Do we owe Muslims another apology?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Do we owe Muslims another apology?

This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform

This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM

To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo

I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.

Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8

Regards
DL

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Islam is a dumb-assed religion and it is incumbent on all of us to point out how stupid it is at every opportunity.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Islam is a dumb-assed religion and it is incumbent on all of us to point out how stupid it is at every opportunity.

I tend to uses immoral more than stupid, but Islam is for sure taking a long time to smarten up.

Regards
DL

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Islam is a dumb-assed religion and it is incumbent on all of us to point out how stupid it is at every opportunity.

I tend to uses immoral more than stupid, but Islam is for sure taking a long time to smarten up.

Regards
DL

Ya, it's immoral as well, but it's also pretty stupid.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Personally, in order to avoid possible claims of prejudice, I find it's wise to be an equal opportunity offender of all religions, and considering what most of them have done, they can forget any kind of apology.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Islam is a dumb-assed religion and it is incumbent on all of us to point out how stupid it is at every opportunity.

I tend to uses immoral more than stupid, but Islam is for sure taking a long time to smarten up.

Regards
DL

Ya, it's immoral as well, but it's also pretty stupid.

That may be what makes then intransigent.

We have to remember that the adult Muslims brainwash their children even worse than Christians do in the West.

Here is one of many links that I have on file.

https://clarionproject.org/unrwa-teaching-palestinian-children-hate/

Regards
DL

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Personally, in order to avoid possible claims of prejudice, I find it's wise to be an equal opportunity offender of all religions, and considering what most of them have done, they can forget any kind of apology.

I differentiate a bit more than you do and would exempt the knowledge and wisdom seeking religions. They put man above God where we belong.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing
that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

[steve_bank]

No we do not.

The argument that violence is not true Islam does not hold up in history, same with the Christians.

The Christian-Muslim wars went on for centuries between Europeans and the Ottomans. The issue with the Barbary Pirates existed before the USA was founded. Infidels were fair game for capture and slavery. Coastal areas on the Mediterranean were evacuated.

Christians were not much better, the Crusades.

If a few battles had gone the other way Europe may have gone Muslim.

The three Abrahamic faiths are each in their own way exclusive. By definition non believers are fundamentally flawed.

 

[Politesse]

Do we owe Muslims another apology?

This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform

This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM

To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo

I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.

Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8

Regards
DL

Yes, you do. I would say an apology after an insult is always reasonable.

 

[DBT]

What was the insult?

 

[Politesse]

What was the insult?

All that racist bilge about inferior civilizations?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What was the insult?

All that racist bilge about inferior civilizations?

Nobody said that they're an inferior civilization, just that they have an uncivilized ideology, which is the case. It's like how you can criticize Nazis without being an anti-German bigot.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

No we do not.

The argument that violence is not true Islam does not hold up in history, same with the Christians.

The Christian-Muslim wars went on for centuries between Europeans and the Ottomans. The issue with the Barbary Pirates existed before the USA was founded. Infidels were fair game for capture and slavery. Coastal areas on the Mediterranean were evacuated.

Christians were not much better, the Crusades.

If a few battles had gone the other way Europe may have gone Muslim.

The three Abrahamic faiths are each in their own way exclusive. By definition non believers are fundamentally flawed.

U C 20/20.

The mainstream God are quite vile un not worthy of having followers. Their followers shown how their belief system has corrupted their moral sense.

I see the Crusades as a response to Northern Europe recognizing that they were going to lose their territory if they did not stop fighting each other and get together to fight the Muslim insurgency.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Do we owe Muslims another apology?

This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform

This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM

To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo

I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.

Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8

Regards
DL

Yes, you do. I would say an apology after an insult is always reasonable.

Your one liner tell me nothing.

Yes I do what?

Do you see correcting poor thinking as insulting someone?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

What was the insult?

Not laying down and letting the Muslims run roughshod over Europe.

Why can I understand what that little song says yet it seems to go right over some heads? That is rhetorical BTW.

