Sex And Religion

[steve_bank]

Intelligent people do not have sex worrying about an imaginary god looking down on them or words written by unknown authors thousands of years ago.

Personal I thoroughly enjoyed giving oral sex to a woman and receiving oral sex in return. As natural as anything.[/

Too much information

Sex is as natural as eating, breathing, and bowl movements. It is the unhealthy often bizarre aversion to sexuality that evolved in Christianity that has given us all these social problems with sex.

Can you say penis and vagina in conversation without feeling embarrassed or feeling like you are doing something wrong? Eating is pleeasurable. There are TV shows on cooking. Why the aversion to talking about sex?

 

[phands]

Why the aversion to talking about sex?

Because religion warps and damages everything, and controlling and demonizing sex is a powerful control tool.

 

[Jobar]

 

[southernhybrid]

While it's true, that some Christians have issues with sex, I'm pretty sure that a lot, if not most Christians are perfectly capable of having good sex lives. Women, at least the women I've known over the course of my life, talk about their sex lives with each other. I've known a lot of Christian women that claimed that they had excellent sex lives, so can we stop making generalizations about all Christians? I doubt that many Christians think about god watching them while they're getting it on. Or perhaps they like the idea of a kinky god watching them. It's absurd to make the claim that Christians don't have good sex lives. Seriously guys.


Besides, even if Christians only believe in marital sex, which many of them obviously don't practice, marital sex can be the hottest sex of all because of all the practice that two people have when they are together for many years. I equate it with two dance partners that have been together for many years. The more practice they have, the better the dancing gets. There's a reason why sex is sometimes referred to as the horizontal boogie.


When I was still working, a few of my Christian patients in their 70s and 80s were having sex, or at least trying. The women told me about it. Their complaints were always related to the man having problems having an erection, which I'm sure was more due to age than to belief. As I said, women talk about their sex lives with other women.

 

[Keith&Co.]

While it's true, that some Christians have issues with sex, I'm pretty sure that a lot, if not most Christians are perfectly capable of having good sex lives.

But can they tell their children that mommy and daddy have a good sex life?
That's at least part of the 'issue' with sex. Christain kids growing up with these weird ideas of what sex is, and unfathomable holes in their knowledge, because parents won't talk about it, and hung-up people make sure the schools cannot talk about it, so they're left with porn, scrambled Playboy channels, and one of their peers who stole a Hustler and talks as if he's a reference source for all things sexual.

Like my classmate who assured us you could detect STD's by sticking a penny in. If it came out tarnished, she was contagious. Being, you know, ME, I immediately asked, "How can SHE know we're clean, then?" Because it seems obvious, we should both be checking. If nothing else, that would be the point to explain, "Okay, but first I need to turn on a light and find my lucky penny..."
And she would say, I was imagining, "Oh! I almost forgot my (I dunno, toothbrush? Piece of lint?.... Dipstick?)!"

Mark said, "Who cares about her?" at which point I stopped listening to Mark. The Christains in our little group, however, nodded as if he'd made a good point in the debate.

 

[steve_bank]

While it's true, that some Christians have issues with sex, I'm pretty sure that a lot, if not most Christians are perfectly capable of having good sex lives.

But can they tell their children that mommy and daddy have a good sex life?
That's at least part of the 'issue' with sex. Christain kids growing up with these weird ideas of what sex is, and unfathomable holes in their knowledge, because parents won't talk about it, and hung-up people make sure the schools cannot talk about it, so they're left with porn, scrambled Playboy channels, and one of their peers who stole a Hustler and talks as if he's a reference source for all things sexual.

Like my classmate who assured us you could detect STD's by sticking a penny in. If it came out tarnished, she was contagious. Being, you know, ME, I immediately asked, "How can SHE know we're clean, then?" Because it seems obvious, we should both be checking. If nothing else, that would be the point to explain, "Okay, but first I need to turn on a light and find my lucky penny..."
And she would say, I was imagining, "Oh! I almost forgot my (I dunno, toothbrush? Piece of lint?.... Dipstick?)!"

Mark said, "Who cares about her?" at which point I stopped listening to Mark. The Christains in our little group, however, nodded as if he'd made a good point in the debate.

I think that is the point. It is about sex being secret and unspoken,

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hybrid, it's a sad fact that generalizations have allure for people, but there are plenty of believers who, while enjoying the hell out of sex (I've always said that Catholic gals make the best sinners ), are bothered, or worse, by guilt afterward, guilt that often has its roots in religious doctrine of one stripe or another.

