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The Sordid Tale Of Cyntoia Brown

So when faced between the possibility of a woman lying or the police lying you assume it's the police.

As for whether she robbed other johns--how would we know? They're generally not going to report it.

And I could easily see the situation being that she didn't like him as a client so she decided to kill him.

I’m assuming nothing. A minor who was being pimped out by the pimp who abused her—ALL sexual assaults as she was under the age of consent—after a lifetime of abuse and mental illness and zero history of ever being violent or attempting to rob a client makes the allegation that she decided to rob and murder this one client a bit suspect.

People don’t kill people for no reason. If he were sleeping, she could have robbed him without shooting him and saved herself a lot of trouble. I’m saying that not everything adds up in the nice neat package the police and prosecutors laid out.

You're still left with explaining the bullet that appears to be from behind while he's laying down.

No. I'm not.

I only said that it was a weird way to lay and that sometimes news reports are not completely accurate, missing details and that sometimes coroner's reports and police reports are also inaccurate or leave out details. To me, the crime scene as described does not make sense.
 
I don't know why she killed him either. I don't know for certain that it was not self defense. The coroner's report of his body position seems odd to me.

The position seems quite reasonable if she was holding him at gunpoint.

Why would she be?

It seems unlikely that she went with him in order to kill him and rob him. She has zero history of such behavior before and that's a really big step from turning tricks. Everything in her history paints the picture of her being a victim of abuse and of sex trafficking. There's nothing that suggests she was violent and during her time in prison, she's been described as a model prisoner.
 
It seems unlikely that she went with him in order to kill him and rob him. She has zero history of such behavior before and that's a really big step from turning tricks.
She has a history of violent behavior since she was 12 years old. According to the Nashville Scene article, her usual MO was to run off with the clients' money without providing the agreed upon service. So we have history of both violence and thieving (starting at age 12 when she stole some jewelry). Robbery and murder is an escalation, but not an unlikely one.

Everything in her history paints the picture of her being a victim of abuse and of sex trafficking.
Bullshit. Everything in her history paints the picture of somebody who is prone to violence, and probably a sociopath She is also very smart by all accounts. A smart sociopath can manipulate others, and I think she is manipulating you and others who think she is some sort of "victim" here.

]There's nothing that suggests she was violent and during her time in prison, she's been described as a model prisoner.
You could not be more wrong.
Nashville Scene said:
The following April [when she would have been 12 or 13], Cyntoia violated her probation when she assaulted a teacher.
[...]
a Department of Children's Services supervisor, at whom Cyntoia once hurled a chair,
[...]
She was involved in roughly 20 assaults on other students.
And after her arrest.
In a single day, she flew into a tantrum and tore down a light fixture and air-conditioning vent, requiring what's known as a four-point — every limb secured — and a dose of Thorazine. Then she attacked a nurse when she was refused a call to Ellenette.

"I shot that man in the back of the head," she allegedly screamed, "and bitch, I'm gonna shoot you three times in the back of the head and would love to see your blood splatter on the wall."
[...]
Through 2004 and 2005, Cyntoia was the kind of inmate who gave prison guards night sweats. She was written up repeatedly for hitting, kicking, punching, spitting and threatening the guards.

She also admitted to her adoptive mother that she executed her victim.

This was not self defense. It was cold-blooded murder with robbery as the motive.
 
who had just been raped by the guy she killed.
No she wasn't.

I do know that George Zimmerman flat out murdered a black child the same age and that was all fine.
The archives are back up (yay! although the quote formatting is off) so you can read that meathread again. I don't seem to recall Z killing Trayvon while the latter was naked and possibly asleep.
Neither do I recall Z robbing Trayvon after killing him.
No, instead I remember Trayvon whooping Z's ass (there are injuries to Z's head).
So the two cases have virtually nothing in common. Why do you and others keep bringing it up here?

We don’t like it much when black people kill white people but whites killing blacks? We’re kinda ok with that.

Well, there are many people (including you) who think Cynothia should not have been imprisoned. So you must be ok with blacks murdering whites ...
 
I'm surprised no one has put this up yet:
Just to be clear; the youtuber in question isn't advocating innocence in this particular case, he is suggesting clemency after spending almost the majority of her life in prison.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIWxvKdjOg[/youtube]
 
No she wasn't.

She was 16. He was 43. The age of consent in Tennessee is 18. It was statutory rape.

The archives are back up (yay! although the quote formatting is off) so you can read that meathread again. I don't seem to recall Z killing Trayvon while the latter was naked and possibly asleep.
Neither do I recall Z robbing Trayvon after killing him.
No, instead I remember Trayvon whooping Z's ass (there are injuries to Z's head).
So the two cases have virtually nothing in common. Why do you and others keep bringing it up here?

Zimmerman killed Martin after he followed the unarmed teenager who was walking back to his dad’s place with some junk food for his younger sibling.

