Speakpigeon
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- Rationality (i.e. facts + logic), Scepticism (not just about God but also everything beyond my subjective experience)
I've never seen such hand waving.
Yes you by magic conceive of a completed infinity.
You are full of shit!
Move on. You have nothing but some worthless claim about something in your mind. It is stupidity.
There's no magic involved. Most people do it and certainly lots of bright people throughout history did. I'm sorry to break the news to you that such bright people as Newton and Leibnitz and Cantor all agreed with me. And they didn't fuss about the fact that we can conceive of infinity. People who can't conceive of it are either complete idiots and people like you who can't see the difference between imagining and conceiving despite being told several times. Oh, wait, I know, you can't see in fact the difference between imagining and conceiving! That's it! And all this fuss because you believe we claim we can imagine infinity. How pathetic is that?!
So, let's start again on the right foot this time, shall we? We claim that we are able to conceive of infinity. Nobody serious ever claimed to be able to imagine infinity.
So, how do you feel about that? Friends again?
EB
You can't conceive of a completed infinity.
Oh, yes, I can. The interval of Real numbers or even Rational numbers between 0 and 1 and many other possibilities. Even an infinite past with a beginning. Or with two beginnings. Easy pie.
None of those people ever claimed a completed infinity was possible. You alone hold this position.
What's a dx going to zero if not a "completed" infinity?! Not only it's possible to conceive of it but it's also rather trivial.
Your claims that you can conceive of completed infinities are childish lies.
Please show me your evidence for that rather idiotic claim.
Your position is total shit.
This is for adults, not little lying children that stomp their feet and cry that they can do the impossible in their mind.
These children take this position as a last resort when no rational positions are available.
To imagine something means it is accessible.
You can imagine one cow, imagine two cows.
Imagine a number of cows that can't be counted.
Imagine cows filling the universe.
In every imagining you have a finite amount of cows.
There is no possible way to imagine infinite cows. Infinity is not an amount. It is the concept of ever increasing amount.
It is possible to imagine something increasing and increasing. But impossible to imagine a completed infinity. Anything completed in the imagination is finite. It is there to be fully appreciated.
If you can't imagine infinite cows then claims that you can conceive of infinite cows is just stupidity.
And there you go again. It's conceive, not imagine. Apparently, you don't understand the difference. Thinking in the abstract clearly isn't your forte. You can't conceive that we can conceive, I guess.
EB