Another Day In The USA

[Loren Pechtel]

Driver's license is about permission to operate a car in public, not to own a car.

Everyone is free to own as many cars as they want with no inspections. Only if you want to take them out in public is any sort of inspection needed and that only in some areas.

So the gun is just there for show?

He's talking out his ass. I have in the past tried to buy a car without a license and subsequently told to pound sand. Many states require a license to purchase a car.

You'll need a license for a test drive. You'll need a license to drive it off the lot. Unless you pay by wire transfer (and is your average dealer even set up for wire transfer payments?) you'll need ID of some sort. In general a car dealer isn't going to have a special procedure to sell a car without a license as it would be so unusual for them. That doesn't mean the law requires it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Driver's license is about permission to operate a car in public, not to own a car.

Everyone is free to own as many cars as they want with no inspections. Only if you want to take them out in public is any sort of inspection needed and that only in some areas.

Which is a good start for guns. Of course, you can't just tuck a car into your pants and walk out with it.

Have you always been this bad at analogies?

You can have someone pick it up with a tow truck, though.

For that matter, twice now I have bought cars in a situation where the owner of record did not have a driver's license. (Estate planning trust.)

At one point my mother owned a car--never had a license, completely incapable of driving and didn't even know the basics. It simply sat on the driveway until it was sold. (Estate issue, it had been my father's car.)

 

[Half-Life]

I guess he's basing it on the UBI bullshit?

Honestly, it's like the manifesto itself was designed specifically to be ambiguously associable to both parties. But it was clear that the shooter was virulently anti-immigration which is the core of MAGA rhetoric at this point to the extent that Nazis were anti-Semitic.

Obama set a record for deportations. He was certainly anti-immigration. Didn't hear people call him a Nazi though. *shrugs*

Really?

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I'm talking about leftists.

 

[ZiprHead]

He's talking out his ass. I have in the past tried to buy a car without a license and subsequently told to pound sand. Many states require a license to purchase a car.

You'll need a license for a test drive. You'll need a license to drive it off the lot. Unless you pay by wire transfer (and is your average dealer even set up for wire transfer payments?) you'll need ID of some sort. In general a car dealer isn't going to have a special procedure to sell a car without a license as it would be so unusual for them. That doesn't mean the law requires it.

You can buy racing cars directly from the dealerships that go straight to the track. See the Ford GT Mk II and the Mustang GT 350R. Both stripped down to the bare minimum and enhanced racing engines. If you want to buy one of those and you bring a trailer, I don't think anyone would question whether you have a license or not.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

OK, so they own it but they can't use it. To relate that back to guns, it would mean that if you shoot someone who's breaking into your house with it, that would be felony murder because he died as a result of your illegal use of a firearm.

Nope--the legality of your possession of a weapon has no bearing on the legality of what you did with the weapon. Legally use an illegal weapon and you'll only be charged with having the illegal weapon. Do a battlefield pickup of a weapon you're not allowed to possess and there won't be charges at all.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

OK, so they own it but they can't use it. To relate that back to guns, it would mean that if you shoot someone who's breaking into your house with it, that would be felony murder because he died as a result of your illegal use of a firearm.

Nope--the legality of your possession of a weapon has no bearing on the legality of what you did with the weapon. Legally use an illegal weapon and you'll only be charged with having the illegal weapon. Do a battlefield pickup of a weapon you're not allowed to possess and there won't be charges at all.

But if you steal a car and kill a guy, that’s felony homicide, not vehicular homicide because the death occurred during the commission of a crime. Picking up a gun for immediate self defence isn’t s crime, but illegally using an unregistered weapon would be.

 

[Patooka]

I'm talking about leftists.

No, you're just talking shit, as per usual.

 

[Patooka]

That was my mistake. It was the Dayton shooter who was a staunch leftist. Why is there no fear coming from the left about their radical terrorism? First, antifa beats Andy Ngo within an inch of his life, then a leftist hurled Molotov cocktails at a border facility, and now we have a leftist shooter in Dayton. When will the leftist terrorism end?

 

[fast]

OK, so they own it but they can't use it. To relate that back to guns, it would mean that if you shoot someone who's breaking into your house with it, that would be felony murder because he died as a result of your illegal use of a firearm.

Nope--the legality of your possession of a weapon has no bearing on the legality of what you did with the weapon. Legally use an illegal weapon and you'll only be charged with having the illegal weapon. Do a battlefield pickup of a weapon you're not allowed to possess and there won't be charges at all.

But if you steal a car and kill a guy, that’s felony homicide, not vehicular homicide because the death occurred during the commission of a crime. Picking up a gun for immediate self defence isn’t s crime, but illegally using an unregistered weapon would be.

If I pick up a gun with the intent to steal it and you try to kill me and I defend myself, that would be very bad news for me. Not only will I be committing a crime (stealing a gun), but a death will have occured during the commission of that crime.

Being in possession of an unregistered gun may be a crime in some areas (not around my parts, but just sayin’), but it’s not a crime in action. If I didn’t steal a car, I haven’t committed a crime, but if I borrow what I think is your car but you stole it, yes I’m in possession of a stolen car (and though that may be a crime, it’s not in action), so if I run someone over inadvertently, the difference between the homicides become (I would think) relevant. My only crime is possession and operating. I didn’t steal either the car in one case or the gun in the other. It’s not an active crime.