Well, there are many people (including you) who think Cynothia should not have been imprisoned. So you must be ok with blacks murdering whites ...

I don’t recall saying that I thought she shouldn’t have received an appropriate sentence if convicted of an appropriate charge. She was grossly overcharged and received an entirely too harsh sentence.

The coroners report as I’ve seen it reported does not really make sense.

I also think you should lay off using the familiar names of black people you don’t actually know. It makes you seem especially racist.
 
She has a history of violent behavior since she was 12 years old. According to the Nashville Scene article, her usual MO was to run off with the clients' money without providing the agreed upon service. So we have history of both violence and thieving (starting at age 12 when she stole some jewelry). Robbery and murder is an escalation, but not an unlikely one.


Bullshit. Everything in her history paints the picture of somebody who is prone to violence, and probably a sociopath She is also very smart by all accounts. A smart sociopath can manipulate others, and I think she is manipulating you and others who think she is some sort of "victim" here.

]There's nothing that suggests she was violent and during her time in prison, she's been described as a model prisoner.
You could not be more wrong.
Nashville Scene said:
The following April [when she would have been 12 or 13], Cyntoia violated her probation when she assaulted a teacher.
[...]
a Department of Children's Services supervisor, at whom Cyntoia once hurled a chair,
[...]
She was involved in roughly 20 assaults on other students.
And after her arrest.
In a single day, she flew into a tantrum and tore down a light fixture and air-conditioning vent, requiring what's known as a four-point — every limb secured — and a dose of Thorazine. Then she attacked a nurse when she was refused a call to Ellenette.

"I shot that man in the back of the head," she allegedly screamed, "and bitch, I'm gonna shoot you three times in the back of the head and would love to see your blood splatter on the wall."
[...]
Through 2004 and 2005, Cyntoia was the kind of inmate who gave prison guards night sweats. She was written up repeatedly for hitting, kicking, punching, spitting and threatening the guards.

She also admitted to her adoptive mother that she executed her victim.

This was not self defense. It was cold-blooded murder with robbery as the motive.

https://www.nashvillescene.com/news...ot-an-adults-life-sentence-was-justice-served
 
If only she had been a police officer when she shot the unarmed man.

Then it would have been no crime at all.
 
You're still left with explaining the bullet that appears to be from behind while he's laying down.

No. I'm not.

I only said that it was a weird way to lay and that sometimes news reports are not completely accurate, missing details and that sometimes coroner's reports and police reports are also inaccurate or leave out details. To me, the crime scene as described does not make sense.

In other words, when faced with a datum that blows your position out of the water declare it wrong and ignore it.
 
I don't know why she killed him either. I don't know for certain that it was not self defense. The coroner's report of his body position seems odd to me.

The position seems quite reasonable if she was holding him at gunpoint.

Why would she be?

It seems unlikely that she went with him in order to kill him and rob him. She has zero history of such behavior before and that's a really big step from turning tricks. Everything in her history paints the picture of her being a victim of abuse and of sex trafficking. There's nothing that suggests she was violent and during her time in prison, she's been described as a model prisoner.

Ignoring the data again, I see.
 
Why would she be?

It seems unlikely that she went with him in order to kill him and rob him. She has zero history of such behavior before and that's a really big step from turning tricks. Everything in her history paints the picture of her being a victim of abuse and of sex trafficking. There's nothing that suggests she was violent and during her time in prison, she's been described as a model prisoner.

Ignoring the data again, I see.

Ignoring links as usual. No surprise here.
 
The lead detective is against giving clemency to this killer.
Many have called for Cyntoia Brown’s release. But a detective who worked the case says she shouldn’t get clemency.
Boston.com said:
One person mentioned in the letter, Richard Reed, told police Brown offered him money to drive back to Allen’s house so “she could get more items.” When he refused, Reed added Brown warned him not to talk about the incident or, “I’ll get you too.”
“Mr. Reed stated Cyntoia said I shot somebody in the head last night and blew his brains out,” Robinson wrote. “Mr. Reed stated Cyntoia said it was a fat lick (robbery). Mr. Reed stated Cyntoia also said she took $50,000, some guns and his truck.”

I think the people who believe Cyntoia Brown was some sort of victim here are being bamboozled by this manipulative criminal. I sure hope the governor is not easily bamboozled.
 
That's good. She definitely deserved to go to jail for robbing and murdering some dude, but the extenuating circumstances did make a life sentence an unreasonable punishment.
 
OMG, doesn't this governor understand that this sends the message to all female teenage sex slaves that if they kill one of the johns, they will get away with murder after serving 15 years in prison?
 
15 years seems fair enough to me. I certainly hope she got extensive counseling during that time but she probably did not.
 
She has a history of violent behavior since she was 12 years old. According to the Nashville Scene article, her usual MO was to run off with the clients' money without providing the agreed upon service.

And there it is, folks.
 
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