It's not just Christianity that looks askance at sex.

 

[southernhybrid]

While it's true, that some Christians have issues with sex, I'm pretty sure that a lot, if not most Christians are perfectly capable of having good sex lives.

But can they tell their children that mommy and daddy have a good sex life?
That's at least part of the 'issue' with sex. Christain kids growing up with these weird ideas of what sex is, and unfathomable holes in their knowledge, because parents won't talk about it, and hung-up people make sure the schools cannot talk about it, so they're left with porn, scrambled Playboy channels, and one of their peers who stole a Hustler and talks as if he's a reference source for all things sexual.

Like my classmate who assured us you could detect STD's by sticking a penny in. If it came out tarnished, she was contagious. Being, you know, ME, I immediately asked, "How can SHE know we're clean, then?" Because it seems obvious, we should both be checking. If nothing else, that would be the point to explain, "Okay, but first I need to turn on a light and find my lucky penny..."
And she would say, I was imagining, "Oh! I almost forgot my (I dunno, toothbrush? Piece of lint?.... Dipstick?)!"

Mark said, "Who cares about her?" at which point I stopped listening to Mark. The Christains in our little group, however, nodded as if he'd made a good point in the debate.

I don' think that has much to do with religion. It's common for kids to have misinformation about sex. My parents were fundamentalist Christians and also from the generation that never talked about sex, regardless of their beliefs. My poor mother became very embarrassed just telling me about menstruation. I almost felt sorry for her, but was relieved to learn all the details. My parents never, ever talked about sex and I was a virgin until the age of 19, which in my opinion was a good thing. Having said that, and as long as I've had a good partner, ( husband for over 35 years ), which I currently do, sex has always been great. Or as the expression goes, "Sex is like Pizza, even when it's bad, it's still pretty good."

My son was always very shy and seemed embarrassed when I started teaching him about sex. I really don't think he wanted to know the details of my sex life. He knew that his step father and I were very affectionate and that was all he needed to know. Do you honestly think that most kids want to learn about the details of sexuality from their parents? I really don't think so and it has nothing to do with whether they are Christian or not.

My husband's parents were Catholic. I know they had a terrible sex life because my late mother in law told us, right in front of her husband. Nice, huh. But, they were from that same generation, and I don't think many men back in those days put in much effort to please a woman. I don't think they knew much about sex back then. Sure, there were exceptions, but sex was not so openly discussed by people who were born in the early 20th Century, so ignorance was the more likely reason why so many of them didn't have good sex lives, not religion. Sexism is probably another reason why a lot of women don't enjoy sex. Too many men don't know enough about female anatomy because they have been given the impression by society that sex it's all about them. And, perhaps too many women aren't assertive enough to say what they want.

I'm not denying that some Christians are probably too uptight to enjoy sex and some of that may be do to their religious beliefs. But, even in my fundy church, we had sex education classes and while we were told that sex is for married people, we were never ever given the impression that it wasn't to be enjoyed. I grew up in the 50s and 60s to put things in perspective. Things are much different now.

To be honest, one thing that I've read about these days, is that a lot of boys are getting the impression that girls like to be treated like objects and sex is all about a man's pleasure. That is supposedly from watching the wrong kind of porn. That has nothing to do with religion.

 

[steve_bank]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ident-hassan-rouhani-visit-nude-a6834836.html

Italy covers nude statues to avid insulting visiting Muslims.

Popes and nude statues. Covering and eliminating genitals on statues began 16th century ended 19th century

http://www.answers.com/Q/Is_it_true_that_in_1857_Pope_Pius_emasculated_statues_inside_Vatican_City

 

[southernhybrid]

Hybrid, it's a sad fact that generalizations have allure for people, but there are plenty of believers who, while enjoying the hell out of sex (I've always said that Catholic gals make the best sinners ), are bothered, or worse, by guilt afterward, guilt that often has its roots in religious doctrine of one stripe or another.

It's not just Christianity that looks askance at sex.

I guess some do experience guilt, but almost all of my friends were Catholics during my youth and they never seemed to feel guilty about sex.

It would be good if we had some actual Christians tell us how they feel about the claim that they don't enjoy sex, wouldn't it? So, if any of our few Christians are reading this thread, please tell us if you enjoy sex. I don't judge.

