The Wall

[barbos]

......Certainly a capital crime in YOUR home country, but in the US,....

Whataboutism much?

 

[Elixir]

......Certainly a capital crime in YOUR home country, but in the US,....

Whataboutism much?

No, not much. Just offering you an out, since you obviously don't understand how the US government is supposed to work.
Dems aren't refusing to "play along", barbos - they are refusing to cede their Constitutional powers to the Executive branch, as the Republicans have done.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's an interesting scenario... and should it come to pass, Trump will be loudly excoriating every congressional republican who votes to deny him his monument.

Of course. In truth, that is the only way to save HIM from having to cave, but if he says 'thanks,' it'll be as bad as if he caved.
So he has to act as if they betrayed him.

And by that point, I'm sure he will have convinced himself that they did betray him. That he was days away from a win when they stabbed him in the wall.

 

[Gun Nut]

......Certainly a capital crime in YOUR home country, but in the US,....

Whataboutism much?

Not even a little... You misuse the word here. Whataboutism is "never mind what I am doing, look at these other things instead"
What Elixir said was essentially, "your wrong about what this means here, but your right if it was happening somewhere else".

In other words, in a Democracy, the Senate isn't run by the president... in a dictatorship, it might be.

Actually... what barbos said is "whataboutism", now that I think about it... he essentially is saying "yabut, whatabout in a dictatorship.. then it would be different"
Yes barbos, "if it were different, then it would be different". indeed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But what is Fox telling Trump most Americans think? If Fox is blaming Dems, Trump will believe all of America blames the Dems, and he's winning. He just has to wait this out.


Nope.
Trump cannot end w/out money, and the Dems cannot offer money. Not at this point. Then the question for either of them becomes 'Why now, what changed? Why you no do this before the Govt. Payday?'

Same for the vaunted National Emergency. "If you were going to illegally raid the military coffers to pay for your vanity monument, why didn't you do it back in December, and spare us all from this stupid shutdown bullshit?"

So, Keith - where's your money? What's going to happen. (You may consult Mrs. &Co prior to answering if you wish )

Democrats refusing to play along IS national emergency

Congress passed a budget. The previous senate passed the same budget 100-0. Who is not playing along?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Democrats refusing to play along IS national emergency

Congress passed a budget. The previous senate passed the same budget 100-0. Who is not playing along?

The Democrats have not reneged on an agreed budget.

 

[barbos]

So many people have no sense of humor. Mind boggling.

 

[Worldtraveller]

So many people have no sense of humor. Mind boggling.

So many wannabe comedians don't get what's actually funny. Mind boggling.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

So many people have no sense of humor. Mind boggling.

Shitting one's pants is both funny and sad.

 

[angelo]

The Trumpet isn't the first, neither will he be the last to build human barriers!

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/a-world-of-walls-europes-lessons-in-border-barriers

 

[Elixir]

The Trumpet isn't the first, neither will he be the last to build human barriers!

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/a-world-of-walls-europes-lessons-in-border-barriers

Trumpet is nothing. He hasn't built any wall or any other barrier, except his own fat self, which is a barrier to effective government.

 

[ZiprHead]

“Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.” - General George Patton

 

[ZiprHead]

Nearly 400 Migrants Tunnel Under Border Wall to Enter United States from Mexico

There's that border wall for you.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well Trump did a good job of trying to make returning to the status quo seem like a negotiating ploy. I also liked how he complained about how other Presidents and Congresses didn't solve the immigration problem and one of his planks was to kick the can on DACA three years down the road.

The dumbest White House ever.

 

[barbos]

Well Trump did a good job of trying to make returning to the status quo seem like a negotiating ploy. I also liked how he complained about how other Presidents and Congresses didn't solve the immigration problem and one of his planks was to kick the can on DACA three years down the road.

The dumbest White House ever.

Eventually all dreamers will die of natural causes.

 

[angelo]

“Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.” - General George Patton

The Berlin Wall worked in keeping people in.

 

[ZiprHead]

“Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.” - General George Patton

The Berlin Wall worked in keeping people in.

Was it just the was the wall or was it the guard post towers every fifty yards heavily manned by soldiers with automatic weapons and the placement of land mines?

While some did make it safely across, it is unclear how many people exactly reached the western part. Some estimates claim that 5,000 East Germans reached West Berlin via the Wall. Men, women and children snuck through checkpoints, hid in vehicles and tunneled under the concrete.

 

[angelo]

“Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.” - General George Patton

The Berlin Wall worked in keeping people in.

Was it just the was the wall or was it the guard post towers every fifty yards heavily manned by soldiers with automatic weapons and the placement of land mines?

While some did make it safely across, it is unclear how many people exactly reached the western part. Some estimates claim that 5,000 East Germans reached West Berlin via the Wall. Men, women and children snuck through checkpoints, hid in vehicles and tunneled under the concrete.

Millions of East Berliners would have fled the socialist utopia of East Germany had that wall not been there. Another example are the various walls placed around and in Israel which reduced terrorist attacks by over 80%.

 

[ZiprHead]

Was it just the was the wall or was it the guard post towers every fifty yards heavily manned by soldiers with automatic weapons and the placement of land mines?

While some did make it safely across, it is unclear how many people exactly reached the western part. Some estimates claim that 5,000 East Germans reached West Berlin via the Wall. Men, women and children snuck through checkpoints, hid in vehicles and tunneled under the concrete.

Millions of East Berliners would have fled the socialist utopia of East Germany had that wall not been there. Another example are the various walls placed around and in Israel which reduced terrorist attacks by over 80%.

Way to dodge the question. I'll ask it again because it applies equally to the Israeli wall. Was it just the was the wall or was it the guard post towers every fifty yards heavily manned by soldiers with automatic weapons and the placement of land mines?