Hillary Clinton: You 'cannot be civil' with Republicans, Democrats need to be 'tougher'

[Thumpalumpacus]

Where are these Republicans?

Where are their voices?

Where are their protests?

Where is their opposition?

It's in the bank, collecting interest.

It's non-existent.

The lockstep party is filled with people without spines.

Yeah, my comment was explaining why that is.

 

[untermensche]

It's non-existent.

The lockstep party is filled with people without spines.

Yeah, my comment was explaining why that is.

Your comment is gibberish.

I am talking about morality and priciples.

And you are in the gutter talking about pigs temporarily getting fatter due to government borrowing.

That is all we have right now.

Another Republican bubble economy based on passing huge bills to the next generation.

It is called corruption. And nothing to be happy about.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's non-existent.

The lockstep party is filled with people without spines.

Yeah, my comment was explaining why that is.

Your comment is gibberish.

Would you like help parsing it, then? It's not terribly difficult, but if you need the help I'll be happy to do so.

By the way, I wasn't referring to government borrowing, either.

 

[untermensche]

Your comment is gibberish.

Would you like help parsing it, then? It's not terribly difficult, but if you need the help I'll be happy to do so.

By the way, I wasn't referring to government borrowing, either.

You have made no point.

You have no point.

Make one and maybe I can help you.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Trump was a liar but came across as strong and focused to a large segment.

Hilary came across as weak lacking focus and clear specificity.

do not equate Hulary with Trump, however Hilary is a seasoned experienced calculating politician. In short duplicitous. She got causgt in leaked documents. She like all white democrats politicians pandered to blacks and it did not work for her.

People could not figure out what ecsctly she stood for, myself included. Trump spoke from the heart, Hilary to me was shifty and cacluting every word. When she spoe her eyes were diverted and he head looking away. You could see the wheels turning as she spoke.

I did not vote. I did not Hilary as being any better as president.

Yes she has dine good things through her foundation and has championed rights issues, but I still have no idea who she is.

She did get the most votes. However, I agree that she was boring and uninspiring. The big problem with democrats is that we tend to elect boring policy wonks. I fear that our next candidate will be another boring policy expert: Sanders, Warren, Booker, or Biden. All four know the issues. Have great ideas. But they lack inspirational leadership. Trump supports will drive through concrete walls to support him. I'm sorry, but the barriers are against the democrats. Due to the electoral college and gerrymandering: our votes count for less. Just to win an election with a majority isn't going to cut it for us. We have to overwhelming win. I pray to the GFSM that we can find a truly inspirational democrat for the next election, or we are toast.

Bernie Sanders is boring? Must be why millions of young people are energized by his ideas.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Your comment is gibberish.

Would you like help parsing it, then? It's not terribly difficult, but if you need the help I'll be happy to do so.

By the way, I wasn't referring to government borrowing, either.

You have made no point.

You have no point.

Make one and maybe I can help you.

English isn't your first language, is it?

Never mind your answer. You bore me.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Trump was a liar but came across as strong and focused to a large segment.

Hilary came across as weak lacking focus and clear specificity.

do not equate Hulary with Trump, however Hilary is a seasoned experienced calculating politician. In short duplicitous. She got causgt in leaked documents. She like all white democrats politicians pandered to blacks and it did not work for her.

People could not figure out what ecsctly she stood for, myself included. Trump spoke from the heart, Hilary to me was shifty and cacluting every word. When she spoe her eyes were diverted and he head looking away. You could see the wheels turning as she spoke.

I did not vote. I did not Hilary as being any better as president.

Yes she has dine good things through her foundation and has championed rights issues, but I still have no idea who she is.

She did get the most votes. However, I agree that she was boring and uninspiring. The big problem with democrats is that we tend to elect boring policy wonks. I fear that our next candidate will be another boring policy expert: Sanders, Warren, Booker, or Biden. All four know the issues. Have great ideas. But they lack inspirational leadership. Trump supports will drive through concrete walls to support him. I'm sorry, but the barriers are against the democrats. Due to the electoral college and gerrymandering: our votes count for less. Just to win an election with a majority isn't going to cut it for us. We have to overwhelming win. I pray to the GFSM that we can find a truly inspirational democrat for the next election, or we are toast.

Bernie Sanders is boring? Must be why millions of young people are energized by his ideas.

