaging to them to emphasize that aspect.

 

[Malintent]

Are you playing at being dense or is it real?

I do agree with LP that the people modeled as ANTIFA in the armed resistance porn do appear to be white.

I do like (well, not like, but see the fucking inane hypocrisy) how they list Charlottesville, when it was one of them who murdered an unarmed protester (tried to kill a dozen with his car). Also, is it appropriate to hold a gun like the guy is, second from the left?

Holding the rifle from the buffer tube doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps he was going to swing it like a bat.

He is holding the grip, with the barrel resting on his shoulder... I hold my shotgun that way while moving between sporting clay stations when I don't feel like using a sling... it is natural and comfortable.... just don't let the muzzle point too far down... should stay pointing upwards, and not at the face of the person walking behind you, though.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I agree that his grotesque inhumanity toward those that most need refuge is arguably worse than his racism. Even without any racial component his comment shows that he is inhumanely unempathic and his sole interest in allowing immigrants is for self-serving benefit. However, that is a sentiment openly shared by most conservatives, GOP voters, and "libertarians". Thus, it doesn't really serve much purpose in emphasizing it. In contrast, most US conservatives and libertarians still try to pretend they aren't white supremacists, so it is more damaging to them to emphasize that aspect.

It saddens me that people are more concerned with "damaging them" than dealing directly with what is arguably the worse evil as you put it. Partisanship trumps all in modern USA.

It doesn't matter if Trump is actually racist, only that his words here can be spun by us to damage "them". And immigration isn't an issue we can discuss rationally, with actual nuanced points and counterpoints but has to be thoughtless emotionally overriding talking points with adhoms and insults.

 

[Elixir]

... immigration isn't an issue we can discuss rationally, with actual nuanced points and counterpoints but has to be thoughtless emotionally overriding talking points with adhoms and insults.

Why bother? Cheato wants to blow billions on his stupid wall, and will brook no opposition to his idiocy. DACA recipients are screwed, and that's not going to change. So I'm hoping for a shutdown that will further tar the Pedo-Party going into the mid-terms. The less that happens between now and then, the better.

 

[Kusa]

Holding the rifle from the buffer tube doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps he was going to swing it like a bat.

He is holding the grip, with the barrel resting on his shoulder... I hold my shotgun that way while moving between sporting clay stations when I don't feel like using a sling... it is natural and comfortable.... just don't let the muzzle point too far down... should stay pointing upwards, and not at the face of the person walking behind you, though.

I thought it was this fellow. He is holding it from the buffer tube, not the grip. This rifle has a pistol grip btw.

 

[laughing dog]

I agree that his grotesque inhumanity toward those that most need refuge is arguably worse than his racism. Even without any racial component his comment shows that he is inhumanely unempathic and his sole interest in allowing immigrants is for self-serving benefit. However, that is a sentiment openly shared by most conservatives, GOP voters, and "libertarians". Thus, it doesn't really serve much purpose in emphasizing it. In contrast, most US conservatives and libertarians still try to pretend they aren't white supremacists, so it is more damaging to them to emphasize that aspect.

It saddens me that people are more concerned with "damaging them" than dealing directly with what is arguably the worse evil as you put it. Partisanship trumps all in modern USA.

It doesn't matter if Trump is actually racist, only that his words here can be spun by us to damage "them". And immigration isn't an issue we can discuss rationally, with actual nuanced points and counterpoints but has to be thoughtless emotionally overriding talking points with adhoms and insults.

If you take Trump's comments in a historical vacuum and apply no reasoning to the actual words, one can make an tepid convincing case that they are not racist and that Trump is not a racist. Add in his long and documented history and reasoning (as ronburgundy has eloquently done here) and there is no credible argument that Trump is not using racist thinking and racist dog whistles.

Pretending that his words are not racist is, at best, unthinking enabling of that racism. But that does not make it excusable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are you playing at being dense or is it real?

I do agree with LP that the people modeled as ANTIFA in the armed resistance porn do appear to be white.

I do like (well, not like, but see the fucking inane hypocrisy) how they list Charlottesville, when it was one of them who murdered an unarmed protester (tried to kill a dozen with his car). Also, is it appropriate to hold a gun like the guy is, second from the left?

Exactly. Not all evil is racist.

And that generally is not an appropriate way to hold a gun because you can't confirm that it's a safe direction to point it.

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Holding the rifle from the buffer tube doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps he was going to swing it like a bat.

He is holding the grip, with the barrel resting on his shoulder... I hold my shotgun that way while moving between sporting clay stations when I don't feel like using a sling... it is natural and comfortable.... just don't let the muzzle point too far down... should stay pointing upwards, and not at the face of the person walking behind you, though.