 

[Derec]

[idiotic cartoon]

Typical "DailyKos" nonsense.

1. The "milk"shaking was done not to any shooters but to people who antifas merely disagree with, like the journalist Andy Ngo.
2. Dayton shooter was antifa himself.

Dayton shooter Connor Betts may be antifa’s first mass killer

“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online.

By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle *Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)

In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In *response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, “Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

By June he tweeted: “I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding.” Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy’s resolution against antifa extremism.

A more nuanced approach to mass shootings would acknowledge left-wing violence as well, instead of either downplaying or justifying it.

 

[Derec]

No, you're just talking shit, as per usual.

Are you seriously denying that deadly violence from the left exists? You reposting that idiotic cartoon from DailyKos suggest as much.

 

[Derec]

Nope--the legality of your possession of a weapon has no bearing on the legality of what you did with the weapon. Legally use an illegal weapon and you'll only be charged with having the illegal weapon.

True. That's what happened to Bernie Goetz after all - he was acquitted of shooting the guys who were trying to rob him, but was convicted of possessing an unlicensed firearm (NYC has strict gun laws).

 

[Patooka]

No, you're just talking shit, as per usual.

Are you seriously denying that deadly violence from the left exists? You reposting that idiotic cartoon from DailyKos suggest as much.

Nope, I'm saying that deadly violence from

pales in comparison to the frequency and intensity of violent acts by right wing extremists. And arsehole media outlets like the daily wire and fox news are most definitely portraying milkshake throwing to be as hateful and violent as manifesto wielding shooters.

 

[Half-Life]

No, you're just talking shit, as per usual.

Are you seriously denying that deadly violence from the left exists? You reposting that idiotic cartoon from DailyKos suggest as much.

Nope, I'm saying that deadly violence from

pales in comparison to the frequency and intensity of violent acts by right wing extremists. And arsehole media outlets like the daily wire and fox news are most definitely portraying milkshake throwing to be as hateful and violent as manifesto wielding shooters.

They didn't just throw a milkshake at Andy Ngo. THEY BEAT HIM TO WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE!

 

[ZiprHead]

Nope, I'm saying that deadly violence from

pales in comparison to the frequency and intensity of violent acts by right wing extremists. And arsehole media outlets like the daily wire and fox news are most definitely portraying milkshake throwing to be as hateful and violent as manifesto wielding shooters.

They didn't just throw a milkshake at Andy Ngo. THEY BEAT HIM TO WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE!

A person beaten within an inch of his life doesn't leave the hospital the following morning after admittance.

Here's a more balanced view of the incident.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys

Last Saturday, the far-right Proud Boys group held a rally in Portland, Oregon. Left-wing groups, including the Portland branch of the militant antifa group, put together a counterprotest — whose attendees clashed with the Proud Boys. But the most notable instance of violence had nothing to do with the Proud Boys: It was an attack by counterprotesters on the conservative journalist Andy Ngo that reportedly sent him to the hospital.

In footage captured by Portland-based reporter Jim Ryan, demonstrators douse Ngo in milkshake, punch him, and yell at him. In short, it looks a lot like an unprovoked, unjustified, reprehensible assault on an observer — a journalist — merely because the protesters don’t like him.

But the aftermath of the attack — the narratives both sides have spun out of the basic facts established by the footage — is much trickier to assess.

 

[Derec]

Obama set a record for deportations. He was certainly anti-immigration.

Only in the left-wing value system where doing anything whatsoever against illegals means that you are "anti-immigration".

 

[Derec]

Nope, I'm saying that deadly violence from [The Left] pales in comparison to the frequency and intensity of violent acts by right wing extremists.

Tell that to the people in Dayton, OH. Or police officers shot by the #BlackLivesMatter guy in Dallas a few years ago. Etc.

And arsehole media outlets like the daily wire and fox news are most definitely portraying milkshake throwing to be as hateful and violent as manifesto wielding shooters.

"Milk"shake throwing and beating somebody are still assaults. Your idiotic cartoon portrayed "milk"shake thrower as some sort of hero unfairly maligned by the "right" when they are really nothing but politically motivated thugs.

 

[ZiprHead]

Or police officers shot by the #BlackLivesMatter guy in Dallas a few years ago. Etc.

If I remember right, that guy wasn't BLM. He thought the BLM wasn't radical enough.

 

[Derec]

Or police officers shot by the #BlackLivesMatter guy in Dallas a few years ago. Etc.

If I remember right, that guy wasn't BLM. He thought the BLM wasn't radical enough.

So #BLRM or even #OBLM?

 

[blastula]

Dayton shooter Connor Betts may be antifa’s first mass killer

“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent.

Posting an opinion piece from the NY Post is bad enough, but you buried the lede that the author is fascist apologist Andy Ngo, and naturally it's just his typical poorly thought out editorializing, like in this part,

The unanimous rejection of the El Paso shooter’s beliefs, including by President Trump, once more demonstrated the nation’s resolve against hard-right hate.

A more nuanced approach to mass shootings would acknowledge left-wing violence as well, instead of either downplaying or justifying it.

There has always been some leftist violence, but a more honest and germane report would point out that a mass shooting committed by a leftist (or by any political identity) is not a leftist (or other politics) shooting unless the act was related to those politics in a causal way. There has been no indication that is the case with the Dayton shooter, in contrast to the El Paso shooter who clearly targeted his victims to carry out his racist, anti-immigrant political goals.