The High Cost of Believe Women

[RVonse]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/a-terrible-college-case-shows-the-high-cost-of-believe-women/

From coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims. Judges, accustomed to the value of due process, often find themselves stunned at the unfairness of campus proceedings. And if you think that wrongful convictions for sexual assault aren’t serious because the men don’t go to prison, well then talk to the young men whose careers and reputations are shattered before they’ve had a chance to build a life.


They provide an example of a guy who lost his ROTC scholarship because of a fake rape accusation. Apparently the colleges do not want males to go to school anymore. I'm wondering where this will end up. Maybe they will have male colleges and female colleges in the future.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And when they get thrown out they still have their student loans even though they don't have the degree--they are in a financial mess for the rest of their life.

 

[Patooka]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

You expect them to list every such suit in the article?

And note that the suits are only the worst abuses, cases where they feel it's so outlandish the jury will have no doubt the university was in the wrong. The majority of them will be too weak to bring suit about.

 

[Patooka]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

You expect them to list every such suit in the article?

And note that the suits are only the worst abuses, cases where they feel it's so outlandish the jury will have no doubt the university was in the wrong. The majority of them will be too weak to bring suit about.

I expect statistics, not rhetorical hyperbole. How many suits of this nature are being brought to the courts, how much this has increased over a five year period that sort of thing.

You know, facts. But then I saw it was a National Review article and realized I had unrealistic expectations. I don't think a single number was mentioned in the scare blog. "This happened one time, therefore it's happening everywhere" is a fucking terrible argument.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

You expect them to list every such suit in the article?

And note that the suits are only the worst abuses, cases where they feel it's so outlandish the jury will have no doubt the university was in the wrong. The majority of them will be too weak to bring suit about.

I expect statistics, not rhetorical hyperbole. How many suits of this nature are being brought to the courts, how much this has increased over a five year period that sort of thing.

You know, facts. But then I saw it was a National Review article and realized I had unrealistic expectations. I don't think a single number was mentioned in the scare blog. "This happened one time, therefore it's happening everywhere" is a fucking terrible argument.

1) Think they have the budget for that kind of research?

2) It still only shows the tip of the iceberg anyway.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I expect statistics, not rhetorical hyperbole. How many suits of this nature are being brought to the courts, how much this has increased over a five year period that sort of thing.

You know, facts. But then I saw it was a National Review article and realized I had unrealistic expectations. I don't think a single number was mentioned in the scare blog. "This happened one time, therefore it's happening everywhere" is a fucking terrible argument.

1) Think they have the budget for that kind of research?

2) It still only shows the tip of the iceberg anyway.

No. It's a growler. Maybe a bergy bit.

 

[marc]

I expect statistics, not rhetorical hyperbole. How many suits of this nature are being brought to the courts, how much this has increased over a five year period that sort of thing.

You know, facts. But then I saw it was a National Review article and realized I had unrealistic expectations. I don't think a single number was mentioned in the scare blog. "This happened one time, therefore it's happening everywhere" is a fucking terrible argument.

1) Think they have the budget for that kind of research?

2) It still only shows the tip of the iceberg anyway.

I’m sure Trump will back you up on this. It is probably those millions of illegal voters doing it too.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I expect statistics, not rhetorical hyperbole. How many suits of this nature are being brought to the courts, how much this has increased over a five year period that sort of thing.

You know, facts. But then I saw it was a National Review article and realized I had unrealistic expectations. I don't think a single number was mentioned in the scare blog. "This happened one time, therefore it's happening everywhere" is a fucking terrible argument.

1) Think they have the budget for that kind of research?

They must, or else their claim that it’s from “coast to coast” is a lie.

2) It still only shows the tip of the iceberg anyway.

It has already been conclusively proved to you several times that this is not true.

You are desperately defending blatant propaganda now. Why?

 

[laughing dog]

And when they get thrown out they still have their student loans even though they don't have the degree--they are in a financial mess for the rest of their life.

Do you have any data or evidence of this alleged problem?


One issue with the National Review article and its dupes is that typically all they know and all that is publicized is the plaintiff's allegations. Unless the suit goes to trial, privacy laws for student behavior prevent the schools from publicly airing their side.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The High Cost of Believe Women - a grammatically incorrect title with an op referencing National Review of all sites with anecdotal evidence and out of proportion hyperbolic statements.

Even so, not the worst thread I have ever seen...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

You expect them to list every such suit in the article?

