Who Agrees Fourth Wave Feminism is Toxic Femininity And Should Be Abolished?

[Rhea]

Have you seen that disgusting Gillette ad

No. I don’t watch TV.
Sounds like you shouldn’t, either, though for different reasons. It seems to trigger you into rageful woe.

where they painted all men as potential rapists? One white man saw a cute woman on the street and he gave a smile and started walking toward her to engage her in conversation and a black man comes over to him and stops him and says, "not cool, not cool."

It’s not cool.
You know that, I hope?

So it shows the "black savior" saving the "evil white man" from simply talking to a woman.

You have a fabulously vivid imagination. Is that what it shows to you?

And you think that following a woman you don’t know on the street = “simply talking” to her? Dude. You just described a stranger starting to follow a woman down the street, and you can’t figure out why you’d be chastised for that?

Feminism shouldn't be making men be scared to death just to TALK to a woman.

Feminism isn’t telling them that, so it must be the men telling themselves that. Kind of, like, “what if they treat me the way I would treat them! They’d be monsters! Oh Noes!


If this is one of your fears, maybe ask yourself if it’s because you’ve been getting vibes from women that you’re a creeper, and you’re just scared that they’ll now be empowered to protect themselves from you. And then maybe ask yourself why women are feeling that you are a creeper.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-wave_feminism
...
Whereas earlier feminists fought for and earned women greater liberation, individualism, and social mobility, the fourth wave furthers the agenda by calling for justice against assault and harassment, for equal pay for equal work, and for bodily autonomy.[4] Fourth-wave feminists often use print, news, and social media to collaborate and mobilize, speak against abusers of power, and provide equal opportunities for girls and women. In addition to advocating for women, fourth-wave feminists believe that boys and men should have greater opportunities to express their emotions and feelings freely, to present themselves as they wish, and to be engaged parents to their children.
...

Oh noes! We can't have THAT! Demonize! Demonize! Demonize the Fourth Wave Feminists! Toxic feminism! Toxic feminism! Gurgle! Drool!

Well, hey! What can I do but cheer on these Fourth Wave Feminists? I hope that, wearing their cute pink pussy hats, they turn out at the polls and sweep Trump out of office. And maybe even flip the damned Senate. I for one welcome our new Fourth Wave Feminist overlords.

One of the biggest problems for these 4th wave feminists to obsess over is........manspreading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manspreading

"Manspreading or man-sitting is the practice of men sitting in public transport with legs wide apart, thereby covering more than one seat."

The funny part about this is a few paragraphs down we get this:

"The criticism and campaigns against manspreading have been counter-criticized for not addressing similar behavior by women, such as taking up adjacent seats with bags, or "she-bagging." The controversy surrounding manspreading has been described by equity feminist Cathy Young as "pseudo feminism – preoccupied with male misbehavior, no matter how trivial."

Hilarious! They even show a picture of a woman doing it on that page!

Look at how far they've fallen. They are making up problems now. "Women getting killed in Islam? Screw 'em! They don't need us! We need to fight the manspreaders!!!!!!!!"

Manspreading? That is Fourth Wave Feminists probably put that very low on list of things to be concerned about.

Wikipedia..
Fourth-wave feminism, like other waves before it, in this period was not about the existence of a single ideology, entity, or collective.^[31] It was about drawing together in collective groups to work together towards a common goal of ending violence against women in order to free them for the options to take the paths they desire; it was about mutual commitment and support to other women.^[32] The movement in Spain traces its roots to the murder of Ana Orantes; on 17 December 1997^[31][23] she was burned to death by her husband in her house in Granada for speaking publicly on Canal Sur about abuse she suffered at his hands
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It is about violence against women. Violence, rape, groping etc. Are you really this incapable of rational thinking? Or are ypu simply not putting forth any effort to reason about any of this?

 

[abaddon]

And then maybe ask yourself why women are feeling that you are a creeper.

And then, Half-Life, maybe ask yourself if there aren't yet other checkboxes you've checked in your life, that you might put some effort into un-checking:

☑︎ misogynist
☑︎supremacist/separatist/racist
☑︎Trumpian
☑︎anti-feminist (masculinist?)

What else? What other sorts of deplorable did you make into things you wanted to be?

 

[Toni]

Says the guy making fun of women’s vaginas.

It was actually a joke from one of the very early episodes of Family Guy, written by uber leftist Seth McFarlene. I suppose he doesn't understand vaginas since he wrote the joke making fun of a prostitute in the episode.

Take it up with Seth, then. I'm just the messenger.

You’re the one embracing and repeating it.

Don’t worry: it did not occur to me that you thought that up all by yourself.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It really is no different from making fun of a person born blind or disabled.

Well, according to this post

[YOUTUBE]uNXgjnBpxGI[/YOUTUBE]

So Trump basically did a joke that they were doing on South Park for years. The character Timmy on South Park is disabled and they play it for laughs.