 

[Lion IRC]

Hybrid, it's a sad fact that generalizations have allure for people, but there are plenty of believers who, while enjoying the hell out of sex (I've always said that Catholic gals make the best sinners ), are bothered, or worse, by guilt afterward, guilt that often has its roots in religious doctrine of one stripe or another.

It's not just Christianity that looks askance at sex.

Pretty sure this very forum has a rule prohibiting pornography - the definition of which includes writing as well as images. Which is good, because I don't particularly want to read about steve_banks oral sex preferences

 

[Bronzeage]

Intelligent people do not have sex worrying about an imaginary god looking down on them or words written by unknown authors thousands of years ago.

Personal I thoroughly enjoyed giving oral sex to a woman and receiving oral sex in return. As natural as anything.[/

Too much information

Sex is as natural as eating, breathing, and bowl movements. It is the unhealthy often bizarre aversion to sexuality that evolved in Christianity that has given us all these social problems with sex.

Can you say penis and vagina in conversation without feeling embarrassed or feeling like you are doing something wrong? Eating is pleeasurable. There are TV shows on cooking. Why the aversion to talking about sex?

I think you greatly over estimate the inhibitory powers of thinking God or your Grandparents are in Heaven watching you have sex.

As for saying penis and vagina in conversation, I know a guy who can't say much else, if he forgets to take his meds.

 

[Tigers!]

Hybrid, it's a sad fact that generalizations have allure for people, but there are plenty of believers who, while enjoying the hell out of sex (I've always said that Catholic gals make the best sinners ), are bothered, or worse, by guilt afterward, guilt that often has its roots in religious doctrine of one stripe or another.

It's not just Christianity that looks askance at sex.

I guess some do experience guilt, but almost all of my friends were Catholics during my youth and they never seemed to feel guilty about sex.

It would be good if we had some actual Christians tell us how they feel about the claim that they don't enjoy sex, wouldn't it? So, if any of our few Christians are reading this thread, please tell us if you enjoy sex. I don't judge.

Just because you asked so nicely Southern Hybrid
My wife and I really enjoy sex. Been married 23 years in November.
We both married in our early 30s and had no other partners.

(Hopefully you don't want to know anything else)

 

[steve_bank]

Intelligent people do not have sex worrying about an imaginary god looking down on them or words written by unknown authors thousands of years ago.

Personal I thoroughly enjoyed giving oral sex to a woman and receiving oral sex in return. As natural as anything.[/

Too much information

Sex is as natural as eating, breathing, and bowl movements. It is the unhealthy often bizarre aversion to sexuality that evolved in Christianity that has given us all these social problems with sex.

Can you say penis and vagina in conversation without feeling embarrassed or feeling like you are doing something wrong? Eating is pleeasurable. There are TV shows on cooking. Why the aversion to talking about sex?

I think you greatly over estimate the inhibitory powers of thinking God or your Grandparents are in Heaven watching you have sex.

As for saying penis and vagina in conversation, I know a guy who can't say much else, if he forgets to take his meds.

HeeHeee..point taken. In the 80s I worked with a guy from Sri Lanka. In meetings he liked to use sexual metaphors he probably picked up in American movies.

I grew up in the RCC, went to Catholic schools. You may be underestimating the power and influence religion has especially when the conditioning starts as a child. Catholics are bred to feel guilty about everything.

 

[southernhybrid]

Hybrid, it's a sad fact that generalizations have allure for people, but there are plenty of believers who, while enjoying the hell out of sex (I've always said that Catholic gals make the best sinners ), are bothered, or worse, by guilt afterward, guilt that often has its roots in religious doctrine of one stripe or another.

It's not just Christianity that looks askance at sex.

I guess some do experience guilt, but almost all of my friends were Catholics during my youth and they never seemed to feel guilty about sex.

It would be good if we had some actual Christians tell us how they feel about the claim that they don't enjoy sex, wouldn't it? So, if any of our few Christians are reading this thread, please tell us if you enjoy sex. I don't judge.

Just because you asked so nicely Southern Hybrid
My wife and I really enjoy sex. Been married 23 years in November.
We both married in our early 30s and had no other partners.

(Hopefully you don't want to know anything else)

No, that's all. I have been happily married to my second husband for 36 years. We are both monogamous atheists and I would agree with you that marital sex is the best, assuming of course that you have a good marriage and are both healthy.