Regards
DL

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What was the insult?

All that racist bilge about inferior civilizations?

From which side, and if you are just going to one line another useless answer, please ignore.

Regards
DL

 

[abaddon]

Not laying down and letting the Muslims run roughshod over Europe.

Why can I understand what that little song says yet it seems to go right over some heads? That is rhetorical BTW.

"Run roughshod over Europe" ... How's that a criticism of Islamic religious ideas?

What's the little song that flies over some heads?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Not laying down and letting the Muslims run roughshod over Europe.

Why can I understand what that little song says yet it seems to go right over some heads? That is rhetorical BTW.

"Run roughshod over Europe" ... How's that a criticism of Islamic religious ideas?

What's the little song that flies over some heads?

The bad verses of the Quran mandate forcing Islam on all. And the medieval Moslems did just that. From Egypt to North Africa. Spain and then several attempts on France. Middle east and India. Southern Italy and Sicily. Eastern Europe, from Albania to Hungary. Repeated attempts on Byzantium. And Austria. Religion was used as a excuse for repeated attacks on everyone. This is a long and well attested to aspect of Islam. It ended only when Islamic military ability fell behind and Islam could no longer militarily impose itself on anybody.

There are those who argue that the bad verses and hadiths are being misread, but then the history of Islam's violence against the non-Islamic world at large is what it is, and makes excuses ring just a little hollow.

 

[DBT]

What was the insult?

All that racist bilge about inferior civilizations?

Was it civilizations in general or religious beliefs in particular?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Not laying down and letting the Muslims run roughshod over Europe.

Why can I understand what that little song says yet it seems to go right over some heads? That is rhetorical BTW.

"Run roughshod over Europe" ... How's that a criticism of Islamic religious ideas?

What's the little song that flies over some heads?

The last link in the O.P. This one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8

Regards
DL

 

[steve_bank]

No we do not.

The argument that violence is not true Islam does not hold up in history, same with the Christians.

The Christian-Muslim wars went on for centuries between Europeans and the Ottomans. The issue with the Barbary Pirates existed before the USA was founded. Infidels were fair game for capture and slavery. Coastal areas on the Mediterranean were evacuated.

Christians were not much better, the Crusades.

If a few battles had gone the other way Europe may have gone Muslim.

The three Abrahamic faiths are each in their own way exclusive. By definition non believers are fundamentally flawed.

U C 20/20.

The mainstream God are quite vile un not worthy of having followers. Their followers shown how their belief system has corrupted their moral sense.

I see the Crusades as a response to Northern Europe recognizing that they were going to lose their territory if they did not stop fighting each other and get together to fight the Muslim insurgency.

Regards
DL

I disagree. Those with religion are acting within the motality of the religion. Leviticus is clear, kill gays.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

No we do not.

The argument that violence is not true Islam does not hold up in history, same with the Christians.

The Christian-Muslim wars went on for centuries between Europeans and the Ottomans. The issue with the Barbary Pirates existed before the USA was founded. Infidels were fair game for capture and slavery. Coastal areas on the Mediterranean were evacuated.

Christians were not much better, the Crusades.

If a few battles had gone the other way Europe may have gone Muslim.

The three Abrahamic faiths are each in their own way exclusive. By definition non believers are fundamentally flawed.

U C 20/20.

The mainstream God are quite vile un not worthy of having followers. Their followers shown how their belief system has corrupted their moral sense.

I see the Crusades as a response to Northern Europe recognizing that they were going to lose their territory if they did not stop fighting each other and get together to fight the Muslim insurgency.

Regards
DL

I disagree. Those with religion are acting within the motality of the religion. Leviticus is clear, kill gays.

The bible is also clear the justice is an eye for an eye, or the penalty should match the crime.

I have not heard of many gay killers but have heard of many who have or would kill gays for doing a lot less than killing.

So tell us who is closer to the bible's idea of justice?

Regards
DL