...you think it's okay to make fun of the disabled. As long as a leftist does it first.
So, the moral standard of The Right is literally no better than the left, plus plagiarism, and a day late.

 

[Half-Life]

Well, according to this post

So Trump basically did a joke that they were doing on South Park for years. The character Timmy on South Park is disabled and they play it for laughs.

...you think it's okay to make fun of the disabled. As long as a leftist does it first.
So, the moral standard of The Right is literally no better than the left, plus plagiarism, and a day late.

Context is key. Trump was doing an impression of the man, which is acceptable. He wasn't actually making fun of him for being disabled. Subtle difference, Keith. Just like speaking in a robot voice is NOT making fun of Stephen Hawking's disability. It is literally how he sounds.

 

[Half-Life]

And then maybe ask yourself why women are feeling that you are a creeper.

And then, Half-Life, maybe ask yourself if there aren't yet other checkboxes you've checked in your life, that you might put some effort into un-checking:

☑︎ misogynist
☑︎supremacist/separatist/racist
☑︎Trumpian
☑︎anti-feminist (masculinist?)

What else? What other sorts of deplorable did you make into things you wanted to be?

I am none of those things, actually. I do support Trump, but I am not "Trumpian" as you're implying it's an insult. I just recognize that certain things are extremely foolish, such as new feminism. You guys are brainwashed because you try to label ME as the bad guy for not supporting it, which is exactly what the feminists want you to do.

When men are the ones who put laws into place to better the lives for women, we should hardly be blamed for not supporting women. Those same men can just as easily repeal all the laws. So, it's pretty weird to say that men don't support them.

 

[Half-Life]

And you think that following a woman you don’t know on the street = “simply talking” to her? Dude. You just described a stranger starting to follow a woman down the street, and you can’t figure out why you’d be chastised for that?

Let's try a thought experiment. Think of a man you find very attractive. It doesn't matter who it is. It can be a famous person or any random person. If this person came up to you on the street and got your attention, you would call them a creep?

Or is it only the guys you find ugly that you call creeps?

 

[Mumbles]

Fourth Wave Feminism is causing men to be scared to death to come on to a woman for fear they will scream, "Rape!"

That's not really something I've noticed among my friends. Granted, most of us don't loudly shout "I'd like to rope that heifer!" while pointing at our crotches and "galloping" in place, but it seems like the "be friendly and realize that most times things won't go far" line of thinking works better.

It's become such a problem that MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is becoming very popular. If you are a straight white male, the feminists think you are a disease to humanity. Yet, Muslim men who force women to cover up from head to toe are praised by the feminists as Islam is openly embraced by the third wave feminists. Anyone find this ironic? We know one thing Islam has in common with feminists is hatred of white men, so maybe that's why they love Islam so much.

Wow, you just pulled some extra nonsense out the bag. No, I haven't really noticed any of that - although I've definitely noticed a number of white guys who are doing well in most all ways, but are loudly aggrieved by the fact that they aren't automatically considered superior to everyone else. Consider, as an example, your reaction to "muslims". I've never seen feminists praise, say, the Saudi government, although many will praise people like Keith Ellison or reps. Tlaib and Omar - all of whom are openly against oppression based on gender.

Reminds me of all those gainfully employed white guys that complain about how it's "impossible" for white men to find jobs these days.

This is why men are getting fed up. The hatred of white men is astounding while the love is Islam is never ending. This makes the men feel worthless for not even doing anything wrong. They can look at a women the wrong way and women can scream how offensive it is. Yet, women can check out men all they want! Imagine a man telling a woman, "Stop looking at me! I'm offended!" The woman would laugh in their face. It's gotten so bad that Marianne Williamson lead an "apology prayer" where she had all white people at the gathering apologize to black people. This is extremely toxic and teaches everyone to be the victim.

In my, admittedly limited, experienced, screaming white guys are more likely to evoke a strong sense of fear than anything else.

Now if you want to see groups that face reprisal for "looking at someone the wrong way", talk to black people. Or gay guys looking at straight guys. And *especially* trans women.

Here is a video that perfectly sums up fourth wave feminism and what the message is actually sending to white men:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEiguYmgxA[/YOUTUBE]

...you're adding virulent anti-feminist TJ "Amazing Atheist" Kirk as representing what message feminists are sending? I'd listen to actual feminists.

(By the way, is there an actual definition of "toxic femininity", or an actual theory behind it? I ask because I've noticed that *some* white guys like to glomp onto academic terms or AAVE slang and mangle it into something meaningless or incoherent - such as "Social Justice Warrior", the "Intersectional stack", or "Cancel Culture". I'd like to see if "Toxic femininity" has any actual meaning, or if it's just another mangled term.)

 

[Half-Life]

(By the way, is there an actual definition of "toxic femininity", or an actual theory behind it? I ask because I've noticed that *some* white guys like to glomp onto academic terms or AAVE slang and mangle it into something meaningless or incoherent - such as "Social Justice Warrior", the "Intersectional stack", or "Cancel Culture". I'd like to see if "Toxic femininity" has any actual meaning, or if it's just another mangled term.)

