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The Sordid Tale Of Cyntoia Brown

I wonder what the conversation would have looked like if she were a blonde white girl?

Not having heard of or seen her before, I thought she was a white woman, in the photos. I looked again just now, and she still does. :)

But yes, I think it's generally accepted (so I have read many times) that black people, young and old, male and female, are often presumed to be less innocent (more guilty, get longer sentences etc) in mainly white societies, and that studies bear this out.
 
I wonder what the conversation would have looked like if she were a blonde white girl?
The radfems like you would still support her just because she is a woman. It's just that she would not have had the support of the "woke" BLM and Hotep crowd if she was blonde and white.


This is not about presumption of guilt or innocence. We know Cyntoia has engaged in crime since 12 years old, including violence. We know she robbed and murdered a man at 16. We know she continued her violent behavior after the murder as well.
None of these things depends on the color of her skin.
 
She has a history of violent behavior since she was 12 years old. According to the Nashville Scene article, her usual MO was to run off with the clients' money without providing the agreed upon service.

And there it is, folks.

And there is what exactly? Giving actual facts of the case instead of judging it based on the perpetrator's position on the progressive stack?
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/us/tennessee-cyntoia-brown-granted-clemency/index.html

I bet this is going to really upset the usual suspects. She served 15 years. 15 is a lot. Murder is a big deal but the extenuating circumstances of her age and being pimped would make 15 years be kind of reasonable.

Compared to 51 years she should have served based on a recent court decision, 15 is chump change. Governor Haslam is yet another simp getting bamboozled by this manipulative bitch!

Her age was used as extenuating circumstance to give her possibility of parole after 51 years, instead of life without parole or even death penalty. It should have remained at that, instead of giving her this sweetheart deal.

I do not think being "pimped" is relevant to the murder, as her victim wasn't the one who "pimped" her. And she probably wasn't pimped at all. Evidence suggests she was partners (sexual and business) with Cut Throat. He trusted her enough to give her his gun to do the robbery, which no sane person would do with a virtual slave.

Also note that the "woke" Cyntoia fans insist that she did nothing wrong and that she therefore should not have served any time at all. :(
 
OMG, doesn't this governor understand that this sends the message to all female teenage sex slaves that if they kill one of the johns, they will get away with murder after serving 15 years in prison?

The message Bill "Simp" Haslam is sending is that if a teenage girl pretends to be a prostitute in order to rob and murder a guy, she is somehow a "victim" and should not serve time appropriate for first degree murder. Hell, men usually get more than 15 just for robbing somebody, and this bitch will serve that for robbery and murder. SMH.
 
15 years seems fair enough to me. I certainly hope she got extensive counseling during that time but she probably did not.

A man can easily gotten 15 years just for armed robbery, even without the murder. I guess it pays to have been born female ...
 
Compared to 51 years she should have served based on a recent court decision, 15 is chump change. Governor Haslam is yet another simp getting bamboozled by this manipulative bitch!
That sounds just like something a misogynist would say.
Her age was used as extenuating circumstance to give her possibility of parole after 51 years, instead of life without parole or even death penalty. It should have remained at that, instead of giving her this sweetheart deal.
She did not get a sweetheart deal at her sentencing.
I do not think being "pimped" is relevant to the murder, as her victim wasn't the one who "pimped" her. And she probably wasn't pimped at all. Evidence suggests she was partners (sexual and business) with Cut Throat. He trusted her enough to give her his gun to do the robbery, which no sane person would do with a virtual slave.
I seriously doubt you are an expert on the Stockholm syndrome or abused people.
 
OMG, doesn't this governor understand that this sends the message to all female teenage sex slaves that if they kill one of the johns, they will get away with murder after serving 15 years in prison?