Of course. Most of his ideas would greatly benefit younger voters. But young people don't vote. It's not that I disagree with his polices, but I just find him slightly more inspirational than HRC. But not by much. We need an extremely charismatic, tough, inspirational, rich character who can win free press coverage to beat Trump in 2020. I voted for HRC last time and would have voted for Bernie - but they are unable to beat Trump.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Bernie Sanders is boring? Must be why millions of young people are energized by his ideas.

Of course. Most of his ideas would greatly benefit younger voters. But young people don't vote. It's not that I disagree with his polices, but I just find him slightly more inspirational than HRC. But not by much. We need an extremely charismatic, tough, inspirational, rich character who can win free press coverage to beat Trump in 2020. I voted for HRC last time and would have voted for Bernie - but they are unable to beat Trump.

Sanders is inspirational.

 

[untermensche]

You have made no point.

You have no point.

Make one and maybe I can help you.

English isn't your first language, is it?

Never mind your answer. You bore me.

Children with childish ideas bore easily.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump was a liar but came across as strong and focused to a large segment.

Hilary came across as weak lacking focus and clear specificity.

do not equate Hulary with Trump, however Hilary is a seasoned experienced calculating politician. In short duplicitous. She got causgt in leaked documents. She like all white democrats politicians pandered to blacks and it did not work for her.

People could not figure out what ecsctly she stood for, myself included. Trump spoke from the heart, Hilary to me was shifty and cacluting every word. When she spoe her eyes were diverted and he head looking away. You could see the wheels turning as she spoke.

I did not vote. I did not Hilary as being any better as president.

Yes she has dine good things through her foundation and has championed rights issues, but I still have no idea who she is.

She did get the most votes. However, I agree that she was boring and uninspiring. The big problem with democrats is that we tend to elect boring policy wonks. I fear that our next candidate will be another boring policy expert: Sanders, Warren, Booker, or Biden. All four know the issues. Have great ideas. But they lack inspirational leadership. Trump supports will drive through concrete walls to support him. I'm sorry, but the barriers are against the democrats. Due to the electoral college and gerrymandering: our votes count for less. Just to win an election with a majority isn't going to cut it for us. We have to overwhelming win. I pray to the GFSM that we can find a truly inspirational democrat for the next election, or we are toast.

People who want to elect "leaders" are people who want to be led. Where would you like the leash attached, to your neck or your balls?

I want competent people to be elected that will be led by the people.

 

[angelo]

All political parties con the sheeple to get their votes. For that reason politicians and babies' nappies should be changed often, and for the same reasons. Bernie Sanders conned a sizable portion of these sheeple telling them that he could pay for his leftist ideology with pixie dust.

I don't remember that. Do you have a citation?

How else could he possibly pay for all his socialist election promises? Either pixie dust or increasing tax rates to such an extent that the tax rates in some Scandinavian countries in comparison would become very low taxing nations!

 

[angelo]

Trump was a liar but came across as strong and focused to a large segment.

Hilary came across as weak lacking focus and clear specificity.

do not equate Hulary with Trump, however Hilary is a seasoned experienced calculating politician. In short duplicitous. She got causgt in leaked documents. She like all white democrats politicians pandered to blacks and it did not work for her.

People could not figure out what ecsctly she stood for, myself included. Trump spoke from the heart, Hilary to me was shifty and cacluting every word. When she spoe her eyes were diverted and he head looking away. You could see the wheels turning as she spoke.

I did not vote. I did not Hilary as being any better as president.

Yes she has dine good things through her foundation and has championed rights issues, but I still have no idea who she is.

She did get the most votes. However, I agree that she was boring and uninspiring. The big problem with democrats is that we tend to elect boring policy wonks. I fear that our next candidate will be another boring policy expert: Sanders, Warren, Booker, or Biden. All four know the issues. Have great ideas. But they lack inspirational leadership. Trump supports will drive through concrete walls to support him. I'm sorry, but the barriers are against the democrats. Due to the electoral college and gerrymandering: our votes count for less. Just to win an election with a majority isn't going to cut it for us. We have to overwhelming win. I pray to the GFSM that we can find a truly inspirational democrat for the next election, or we are toast.

Bernie Sanders is boring? Must be why millions of young people are energized by his ideas.

Offer most young people free goodies like free uni education and they'll tear down all barriers to support you! Same thing happened in the UK. That anti semetic loony left winger Jeremy Corbyn also got the majority of young people voting for him.

 

[untermensche]

Bernie Sanders is boring? Must be why millions of young people are energized by his ideas.

Offer most young people free goodies like free uni education and they'll tear down all barriers to support you! Same thing happened in the UK. That anti semetic loony left winger Jeremy Corbyn also got the majority of young people voting for him.