Toxic Femininity would be stuff like female-on-female bullying (but they only focus on boys bullying each other), being able to collect alimony and child support from their husbands in a divorce. Many women use the threat of divorce to take the man for every penny he's got.

Stuff like that is the toxic nature of women.

 

[Derec]

There is certainly a lot of "toxic femininity" around, and most of it goes under some form of feminism. But it can't be confined to a particular wave. 2nd wave feminists from the 1980s (Dworkin, McKinnon, Brownmiller, Steinem) were pretty toxic and misandrist themselves, as are some contemporary movement feminists like Julie Bindel, Jessica Valenti etc.

 

[Derec]

towards a common goal of ending violence against women

"Violence" like grid girls in Formula 1 or nude paintings in art museums?

in order to free them for the options to take the paths they desire;

More like free them from the options the matriarchy doesn't approve of, like being a sex worker or even a grid/ring girl.

It is about violence against women. Violence, rape, groping etc. Are you really this incapable of rational thinking? Or are ypu simply not putting forth any effort to reason about any of this?

If you were thinking rationally yourself, you'd realize that this illiberal breed of feminism is hardly just about "violence". And even when it is about violence, it's about assuming that women don't lie about rape and similar nonsense. Accusation to radfems means guilt.

 

[Derec]

Small penis is only an insult to people who are insecure about it. I know of at least one Twitter feed I visit regularly because he's got a micropeen, owns it, and it's sexy as fuck.

You find micropenses sexy? Why?
And by the way, to stay on that theme, I've always found this scene hilarious.

I would never make fun of someone for having a micropenis. On the other hand I would definitely mock someone for being so insecure about it that they feel they have to "compensate".

So you would insinuate somebody has a small penis because they may own a big truck/sports car or an assault-style rifle?

 

[Derec]

I understand the intended humor of the above but the bigotry against the south and rural America is as ugly as it is unwarranted and unacceptable.

And the worst thing is that had somebody made the same joke about Muslims, he'd probably be downvoted by Zipr for "islamophobia".

Brother makes a good point.

 

[Derec]

um, if you're an incel, it's not because no woman gave you a chance.
You get lots of chances. And miss.

Why do you presume to know that? You really don't.
People who are considered attractive/charming etc. and who naturally attract women have no idea what men who aren't go through.

There is also reality that there are a lot of "players" who have a number of "side chicks". Since in the human species there are similar numbers of men and women, players having a relationship with several women (effectively an informal polygyny) at the same time means that there aren't enough women for the entire male population.

 

[Derec]

Only an incel could think an experienced woman is a "leftover".

It's not, at least to me, that they are "leftovers" but that they ignored me while I was younger and biologically in my sexual prime. Why should I give them time of day now when they didn't do that before? Turnabout is fair play.
But there are always hookers, so it's all good man.

 

[Derec]

No, I am trying to say that that this entire thread is based on conspiracy theories about feminism, that the entire forth wave is really about emasculating white males.

It's not really a "conspiracy theory" as much of contemporary feminism is misandry.

It is an example of the polarization that has taken hold of us. That everything is a zero-sum game,, in order for one group to move forward another group has to suffer a movement backward. That for women to advance means that men must lose something. That blacks can only improve their position by whites being disadvantaged.

Good parallel! Of course blacks improving their position doesn't mean that whites must be disadvantaged. But so much black racial activism is just about that, be it support for racial preferences or reparations.

That the collective is forced to trample the individual.

And yes, both radical feminism and black nationalism are rooted in collectivism. Black Panthers read the quotations of Chairman Mao and styled their leaders as "chairman" as well (even if they were so ignorant that they thought "Mao" was Mao Zedong's first name, hence "Chairman Fred" et al). And much of radical feminism is outright socialist as well.

None of these are true

Of course they are true. Not of everybody of course, but it is a large block.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Context is key. Trump was doing an impression of the man, which is acceptable. He wasn't actually making fun of him for being disabled.

Actually, he was. He was mocking his disability in an attempt to marginalize what the man was saying about Trump, since it was uncomplimentary. That's the context.

Subtle difference, Keith.

No, this is a made-up apology. Trump was not having fun WITH the reporter, he was outrageously exaggerating his disability so people will not pay attention to his criticism of Trump.
That's what Trump does.

All the fucking time.

The disability just made for easier mockery than having to come up with a nickname like 'crooked' or whatever.

Note that your response THEN was not 'only having fun,' it was that he was doing the same thing as South Park, which you explicitly said were making fun of the disability.
Now you want to change your story because your sins have come back to haunt you.

Sadly, your previous words are still accessible.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Stuff like that is the toxic nature of women.

And this is why people label you as misogynistic. Pick a few anecdotes and use that to define the whole gender.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

It is sort of like posting an image of a Nazi flag waving neck beard at a demonstration and holding that up as being the average Republican. That would make right wingers howl. But they love doing that towards "leftists" and feminists.