Yeah. I don't mind that he's carrying it on his shoulder--that transfers the weight from your arm to your body, making it easier to carry. I do mind that it's not pointed into the sky.

 

[Arctish]

Why are the people in the Pipe Hitter's Union carrying guns and the only actual pipe in the picture is held by one of the terrorists?

Because the 'pipe' in their gang name is a meth pipe, and 'hitter's' means guys who smoke it.

I mean, look at those guys! Prison tats, biker leathers, semi-automatics, and American flags. Obviously they're ex-con meth dealing biker gang thugs. It looks like they're protecting their turf but it's not clear why Antifa would be invading it.

 

[Arctish]

Exactly. Not all evil is racist.

And that generally is not an appropriate way to hold a gun because you can't confirm that it's a safe direction to point it.

Yeah. I don't mind that he's carrying it on his shoulder--that transfers the weight from your arm to your body, making it easier to carry. I do mind that it's not pointed into the sky.

Agree 100%.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Has anyone posted this?

Donald Trump’s Racism:
The Definitive List

 

[Copernicus]

There has been a lot of anti-Haiti right wing propaganda here lately. Anderson Cooper gives a nice rebuttal of it:

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[ronburgundy]

I agree that his grotesque inhumanity toward those that most need refuge is arguably worse than his racism. Even without any racial component his comment shows that he is inhumanely unempathic and his sole interest in allowing immigrants is for self-serving benefit. However, that is a sentiment openly shared by most conservatives, GOP voters, and "libertarians". Thus, it doesn't really serve much purpose in emphasizing it. In contrast, most US conservatives and libertarians still try to pretend they aren't white supremacists, so it is more damaging to them to emphasize that aspect.

It saddens me that people are more concerned with "damaging them" than dealing directly with what is arguably the worse evil as you put it. Partisanship trumps all in modern USA.

It doesn't matter if Trump is actually racist, only that his words here can be spun by us to damage "them". And immigration isn't an issue we can discuss rationally, with actual nuanced points and counterpoints but has to be thoughtless emotionally overriding talking points with adhoms and insults.

It does matter that he and most of his supporters are racist, which they are beyond any reasonable doubt. It also matters that they are immoral inhumane scum in general. These facts and the dangers they pose to the rest of us is why it is important to "damage them" in ways that harm their ability to hold or exert political power.
It is futile to Point out that that their ideas on immigration in general are purely selfish and unempathic to the less fortunate, because even most moderate conservatives and "libertarians" have a Randian worldview that holds these as positive traits. Being greedy and selfish are the values they think are critical to a capitalist utopia and their biggest heroes are poster children for those values. But being a rabid racist has finally become so unacceptable that even politicians who appeal mostly to racists must hide it and cloak it in coded language and symbols (like the Confederate flag). Thus, exposing the racism is more likely to do some damage to their ability to hold and increase their political power.

Pointing out that Trump's comment is rooted in mindless bigotries is part of having a rational discussion about immigration. It highlights by contrast what reasonable and moral concerns around immigration do not look like.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I agree that his grotesque inhumanity toward those that most need refuge is arguably worse than his racism. Even without any racial component his comment shows that he is inhumanely unempathic and his sole interest in allowing immigrants is for self-serving benefit. However, that is a sentiment openly shared by most conservatives, GOP voters, and "libertarians". Thus, it doesn't really serve much purpose in emphasizing it. In contrast, most US conservatives and libertarians still try to pretend they aren't white supremacists, so it is more damaging to them to emphasize that aspect.

It saddens me that people are more concerned with "damaging them" than dealing directly with what is arguably the worse evil as you put it. Partisanship trumps all in modern USA.

It doesn't matter if Trump is actually racist...

It does when it hurts the brand that is the United States. Trump and his supporters just don't get diplomacy.

...only that his words here can be spun by us to damage "them".

We don't need anything else to 'damage them'. They have done very well at supplying the left with barrels full of ridiculously irrational behavior and statements. From mocking Teresa May about terror attacks England has suffered to calling the North Korea leader short and fat.

And immigration isn't an issue we can discuss rationally, with actual nuanced points and counterpoints but has to be thoughtless emotionally overriding talking points with adhoms and insults.

Well, that'd be the right wing for you. Even George W Bush who actually had a plan to deal with illegal immigration couldn't get it through the majority Republican Congress because... 'ewww.... immigrants.'

 

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[Kusa]

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So many crocodile tears.

 

[Elixir]

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So many crocodile tears.

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Covfefe copy cats...