You are very ignorant of what motivated these people.

They understand that the only reason to have an economy is to serve the humans in your society.

When you have humans serving the system and not the system serving humans you are in a nightmare.

You now have put the biggest assholes with mental problems, like Trump, in charge of your economy.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I honestly don't know what advice I would give to Democrats at this point. That being said, I would caution them about taking advice from either one of the Clintons.

The DLC, blue dog Democrats are a part of the problem facing the country. They validated the country's move to the right. They validated the country's turn to selfish individualism that we see displayed daily here by our resident conservatives and libertarians.

We all are involved in a class war and the Clintons and the other DLC Democrats early on decided to surrender instead of fighting. This left the vast majority of Americans with little support in the war.

My tin drum that no one listens to ...

Show

The class war was started by the already rich for purely economic reasons to direct as much of the nation's income to themselves as possible. But obviously, it couldn't be fought in these terms by acknowledging this goal, which economically disadvantages 98% of the country. So it is being fought by dividing the people who are being economically disadvantaged against one another over other mainly cultural issues, supported by the lifeblood of conservatism; lies, fear mongering, hypocrisy, slander and conspiracy theories, a few real but most are fabricated, along a divide that has always existed in the country, the one between conservatives and liberals.

The division between liberals and conservatives historically was about the means of change and the speed of change, but with a broad consensus about the goals of what we were trying to accomplish. In fact, those goals are the very goals of liberal democracy that are the nominal reasons that justified the founding of our nation, greater individual and economic freedom, greater social justice, the rule of law, and the equal protection of human rights for all of the people, not just for the privileged few.

The class war changed slowly these goals. It was sufficient to pass laws guaranteeing equality, we didn't have to achieve equality. Social justice was eliminated as a goal because it is impossible to achieve because the poor are the ones responsible for poverty. Gender equality suffered from both, it is sufficient to write the laws making it illegal to discriminate because of gender, we don't have to then enforce those laws and it is impossible to achieve because of the biological differences in the sexes.

Government is about two things primarily, security, from both internal and external threats, and the economy, defining it and enforcing the rules to punish and thereby to hopefully prevent bad behavior. The class war says that there is a magical form of capitalism that not only doesn't need these things from government, but that can also perform better without these things from the government.

Of course, what they really mean is that profits and the incomes of the already rich would be higher without the taxes and the economic externalities that government imposes on businesses and that we could restore the supply side dominance in the economy by pretending that money is a rare and limited resource and by expanding the endeavors that require capital by having private enterprise take over the functions of the government and of the parts of the economy now in the hands of professionals like medical care, education, and jurisprudence. These are at the best doubtful, at the worst destructive.

The only advantage of supporting the Democrats is that their policies would shift less of the nation's income to the already rich and transfer it slower than the Republicans policies would. This isn't a big win compared to the previous conservative/liberal dynamic of achieving more social justice, equality and the elimination of poverty and arguing how much government intervention is required to do these and how fast or slowly we should do them.

Yea, I'm a bluedog. Proud of it. There are millions and millions of Americans who are fiscally conservative and culturally liberal. Fundamentally I trust those in the middle more than people on the wings. Having said that, I feel that our current safety net is too low, college is becoming inaccessible for the working class, pro economic development, pro union, and pro universal health care.

But it's very disappointing that the only issue that you care about is this "class war". You don't care about the environment? You don't care about republicans gutting our federal parks? You don't care about clean air act? You think it's fine to rip up historic trade and peace accords? Don't care about UN involvement? Fine with lowering church and state restrictions? Don't care about women having control of their bodies? Think it's fine to favor 300 coal jobs vs thousands of solar jobs? Think it's no big deal to take health care coverage away from millions? Cool to not require coverage for existing health conditions? I could go on.

For me, I will fight against any politician who doesn't understand how serious climate change is. To me, there is no other bigger issue. And the differences between the two parties on this issue are extremely clear.

No offense, but everyone claims to be fiscally conservative.

What does this even mean anymore? Hell, the dems are more fiscally conservative than the GOP and this has been true for at least the last 50 years. That is, if you define fiscally conservative the old fashioned way (trying to balance the budget, passing budgets and bills that help the overall economy). It's meaningless twaddle now, when coming from politicians, and most people, because they make the claim, but then don't actually do it. We all know that just making the claim is enough in the GOP as long as you have (R) after your name, though.

I'm curious if anyone has ever claimed to be fiscally liberal.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Bernie Sanders is boring? Must be why millions of young people are energized by his ideas.

