Masturbation is natural stress relief. Its as natural as eating, sleeping, burping, or taking a dump. Its nothing to be ashamed of or proud of. It just is.
2) When you do it in preference to sex with your partner.
It wasn't supposed to make any mores sense than comparing drinking addiction with sex addiction. I accept they are seen by some as addictions. One is driven by genetics while the other is driven by social factors mainly lust. It's up to you to figure out which is which.*
*hint some get thirsty before the become drowsy others don't.
When did sexual attraction become a socially driven behavior? Are you saying I started to really like girls around age 12 because I saw other boys behaving as if they did?
2) When you do it in preference to sex with your partner.
But what if you're just really really good at it?
This is a good topic for the Morals & Principles subforum.
Why was/is masturbation often seen as immoral (to at least some degree)?
I don't know.
It is true that Christianity, for example, has tended to frown on it, and even today it is still considered a sin in many denominations.
My guess is that the answer to the question is multiple. Humans being a social species, we often frown on 'selfish' behaviours. And of course reproduction is the be all and end all 'goal' (consciously intended or otherwise) of every successful species, and one can't generally reproduce by having sex with oneself.
Q. I am 78 years old and have been married to my wife for 53 years. Lately I have begun to experience periodic impotence. My doctor recommends masturbation as he thinks my problem is psychological. Under these circumstances can masturbation be legitimate? Thank you.
A. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) has this to say about masturbation:
“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. ‘Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.’ ‘The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.’ For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of ‘the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved’ [internal quotes from Persona Humana, 9]” (2352).
The Catechism defines masturbation here, in fact two times, as the deliberate stimulation of the genitals in order to derive sexual pleasure. So the desired end is sexual pleasure, and the means by which that end is pursued is the stimulation of the genitals. And the Catechism teaches that choosing these means for that end is gravely disordered and always wrong.
Only uf you do it right.... i suggest some wime and a few stretching exercises.It is seen as a corruption of natural impulses.
Seems confused. If sex is the ultimate pleasure, wouldn't it seem natural to seek more and more of it?People wear butt plugs. All that to me is bizarre and repents loss of self esteem and image. A need for constant sexual stimulation.
Only uf you do it right.... i suggest some wime and a few stretching exercises.It is seen as a corruption of natural impulses.
Thing is, if we are talking evolution as a design process, it has no final goal. No judgment.
Even if a gazillion generations of reproduction ended with penis-in-vagina intercourse, there is no power or evolutionary force which will be disappointed if you stick it in anus, armpit, mouth, ear, or stretch out the urethra in your dick to accept your partner's penis.
Hell, the whole of evolution is trial-and-error, so you can NOT pervert natural urges by trial, or by error.
If you have the urge and it does not render you exiled from the gene pool, nature don't give a fuck no pun intended.
Seems confused. If sex is the ultimate pleasure, wouldn't it seem natural to seek more and more of it?People wear butt plugs. All that to me is bizarre and repents loss of self esteem and image. A need for constant sexual stimulation.
Unless you want to see restaint or moderation as more pleasurable than sex...?
right, because calling something a corruption is a judgjent-free assessment. As with bizarre and loss-of-self-esteem...I was not passing judgments.
well, that us a different question than invoking evolution as have a plan.The question is do we strive for a finer reality or do we rut around in the bushes having sex all the time.
and more judgment.If we see ourselves as carnal animals then in the end all bets are off.
now, now, just because you find sex unseemly, that does not mean that those who are not in agreement have abandoned social norms entirely.Go back to tribalism and fighting for survival. What modern history shows us that civilization is a thin veneer and it does not tale much to break down. Social norms are part of social cohesion. Can our civilization survive with no or little social norms?
the same thijng thst happens every college year for the last 500 years.I think the conservatives do have a valid point. If it is all self gratification what happens?
feel free to show a causal link between casual sexual gratification and shooting a mall. At least some of the shooters are uncels, who blame all their problems on women NOT giving them easy sex.We are seeing social breakdown everyday. The rise in gun violence. It is all related to social norms.
I say sexual attraction is driven by hormones and sexual behavior is driven by social acceptance. Unless you are a person like me and don't care about public acceptance and my sexual behavior, for many, unacceptable and weird, but secretly intriguing for most. Am I wrong there?
I say sexual attraction is driven by hormones and sexual behavior is driven by social acceptance. Unless you are a person like me and don't care about public acceptance and my sexual behavior, for many, unacceptable and weird, but secretly intriguing for most. Am I wrong there?
Rational? Proposition? FYI Check category.
Can I just check. Is that your cock, your wife's cock, or both, or neither?
I admit I am getting a bit suspicious now.
I thought I would share my hard cock with you as I get close to climax #4 for the night [consistency]