Multiple casualties at Pittsburgh synagogue - Shooter says "All these Jews need to die"

[Patooka]

No worries. I'm happy with the status quo. It's encouraging you and your friends have no rational, reasonable argument to change anything. You're armed only with insults and heated rhetoric. Have a really nice day!

Fuckit, a few days ago I found a vehicle...

 

[RavenSky]

And there goes Max... running away and completely ignoring all those who posted what he claimed he wanted to see - "middle ground solutions" - while accusing everyone of his own non-discussion diversion tactics.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

No worries. I'm happy with the status quo. It's encouraging you and your friends have no rational, reasonable argument to change anything. You're armed only with insults and heated rhetoric. Have a really nice day!

Fuckit, a few days ago I found a vehicle...

Good for you! Every young man needs a car.

 

[blastula]

Bear with me here genius.
I know that the Armalite model wasn't manufactured during the Second World War. ...

Awesome recovery. Google is your friend, eh?

Reading comprehension is not your friend.

No worries. I'm happy with the status quo. It's encouraging you and your friends have no rational, reasonable argument to change anything. You're armed only with insults and heated rhetoric. Have a really nice day!

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[RavenSky]

He had 21 guns registered in his name and carried out the massacre with an AR-15-style assault rifle and three handguns, the authorities have said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/us/pittsburgh-shooting-robert-bowers.html

This should be a red flag unless the person has a Federal Firearms License to act as a dealer or gunsmith

US Attorney Scott Brady made a brief statement after the synagogue shooting suspect's court appearance today.

Brady said suspect Robert Bowers will remain in custody without bond. His next court appearance is set for Thursday.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

[marc]

All right, some specific middle ground solutions.

1) bring back the assault weapons ban
2) background checks required for ALL gun sales. Online, gun shows, private sales, no exceptions
3) ban on bump-stocks, and any other gun modification product that works as a loophole to automatic weapons restrictions
3) increase funding and access for mental health
4) anyone on the no-fly list should also be barred from gun purchases

Can probably come up with more, but this is a good start.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, I just want you to be honest with yourself, that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of 2nd amendment rights.

Awesome phrasing, but a false equivalency since my Second Amendment rights, and more to the point, my natural unalienable right of self-defense, didn't kill those people.

LWers are blaming Trump's rhetoric on inflaming the nutjobs.

The mail bomber sent bombs to everyone that Trump personally targetted in Tweets and campaign rallies. The shooter was an outright extremist, who was outside even the Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller circles.

Also, the inalienable right for self-defense must abide by biology, you only have two hands.

Be honest with yourself, "that you view these lost lives as acceptably expendable in lieu of <1st> amendment rights". See how that works? Would you answer the same question put to you regarding the 1st Amendment as you did to me?

You are aware that it is against the law to make a call to violence, right? There are actually a decent number of restrictions on speech.

Again, despite the meme being spread by the anti-gun Left that the US has a "gun problem", the fact remains banning guns wouldn't cure mental illness nor solve gang and criminal problems. It'd simply chip away at the Constitutional limits on the Federal government.

Seriously, I'm so tired of reading and hearing about people that trot out the ole "mental health" bullshit after and only after the latest massacre. Also, I think it is marvelous that people that insist on 2nd Amendment rights beyond reason seem quite fine with the Government getting involved in labeling whether people are legally sane enough to own a gun. We are to seriously believe that is an option?

No, the reality is that the guns aren't going anywhere and these massacres will continue, plenty every year. And as you note in the post above, you are fine with that, as long as you can have your guns. Their lives don't matter as much as your guns.

 

[RavenSky]

All right, some specific middle ground solutions.

1) bring back the assault weapons ban
2) background checks required for ALL gun sales. Online, gun shows, private sales, no exceptions
3) ban on bump-stocks, and any other gun modification product that works as a loophole to automatic weapons restrictions
3) increase funding and access for mental health
4) anyone on the no-fly list should also be barred from gun purchases

Can probably come up with more, but this is a good start.

