Bomb#20
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Yes! That's it exactly!Ideology is the death of thinking.
Right you are.It translates into nothing more than party loyalty.
What I believe in are moral principles.
Like: Any system of power and control has to justify itself. It has to show how the power and control is legitimate.
They have to make a moral case why the power over others and control of others is legitimate.
Controlling another because they cannot find an available means of survival without submitting to a kind of control, a dictatorial top-down control, is not legitimate control.
It is a form of generalized societal coercion. A forced return to the jungle where the strongest have control.
Um, you could answer that for yourself if only your thinking hadn't been killed by your ideology. "Democratically controlled work place" is a phrase that means the majority of the workers control the minority because the minority cannot find an available means of survival without submitting to control by the majority. The majority coerce the minority, the same way the boss coerces the employees in a traditional work place: via their needs.I don't know. It seems to me that your ideology is pretty coercive.
My system is a system of worker-owned and democratically controlled work places.
All control is horizontal control.
How is horizontal control coercive?
And thus the truth comes out. Not just "power", "more power". Just like practically every other self-described "anarchist", in the final analysis you aren't really interested in doing away with "arch" -- with power, with rule, with coercion. What you're interested in doing away with is inequality. As long as each individual coercer has no more power than each individual coercee -- as long as he gets his way by power of numbers rather than by power of an individual -- you're fine with coercion.Vertical control is coercive. Those at the top have more power than those at the bottom.
So why is counting more important to you than noncoercion? Because "three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner" is a legitimate moral principle? Hardly. Counting is more important to you than noncoercion because of ideology.
Just as is horizontal control.Undeniably and inherently coercive.