Of course. Most of his ideas would greatly benefit younger voters. But young people don't vote. It's not that I disagree with his polices, but I just find him slightly more inspirational than HRC. But not by much. We need an extremely charismatic, tough, inspirational, rich character who can win free press coverage to beat Trump in 2020. I voted for HRC last time and would have voted for Bernie - but they are unable to beat Trump.

Sanders is inspirational.

I disagree. It doesn't matter much though, because I'll vote for a boring policy wonk over someone who's "inspirational", but doesn't seem to have a clue about politics.

- - - Updated - - -

Trump was a liar but came across as strong and focused to a large segment.

Hilary came across as weak lacking focus and clear specificity.

do not equate Hulary with Trump, however Hilary is a seasoned experienced calculating politician. In short duplicitous. She got causgt in leaked documents. She like all white democrats politicians pandered to blacks and it did not work for her.

People could not figure out what ecsctly she stood for, myself included. Trump spoke from the heart, Hilary to me was shifty and cacluting every word. When she spoe her eyes were diverted and he head looking away. You could see the wheels turning as she spoke.

I did not vote. I did not Hilary as being any better as president.

Yes she has dine good things through her foundation and has championed rights issues, but I still have no idea who she is.

She did get the most votes. However, I agree that she was boring and uninspiring. The big problem with democrats is that we tend to elect boring policy wonks. I fear that our next candidate will be another boring policy expert: Sanders, Warren, Booker, or Biden. All four know the issues. Have great ideas. But they lack inspirational leadership. Trump supports will drive through concrete walls to support him. I'm sorry, but the barriers are against the democrats. Due to the electoral college and gerrymandering: our votes count for less. Just to win an election with a majority isn't going to cut it for us. We have to overwhelming win. I pray to the GFSM that we can find a truly inspirational democrat for the next election, or we are toast.

People who want to elect "leaders" are people who want to be led. Where would you like the leash attached, to your neck or your balls?

I want competent people to be elected that will be led by the people.

Pretty much this.

 

[untermensche]

Over the last 18 years we have seen people who claim to be fiscally conservative attack another country.

Forget the morality.

Just cold hard fiscal policy.

You must attack. Fine.

Do you tax those who are being protected by the attack or pass the bill along?

Which is fiscally conservative?

 

[Politesse]

Over the last 18 years we have seen people who claim to be fiscally conservative attack another country.

Forget the morality.

Just cold hard fiscal policy.

You must attack. Fine.

Do you tax those who are being protected by the attack or pass the bill along?

Which is fiscally conservative?

Borrow, borrow, borrow! The next generation can pick up the tab, just like last time. And when their Recession hits, we can call them lazy moochers for wanting a basic livelihood, too.

"Conservativism" in this country has become a parody.

 

[Trausti]

Over the last 18 years we have seen people who claim to be fiscally conservative attack another country.

Forget the morality.

Just cold hard fiscal policy.

You must attack. Fine.

Do you tax those who are being protected by the attack or pass the bill along?

Which is fiscally conservative?

Borrow, borrow, borrow! The next generation can pick up the tab, just like last time. And when their Recession hits, we can call them lazy moochers for wanting a basic livelihood, too.

"Conservativism" in this country has become a parody.

That's both Dems and Reps.

 

[untermensche]

Over the last 18 years we have seen people who claim to be fiscally conservative attack another country.

Forget the morality.

Just cold hard fiscal policy.

You must attack. Fine.

Do you tax those who are being protected by the attack or pass the bill along?

Which is fiscally conservative?

Borrow, borrow, borrow! The next generation can pick up the tab, just like last time. And when their Recession hits, we can call them lazy moochers for wanting a basic livelihood, too.

"Conservativism" in this country has become a parody.

That's both Dems and Reps.

But one side claims to be conservative.

 

[skepticalbip]

I don't think the state will long survive the abandonment of civil discourse. That doesn't mean this viewpoint is unreasonable, but it must be understood that if everyone holds it, there is no country to be fighting over, or won't be shortly.

Exactly...

The problem is that Hillary's statement, "You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about," only drives a wedge and promotes even more hatred rather than discourse. That statement could equally be expressed by someone in the republican leadership. The Republican would see the Democrat party as "wanting to destroy what they stand for, what they care about". Would that Republican be as justified as proclaiming that Republicans should not be civil with Democrats? So far, Republicans are not mobbing and screaming at Democrats and running them out of restaurants. If things don't cool down, we may soon, to the the detriment of civility and the nation.