I'd certainly like a number.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/a-terrible-college-case-shows-the-high-cost-of-believe-women/

From coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims. Judges, accustomed to the value of due process, often find themselves stunned at the unfairness of campus proceedings. And if you think that wrongful convictions for sexual assault aren’t serious because the men don’t go to prison, well then talk to the young men whose careers and reputations are shattered before they’ve had a chance to build a life.


They provide an example of a guy who lost his ROTC scholarship because of a fake rape accusation. Apparently the colleges do not want males to go to school anymore. I'm wondering where this will end up. Maybe they will have male colleges and female colleges in the future.

Yes, rape accusations on campus are overwhelming, and young men across America are fleeing higher education.

 

[Derec]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/a-terrible-college-case-shows-the-high-cost-of-believe-women/

From coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims. Judges, accustomed to the value of due process, often find themselves stunned at the unfairness of campus proceedings. And if you think that wrongful convictions for sexual assault aren’t serious because the men don’t go to prison, well then talk to the young men whose careers and reputations are shattered before they’ve had a chance to build a life.


They provide an example of a guy who lost his ROTC scholarship because of a fake rape accusation. Apparently the colleges do not want males to go to school anymore. I'm wondering where this will end up. Maybe they will have male colleges and female colleges in the future.

Unfortunately many posters on here do not think any of these men are falsely accused. Even more unfortunately. many Democratic politicians share that view, for example Kristin Gillebrand.

 

[Derec]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

It's called an example, but there have been many cases of wrongful expulsions after unsubstantiated accusations. There have been many threads on a lot of those cases on here - Columbia (Mattress Girl), UND, UGA, Vasser, UVA, Occidental, Amherst etc. It is a wide-spread phenomenon, especially Obama and Biden forced universities to lower burden of proof for sexual assault investigations and only sexual assault investigations.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So this one case at the University of California–Santa Barbara is proof positive of "coast to coast, accused students — typically men punished for sexual assault with barely a chance to defend themselves — are filing lawsuits containing often-shocking claims."

Stay classy National Review.

It's called an example, but there have been many cases of wrongful expulsions after unsubstantiated accusations. There have been many threads on a lot of those cases on here - Columbia (Mattress Girl), UND, UGA, Vasser, UVA, Occidental, Amherst etc. It is a wide-spread phenomenon.

Duh.

Of course it's a wide phenomenon. Even if .5% of women were lying, it'd still be from "coast to coast" and other spooky claims.

 

[Derec]

Of course it's a wide phenomenon. Even if .5% of women were lying, it'd still be from "coast to coast" and other spooky claims.

0.5%? Where did you get that nonsense? I would say more like half with these college accusations, as most are regretted consensual hookups.

By the way, remember how long certain posters on here continued to believe Jackie Coakley, the UVA false accuser?
Yet another bombastic rape claim bites the dust
Even mods in that thread continued to censor the false accuser's image and last name long after it has been shown she was a lying liar who lied.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Unfortunately many posters on here do not think any of these men are falsely accused.

Nice generalization. In regard to the ONE example examined in the OP article, however, and based on the Second Appellate Court document, it is clear that the accusation was not "fake" (i.e., deliberately false). The question raised in the appeal was not a matter of the woman making anything up; the question was whether or not what she experienced was the result of a side effect of the anti-depressant she was on (combined with the alcohol she consumed) or something that actually happened to her.

So no matter what, the article is bullshit as it deliberately misconstrued what actually happened in the case.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Of course it's a wide phenomenon. Even if .5% of women were lying, it'd still be from "coast to coast" and other spooky claims.

0.5%? Where did you get that nonsense?

You could have told I was being hypothetical by the word "if," and it is still correct. Even if the number were .5% it'd still be a wide phenomenon and "coast to coast." So using those words makes little sense. One ought to give an idea of the statistics before the outrage, not hyperbole, then echo chamber outrage to you.

I would say more like half with these college accusations, as most are regretted consensual hookups.

Well, you'd be wrong. There is no reason for it to be more than the regular number which is very low.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And when they get thrown out they still have their student loans even though they don't have the degree--they are in a financial mess for the rest of their life.

Do you have any data or evidence of this alleged problem?


One issue with the National Review article and its dupes is that typically all they know and all that is publicized is the plaintiff's allegations. Unless the suit goes to trial, privacy laws for student behavior prevent the schools from publicly airing their side.

Cases keep coming up and have on occasion been discussed here. Just because this one was mentioned in the National Review doesn't mean the others vanished.

 

[RVonse]

Yes, rape accusations on campus are overwhelming, and young men across America are fleeing higher education.

You are absolutely right Jimmy. Yes its already happening. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/