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Kavanaugh, before his meltdown: 'It's important to have the proper demeanor'

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Wow....did he screw up big time.....

A Mother Jones article highlights the in-control 2015 version of Brett Kavanaugh speaking on the necessity of judges having the proper temperament for the job. This was in the before-times of not last week, when the man who worked for Ken Starr to peddle a conspiracy theory and who worked for George W. Bush to do, according to the keepers of his records, absolutely not a single damn thing during years of employment, was the very picture of nonpartisan restraint.


To be a good judge and a good umpire, it’s important to have the proper demeanor. Really important, I think. To walk in the others’ shoes, whether it be the other litigants, the litigants in the case, the other judges. To understand them. To keep our emotions in check. To be calm amidst the storm. On the bench, to put it in the vernacular, don’t be a jerk. I think that’s important. To be a good umpire and a good judge, don’t be a jerk. In your opinions, to demonstrate civility. I think that’s important as well. To show, to help display, that you are trying to make the decision impartially and dispassionately based on the law and not based on your emotions.
Mind you, it's important to note that Brett here was talking about the importance of keeping your emotions hidden when making life-or-death decisions about other people; he said nothing about maintaining proper discipline when Wealthy White Conservative Man's Job Interview Doesn't Go Well. And while it is understandable that anyone facing what they believed to be either an untrue or a true but Very Bad allegation against them would show anger, the prevailing new conservative opinion is that you should be allowed to lie to the Senate if you feel the questions are unfair or if answering would cause you "embarrassment." But Kavanaugh was not merely angry. He became belligerent—and dishonest.


Kavanaugh's demeanor was that of someone who had stumbled not into a job interview, but an intervention.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...wn-It-s-important-to-have-the-proper-demeanor
 
Matt Damon did a devastating Kavanaugh on last week's SNL season premiere -- squinting, gasping, ranting, 'bringin' it' to his questioners.
(Unfortunately, that's how Trump's base expect good strong leaders to act.)
 
Who is a good contrast example we can hold up? To make it stick, it would have to be a man wrongly accused of sexual assaults where the allegations were made right when he was being considered for a big promotion. Nobody quickly comes to my mind of someone in that scenario who behaved well.
 
If the person is hearing about the charges for the first time then possibly a loss of control and displays of anger might be acceptable.

But after knowing about the charges for a while with plenty of time to contemplate it is out of place.

It was a show.

A big show.

Why?
 
Who is a good contrast example we can hold up? To make it stick, it would have to be a man wrongly accused of sexual assaults

A guy at my 7th command was gay, when it was illegal to be gay in the Military. Call him Abe.

A completely different sailor, Let's say 'Baker,' felt conflicted about his own sexuality and confessed to a Navy Chaplain. Unfortunately, the chaplain was a former SEAL, and immediately turned the kid over for separation. Legal told Baker that they'd go easier on him if he turned in other homosexuals. He picked Abe, from having heard from a friend-of-a-friend that Abe was gay. They had not had any sex or even direct conversation.

Baker spun this wild tale about being in Abe's private sex dungeon, about being tied to an upside down cross for whipping, and various perversions of sexual practice that must have given Legal absolute hard-ons that they were going to 'get' the King of the Sodomites.
When they tried to prosecute Abe, though, he just invited them over to his apartment. No dungeon, no cross (of any polarity), no whip, and the description of his bedroom was completely off.
He was calm and credible the entire time.
It didn't make national news, but it IS possible to act like a grown-up in the face of accusations of sexual misconduct.
 
No matter what Kavanaugh did, he could never have satisfied the people who did not want him nominated in the first place. If he would have sat there without emotion, they would have criticized him saying he looked like someone that was guilty. But snce he did show emotion, that means he is not judge material now. No way forKavanaugh to win. Im just trying to imagine what the correct demeanor for his situation should have been.

Personally, I think both he and Ford were acting. It may have not been the right script for him but we will soon see how many votes he gets for his Hollywood performance.
 
No matter what Kavanaugh did, he could never have satisfied the people who did not want him nominated in the first place.
That's because there are plenty of other reasons to not want him on the bench. So the good news is, you're correct for a change. The bad news is, you're correct for all the wrong reasons.
If he would have sat there without emotion, they would have criticized him saying he looked like someone that was guilty. But snce he did show emotion, that means he is not judge material now. No way forKavanaugh to win. Im just trying to imagine what the correct demeanor for his situation should have been.
I think you're projecting again.

Personally, I think both he and Ford were acting. It may have not been the right script for him but we will soon see how many votes he gets for his Hollywood performance.
Nice whataboutism there. Ya'll are more predictable than the bloody sunrise.
 