5) A national standard preventing convicted domestic abusers & stalkers from having/obtaining any firearms, including those convicted of misdemeanors.
6) Required and continuing gun training
7) Requirements for storage with heavy penalties for breaches.
8) Required casualty insurance for registered gun owners for anything that happens with their gun (unless they have a previous police report showing it was stolen and that they had it properly secured at the time)

 

[Patooka]

No worries. I'm happy with the status quo. It's encouraging you and your friends have no rational, reasonable argument to change anything. You're armed only with insults and heated rhetoric. Have a really nice day!

Fuckit, a few days ago I found a vehicle...

Good for you! Every young man needs a car.

I hope one day someone explains to you to meaning of the word irony.

Like, for example, someone who uses an iconic figure but is ignorant of such films surrounding such a figure. (Apologies, Ford; I just couldn't resist)


Very good job on dodging my other facts to perpetuate your Thunderdome wet dream, by the way.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

...I hope one day someone explains to you to meaning of the word irony....

I see it every day whenever a LW authoritarian is thwarted from infringing upon the rights of American citizens.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Yeah... like military bases

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Excellent false narrative. Anyone who shoots police officers isn't a "good guy", but thanks for your intimation that there are no actual good guys with guns. Typical.

So, it's as I said in the first place. You think you are the "thought police" or you want to arm bad guys with guns.

Which is it?

Neither, but now you have my curiosity up. Why do you think I'm either one?

Because there aren't any other options.

Do you think Robert Bowers should have had an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle and multiple handguns? Or no?

It's a common misconception, but there are very strict limits on being allowed to bring firearms onto military installations. So strict, in fact, that most gun nuts would probably freak out about the loss of 'freedumb' if they had an inkling.

I currently work on a military installation.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

All right, some specific middle ground solutions.

1) bring back the assault weapons ban
2) background checks required for ALL gun sales. Online, gun shows, private sales, no exceptions
3) ban on bump-stocks, and any other gun modification product that works as a loophole to automatic weapons restrictions
3) increase funding and access for mental health
4) anyone on the no-fly list should also be barred from gun purchases

Can probably come up with more, but this is a good start.

1) Translation: ban semi-automatic rifles. Sorry, no. It's a BS rule using a made-up term. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon" except in the minds of anti-gun LWers.

2) Translation: make it illegal for a father to buy his 12 year old child a .22 rifle for Christmas without traipsing them down to the local LW anti-gun bureau for fingerprinting and a background check. Same goes for a father letting their kid shooting the father's .22 single-shot rifle. In California this is considered an "illegal transfer of weapon".

3) Agreed. It's a bullshit toy only good for spraying a lot of bullets around without accuracy. The first time I heard about them was due to Las Vegas.


4) (3) Mental health care. Agreed. Most chronically homeless are mentally ill. We also need the legislation to backup, protect and support, the rights of American citizens. We don't want to see a return to the 1950s where, when divorce was illegal, a man with means could get his wife committed then divorce her on that basis. Not only do we need laws to commit the mentally ill, but to restore rights if cured. Example: a college student is depressed because a roommate commits suicide. He gets treatment. 30 years later, as a successful and fully healthy businessman and grandfather he seeks to buy a shotgun to take his grandson rabbit hunting only to find he's banned from owning a gun due to being "mentally ill". Same thing for vets. Obama tried this and I didn't like it then either.

5) (4) Another thing Obama tried. The problem is the precedent of depriving a person of rights without due process. There are children on the "no-fly list". Obviously they don't belong there. Others have found themselves on wrongfully put on that list: https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/poli...cat-stevens-ted-kennedy-john-lewis/index.html Any rule the LW comes up with for denying a person the right to self-defense should include the right to vote too. If it can pass a "vote" test, then it's probably okay. FWIW, I favor restoring a felon's rights upon completion of their sentence, including probation. If they don't deserve to vote or have a gun, they shouldn't be running around loose.

 

[Worldtraveller]

(they don't wear special hats)

Sure they do - it makes them feel like Superman!

I would suggest if the hat has the words "Make America Great Again", you might be able to identify the right wing nutjobs.

 

[Worldtraveller]

...The idea that you're pushing - that a "good guy with a gun" on the scene is a fool proof deterrent and/or magical solution - is demonstrably bullshit.....

