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steve_bank
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There are numerous example of different species who steal and brutalize. Sea gulls steal from each other.
A monkey is known to vocalize a false predator warning while the group is gathering nuts and scarfing up the bounty.
Chimps will hunt one of another troupe, kill it, and eat it. Chimps can seemingly brutalize for fun. When hanging around a feeding station and humans they have been observed stealing from each other and hoarding.
An experiment on PBS. Two monkeys in side by side cages. If they are both fed a less desirable food no problem. If one is fed a preferred food the other gets pissed.
Several species will kill the young of a female and impregnate to pass on his genes.
Religion is supposed to raise us above our base nature. In reality it inflames it.
A monkey is known to vocalize a false predator warning while the group is gathering nuts and scarfing up the bounty.
Chimps will hunt one of another troupe, kill it, and eat it. Chimps can seemingly brutalize for fun. When hanging around a feeding station and humans they have been observed stealing from each other and hoarding.
An experiment on PBS. Two monkeys in side by side cages. If they are both fed a less desirable food no problem. If one is fed a preferred food the other gets pissed.
Several species will kill the young of a female and impregnate to pass on his genes.
Religion is supposed to raise us above our base nature. In reality it inflames it.
hurtinbuckaroo
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Tired of having his words used to expose the flaws in his beliefs?
Learner
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Learner
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Parrots can sound words better than chimps. All creatures have blood in its veins, eats food and reproduces and oddly enough, some people thought to express phrases about others like " Stop behaving like animals!". Classing and degrading people ethnically or by class as "sub-human and wild beasts" to differentiate themselves in the "civilsed" world. Although having said that to be fair, the differentiaton between man and beast is in the Holy books too.
Maybe they meant to say: Stop behaving naturally!
(I jest)
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Learner
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If you note (Im not righteous myself) underlined above top quote, its in the context of morality.
I know you have your moral values. Can you apply what you think is moral in the same way onto these creatures? If not then this "natural" behaviour is therefore not wrong when humans behave that way. Yes of course, I know people in a community, decide among themselves certain ethics agreed upon as moral which varies in different places, but....thats not a real freedom in the sense of the word, where people should have the right to behave "naturally", as its put in the above list in bold, conflicting with community morals, like human-rights and so forth.
I suppose Animal-Rights is treating animals like humans, humanely.
As our old friend Lion often says: "Make up your minds!"
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Oh, I totally misinterpreted that. Thanks for clarifying. I thought you were announcing a departure from the thread. My bad, sorry.
If you note (Im not righteous myself) underlined above top quote, its in the context of morality.
I know you have your moral values. Can you apply what you think is moral in the same way onto these creatures? If not then this "natural" behaviour is therefore not wrong when humans behave that way. Yes of course, I know people in a community, decide among themselves certain ethics agreed upon as moral which varies in different places, but....thats not a real freedom in the sense of the word, where people should have the right to behave "naturally", as its put in the above list in bold, conflicting with community morals, like human-rights and so forth.
I suppose Animal-Rights is treating animals like humans, humanely.
As our old friend Lion often says: "Make up your minds!"
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There is, in my world, a very strong and serious distinction between
Permanent and eternal punishments by an omnipowerful GOD for natural actions that he designed
versus
Temporary, rehabilitational actions by flawed people for natural actions of other flawed people.
You don't find these two areas completely different?
(note, my use of "god" and "designed" is thought experiment that assumes religious claims are true and then tests them against observable reality. I do not actually believe the gods are real nor that anyone designed anything - based on years of observing reality. But people around me do believe these things and I am stipulating their beliefs in order to discuss them.)
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Learner
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What ARE my definitions of God? Take it as the "thought-exercise" as mentioned ( I could have done it better) regarding that little bit in previous post: God regrets He created man.
A god means a thing, agreed it does mean something. When there's debate on this particular subject/topic. Theists are often said to be unable to decide "which definition" of God they are using or ... they are sometimes asked: "what do they mean by God?" as if prolonging the limitation for conversation, knowingly having some stumbling-block effect to theists. I've used it once or twice myself on past occasions as an agnostic unfortunately. One atheist I knew said to a theist "Let me know what you mean by God, then we can discuss ...", case closed he thought.
Strangely as debates or discussions about definitions go. We can get the universal meaning, which is acceptable among most, by simply getting it from the available-to-all dictionaries. We could put the debating method e.g. "which-definition-blah-blah-blah? " to bed, using the dictionary's definition - for the sake of progress, perhaps.
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Learner
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No worries, no harm done. It was my misinterpretation actually (and hurtinbuckaroo's too, by the look of his post #123). We both thought you were indicating some sort of "dodging".
The fault is all ours!
Learner
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FIFY
You can determine in your list above by the one that contains the word Christian in it. No. 1 (a+b) is the widely accepted. Whereas - oddly enough, the Nos 2, 3 and 4 is often used by some atheist's in their arguments.
(When the issue of which definition arises, I may perhaps link this post with the list you kindly provided, just to move future discussions forward a little.)
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NOPE.
You said we just had to look at the dictionary and we’d all agree.
Now you’re crossing shit off and expecting all the Christians to think you’re right?
Not to mention you’re claiming all the abrahamists believe their god is incorporeal, even though they eat him every Sunday.
Another moved goal post?
You’ve lost your credibility about having some sure-fire way to agree on a definition of god(dess)(es).
Plus, infinite mind - doesn’t have to learn anything by trial and error, now, does it.
Learner
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No. 1. both a & b is still the answer even with the word science in place, acceptable by most.
Learner
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God or Jesus? Will all the Christians similar to first quote above, AGREE to your cannibal notion and not the incorporeal symbolic idea (signifying a partaking with a sacrificed lamb, a non-human-like significance)?
How else will I get the posts back in the spot without moving them?
If you couldn't tell from the list that you yourself provided then I shall leave it there.
Your Biblical-Atheist-Guruness has perhaps discovered and interpreted that; infinite minds can not think up something new spontaneously? And ... that God cannot look into the future when and if HE wants to? You are amazing!
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I'm an Abrahamist and I believe God is incorporeal, and I eat Him on Sundays.
Nothing controversial about Learner's post.
southernhybrid
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Is he tasty? Do you prefer him rare, medium, or well done?
Worldtraveller
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Right? This sorta crazy cannibalistic ritual shit is one reason so many people are leaving the church.
I grok jesus?
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Are the bread and wine of the Eucharist transformed into the body and blood of Jesus?