The message Bill "Simp" Haslam is sending is that if a teenage girl pretends to be a prostitute in order to rob and murder a guy, she is somehow a "victim" and should not serve time appropriate for first degree murder.
Do you have any evidence that she was pretending? If so, produce it.
Hell, men usually get more than 15 just for robbing somebody, and this bitch will serve that for robbery and murder. SMH.
Produce the evidence that men usually get more than 15 years for robbing someone. As for the rest of your post, you know it sounds like something a misogynist would say.
 
Not having heard of or seen her before, I thought she was a white woman, in the photos. I looked again just now, and she still does. :)
She is half-white, half-black. So she counts as black for purposes of progressive stacking.

But yes, I think it's generally accepted (so I have read many times) that black people, young and old, male and female, are often presumed to be less innocent (more guilty, get longer sentences etc) in mainly white societies, and that studies bear this out.
Cyntoia has a long history of violence even before she robbed and murdered that guy in cold blood. To pretend she got convicted because of her caffè latte colored skin is ridiculous.
 
Cyntoia has a long history of violence even before she robbed and murdered that guy in cold blood. To pretend she got convicted because of her caffè latte colored skin is ridiculous.
Um, her history of violence had nothing to do with the charges against her nor should they have played a role in her conviction. But go ahead and continue to attempt to cloud the issue by bringing up irrelevant facts.
 
Do you have any evidence that she was pretending? If so, produce it.
I already did, in one of the articles I posted upthread. Her MO was to get picked up and then steal the money without providing the service.
Read some details about the case. She is not some innocent victim defending herself people think she is.

Produce the evidence that men usually get more than 15 years for robbing someone.
It was a rhetorical hyperbole.
You are familiar with rhetorical devices, right?
It is certainly possible to get 15 years for armed robbery, especially with history of violent crime (which Cyntoia had).

As for the rest of your post, you know it sounds like something a misogynist would say.
Just because I do not think women should not get away with murdering men does not make me a "misogynist". On the other hand, people defending women who murder men are misandrists.

Again, this woman murdered somebody. That should not be excused just because of feminist and racist ideologies.
 
Um, her history of violence had nothing to do with the charges against her
Of course it does. It shows she was predisposed to violence. It puts a lie to the claim that she was an innocent victim who was defending herself. Read the detailed writeup about the case I posted upthread. Read also the statements by the lead detective, which I also posted upthread. Cyntoia Brown is guilty as sin and her sentence should not have been commuted!
nor should they have played a role in her conviction.
True. It should have been first degree murder and armed robbery regardless.
But certainly her history of violence should have influenced Haslam to deny clemency.

But go ahead and continue to attempt to cloud the issue by bringing up irrelevant facts.
Her history of violence is not irrelevant.
 
She did not get a sweetheart deal at her sentencing.
No. The jury and the judge got it right this time.
But unfortunately, robber and murderer Cyntoia was able to manipulate Haslam.
I seriously doubt you are an expert on the Stockholm syndrome or abused people.
I seriously doubt you are. The fact is that Cyntoia was engaging in a life of crime before she met Cut-Throat. That suggests they were partners.
Again, read the long writeup I posted.
 
Of course it does...
No, it does not. It sheds no light on what happened or why it happened or whether she is guilty or not. Your ideological blinders are inhibiting your rationality.
True. It should have been first degree murder and armed robbery regardless.
But certainly her history of violence should have influenced Haslam to deny clemency.
Apparently not. Apparently the idea that if she had committed the same crime today she would have received a 15 year sentence overrided your concerns.
Her history of violence is not irrelevant.
It is to any rational and humane person.
 
I seriously doubt you are.
I never claimed I was. And I did not make a claim of fact about what sane people would or would not do in that circumstand.
The fact is that Cyntoia was engaging in a life of crime before she met Cut-Throat. That suggests they were partners.
Obviously it suggests it to you. That does make your conclusion valid or relevant. But that won't stop your incessant ideologically driven claptrap.
Again, read the long writeup I posted.
I did.
 
No, it does not. It sheds no light on what happened or why it happened or whether she is guilty or not.
Of course it does. Best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Cyntoia has been engaging in violence since 12 years old, and yet when she robs and murders a man, she claims victimhood. Cry me a river!