The idea that outraged breast-beating is normal disregards the fact that this man is a judge. One would expect greater mental balance and moderation of speech and presentation, along with a minimization of emotion, for that reason.

More than almost anyone, a judge should know the value of an investigation to clear him name ... yet BK hesitated for long seconds before refusing to endorse a further FBI investigation.
 
Typical bedbug response. Avoid the tissue that Kavanaugh is grotesquely unsuitable in temperament for the SCOTUS bench, and berate those who protest. Yes, he's also a sex offender, and that is exacerbated by his alcohol problems.

But his weeping and wailing at the hearing was just the nasty entitled little rich kid having a tantrum at being questioned and accused. That alone is enough to disqualify him, by his own words.
 
Who is a good contrast example we can hold up?
Any of the other eight candidates (at least when it comes to perjury and what not)? Though I was a freshman in high school when Thomas was confirmed.
To make it stick, it would have to be a man wrongly accused of sexual assaults where the allegations were made right when he was being considered for a big promotion. Nobody quickly comes to my mind of someone in that scenario who behaved well.
It is incredible how some have managed to fall for his act.
 
No matter what Kavanaugh did, he could never have satisfied the people who did not want him nominated in the first place.
He never answered several questions of great significance to being on SCOTUS, such as the torture memo involvement, his previous perjury, and the huge unsecured debt / disappearance of said debt without it affecting any of his assets. These are serious issues and if he can't be honest about shit he was bragging about when he was younger... well... his honesty is in question about everything else.

If he would have sat there without emotion, they would have criticized him saying he looked like someone that was guilty. But snce he did show emotion, that means he is not judge material now.
He didn't "show emotion" in the sense of [sincere]"Before I came in here, I watched Dr. Ford's testimony. It was raw, emotional, and it pained me to hear that this happened to her."[/sincere] No, he was emotional in the sense of belligerent. "I drank beer, I loved beer, I'm not an alcoholic, you are an alcoholic! The Five Jew Bankers are behind all of this!" Jebus, that'd be like my kid throwing a tantrum and then saying, "Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to show emotion."

No way forKavanaugh to win. Im just trying to imagine what the correct demeanor for his situation should have been.
I gave an example. The whole, sounding sincere with a brief opening statement saying that Dr. Ford suffered greatly, it pained him, but he was not involved in such a disgraceful act. Short, sweet, sincere, empathetic.

Personally, I think both he and Ford were acting.
You think 9/11 was an inside job, so your judgment isn't exactly going to hold a bucket of water. Dr. Ford isn't Meryl Streep or Emily Blunt or Frances McDormand.
 
No matter what Kavanaugh did, he could never have satisfied the people who did not want him nominated in the first place. If he would have sat there without emotion, they would have criticized him saying he looked like someone that was guilty. But snce he did show emotion, that means he is not judge material now. No way forKavanaugh to win. Im just trying to imagine what the correct demeanor for his situation should have been.

Personally, I think both he and Ford were acting. It may have not been the right script for him but we will soon see how many votes he gets for his Hollywood performance.

Yeah, generally when you have a problem with getting drunk at parties and sexually assaulting women, there's no way to 'win' a hearing to see if you have the demeanor to sit on the SCOTUS. Not to mention the repeated perjury.

Now, if he hadn't dissembled or lied, told the truth about his yearbook and calendar events, and had any sense of nervousness or shame about his drinking or sexual boasts

"about the yearbook, I was on the football team; if I hadn't gone to parties or made stupid boasts about sexual conquests I would have been castigated. I had to drink, even though I knew I was bad at it. This continued in college, where as a person from a family of influence, I was expected to participate in Greek life, again under penalty of living in obscurity. I did the bare minimum to fit in at those gatherings. I would be happy to testify about what other individuals did at those events, but that wasn't really who I wanted to be then and it isn't who I am now. And as for the things that happen to women at parties like that, it turns my stomach thinking about it; I didn't and wouldn't participate in that kind of thing, but yeah, it happened, and it's a shame someone is using the fact of such things to claim that I participated in it, because it hurts all the women who are speaking their own truths about what happened, perhaps even at those same parties I had to attend."

Of course, that would have only worked if he had actually not participated.
 
Kavanaugh's demeanor was that of someone who had stumbled not into a job interview, but an intervention.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...wn-It-s-important-to-have-the-proper-demeanor

That sentence hit it exactly right.

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Who is a good contrast example we can hold up? To make it stick, it would have to be a man wrongly accused of sexual assaults where the allegations were made right when he was being considered for a big promotion. Nobody quickly comes to my mind of someone in that scenario who behaved well.

No one comes to mind in that scenario that was innocent, either.
 
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