Jesus fucking Christ. More false accusations from the anti-gun far Left. Where did I ever claim self-defense was "fool proof" or "magical"?

Here's the basic premise: It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it. Feel free to lie, spin or do whatever you like to hate on that idea.

But statistically, this is backwards. Statistically, you're much more likely (in the US) to have a gun, and have something bad happen to you that is either caused by the gun, an accident of your own making, or the gun is useless because you're not quick draw McGraw with body armor.

Although I don't know why I'm engaging you, you've pretty much been trolling here since day one and rarely have anything of interest to say, and when you get corrected, respond with 'good day to you' as if you're some special sort of ....something.

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...The idea that you're pushing - that a "good guy with a gun" on the scene is a fool proof deterrent and/or magical solution - is demonstrably bullshit.....

Jesus fucking Christ. More false accusations from the anti-gun far Left.

Apparently I've joined the anti-gun far Left. Who knew?

Welcome to the club, I guess? I'll see if I can get your membership card mailed off. Secret handshake techniques will be sent in a separate, super secret video.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Are you denying you made two false accusations against me? As for you being anti-gun...

Maybe you should go out on the road and fight the Toecutter, Bronze...

Translation: You're right, Max.

Nice dodge. Who is Toecutter and Bronze? I was a Behavioral Psych major in college. One of the big draws to political forums for me are the "eccentric" personalities on them. Most, I suspect, are shut-ins; either due to age or mental fitness.

So which is it Max, are you old and infirm, or do you have mental issues?

 

[Ford]

Translation: You're right, Max.

Nice dodge. Who is Toecutter and Bronze? I was a Behavioral Psych major in college. One of the big draws to political forums for me are the "eccentric" personalities on them. Most, I suspect, are shut-ins; either due to age or mental fitness.

So which is it Max, are you old and infirm, or do you have mental issues?

You might even say Max is...mad.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Disagree. The presence of a "good guy with a gun" doesn't cause shooters to turn tail and run.

Nope--most mass shootings end when the shooter is faced with meaningful resistance even if they aren't actually stopped by it. This may be the police. It may be an armed person at the scene. It might even be unarmed people at the scene.

Agreed. The Texas art exhibit attack is one example, the Paris train terrorist attack is another.

Define 'most'. Because ya'll seemed to frown on use of actual statistics..... So put up or shut up. It seems a lot of these shootouts do end with the shooter dead, but only after they've killed a lot more people.

In a war, a kill/loss ratio > 1 generally implies superior tactics and 'winning'. Congratulations, ya'll are making it easier for the bad guys to win.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Here's what I don't understand.

Terrorists hijack planes and commit mass murder once, and airplane travel in and around the US changes overnight with security measures that would have seemed excessive only months prior.
A kid falls off an overpass bridge and safety fences are erected all over the place immediately.
Some fuckwit was being an idiot with fireworks and suddenly, they're harder to purchase than a gun.
A lawsuit that should have been thrown out now requires Rowenta to add the disclaimer "Never iron clothes while they are being worn".

Americans are notorious for having the stigma of excessive restrictions when something occurs not involving firearms. But mass shootings are now more frequent than a monthly occurence and yet nothing can be done. You need those shooters that make you look like an extra for Black Hawk Down because, well, reasons.

Unbelievable.

Also, a person was hurt (killed?) with lawn darts one. ONCE! And lawn darts have been banned in the US ever since.

The ammo-sexuals response to this difference, though, is simply "herpa derp , 2nd amendment!!!11elebenty-one11!!" Of course, they continue to ignore the opening clause of the 2nd amendment, much like so many of them cherry pick the bible.

 

[Worldtraveller]

An expected reply. Here's the deal; I'm fine with the status quo until someone comes up with a better, Constitutionally acceptable solution and not just assholish replies, insults and lies.

Just to be clear, the 'status quo' is children being murdered by the scores in schools, people shooting up churches, grocery stores, concerts, night clubs, and other places where people congregate in crowds and generally result in multiple (often dozens) of deaths per incident, to the order of tens of thousands a year.

You're going on the record as being ok with this?

 

[ZiprHead]

Max, what restrictions do you think are in the 2nd amendment? Are there any at all?