Your ideological blinders are inhibiting your rationality.
Are you talking to yourself again?
You are the one with ideological blinders. You are even claiming a murderer having a history of violence is irrelevant, as you think of her as "victim" no matter what she actually did.

Apparently not.
That's because Haslam is an idiot. Judging from this thread, he is not the only one bamboozled by her though.

Apparently the idea that if she had committed the same crime today she would have received a 15 year sentence overrided your concerns.
Heh? Penalty for first degree murder is not 15 years in Tennessee.
Also, "overrided" is not a word.

It is to any rational and humane person.
Wrong. Past criminal history usually plays a role in sentencing. Have you never heard the terms "first offense" or "petty with a prior"?

She started her life of crime, including violent crime, at 12 years old. She robbed and murdered a man at 16, an age where being charged as an adult is common, especially for serious crimes. But somehow you think she is a "victim" because she is female and biracial.
 
I never claimed I was. And I did not make a claim of fact about what sane people would or would not do in that circumstand.
Then don't pretend you know more than me. Because you know far less.
Obviously it suggests it to you. That does make your conclusion valid or relevant.
I explained my reasoning. All you have is "no it isn't" like John Cleese from the Argument Clinic sketch and throwing around pop-psych buzzwords like "Stockholm syndrome".

But that won't stop your incessant ideologically driven claptrap.
You are talking to yourself yet again.
And? What do you have to say about it? Please be detailed.
 
Of course it does.
Logically, it says nothing about what actually happened and who actually did it. So, your claim is irrational.
Best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Cyntoia has been engaging in violence since 12 years old, and yet when she robs and murders a man, she claims victimhood.
More irrationality. There is nothing inherently inconsistent with being violent in the past and being a victim later on.

Are you talking to yourself again?
More irrationality.
You are the one with ideological blinders. You are even claiming a murderer having a history of violence is irrelevant, as you think of her as "victim" no matter what she actually did.
No, I am claiming that the history of violence is not relevant to the issue of her guilt in these crimes. I am not thinking of her as a victim. Your comments are irrational.

That's because Haslam is an idiot. Judging from this thread, he is not the only one bamboozled by her though.
He may be an idiot. However, his reasons for his decision appear thoughtful and rational, unlike your posts.

Heh? Penalty for first degree murder is not 15 years in Tennessee.
Huh, she was a minor at the time.
Wrong. Past criminal history usually plays a role in sentencing. Have you never heard the terms "first offense" or "petty with a prior"?
It is not relevant to her guilt or innocence of the crimes of which she was charged and convicted.
She started her life of crime, including violent crime, at 12 years old. She robbed and murdered a man. But somehow you think she is a victim.
She was also abused and pimpled out while she was underage. For some reason, you continually ignore that salient part of her history, while you claim that her history is relevant. But hey, doesn't matter, her sentence was commuted and all of your irrationality and rage cannot change that fact.
 
I wonder what the conversation would have looked like if she were a blonde white girl?
The radfems like you would still support her just because she is a woman. It's just that she would not have had the support of the "woke" BLM and Hotep crowd if she was blonde and white.


This is not about presumption of guilt or innocence. We know Cyntoia has engaged in crime since 12 years old, including violence. We know she robbed and murdered a man at 16. We know she continued her violent behavior after the murder as well.
None of these things depends on the color of her skin.

We know that Cyntoia Browne was an abused child who was raped repeatedly and trafficked while under the age of consent by a violent pimp. She was required to bring him money or would face additional violence. Men would purchase her services while being aware that she was too young to consent to sex under state statutes. That means that men committed statuatory rape on her.

I'm sorry if the thought that prostitutes might not actually be prostitutes because they enjoy sex with random creeps upsets you. I’m sorry if you must consider that prostitutes work for the money and would prefer the money with no sex.

I’m sorry if it upsets you that sometimes girls and women fight back.
 
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