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First american ebola case diagnosed

 
 
 
Tentative good news.

The sheriff who was hospitalized yesterday after reporting to a hospital complaining of stomach pains is resting comfortably today in quarantine, with no fever, no vomiting and no diarrhea - classic signs of Ebola.

We are hopeful that his stomach disturbance yesterday was something else.

The target people closest to Mr. Duncan - his girlfriend and her kids - are still not ill, still showing no signs of the disease.
 
barbos said:
Sabine Grant said:
You may have missed the context in which Bilby was commenting : specifically contamination/infection and resulting death among patients NOT exposed to Ebola in the US. Deceased Duncan Eric (subject 1) got infected in Liberia. The 2 US health care workers/missionaries were med evacuated from Liberia, treated in the US and recovered. Both were infected NOT in the US. The US freelance cameraman was infected NOT in the US, but Liberia. Med evacuated to the US to be treated in the US.
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The guy who died was released by US hospital.
Two doctors who recovered did so only because of experimental vaccine which is not available at all.
They said some of these experimental vaccines exist only as single dose.
Doctors seems to get infected way too often for someone who is well educated and prepared not to get infected.

I think people underestimate this threat
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Once more : the 2 US citizens who were humanitarian workers in Liberia were far more susceptible to be exposed to contamination than US health care professionals caring for Ebola patients in the US. I will explain why in case you are not aware of the socio economical limitations in Liberia which are not present within the US health care system :

1) We are talking here of the added vector for contamination caused by a profoundly under developed health care system in Liberia.

2) Do not expect that the initial treatment centers in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea are equipped with the type of technology and emergent medical intervention you will find in the US.

3) The most educated and prepared health care professionals when it comes to contagious diseases prevention and control have no control over the local socio economical and cultural environment they will have to cope with when exercising their profession. Anyone who has resided in the Sub Sahara can attest of the aggravated and difficult conditions under which those imported from the West health care professionals have to work with.

I think you are a tad unaware of the above. Which causes you to confuse the conditions under which those imported physicians and nurses work under to be somehow similar to conditions in the US.

And once more : the CDC has shown its capacity to contain active TB to isolated cases. Mind you that the US population not being BCG vaccinated has no immune defense against an infectious disease which is far more contagious than Ebola. Mind you that some strains of TB remains resistant to treatments. Mind you that the exterior symptoms for active TB can easily be confused for "walking pneumonia" (persistent dry cough, extreme fatigue, fever). Yet, despite of all those factors, there is no threat of TB epidemic in the US.

Why such hype then regarding Ebola? Why are there folks so invested in fueling fear while envisioning a scenario where somehow the US health care system under mandated protocols set by the CDC, would fail to contain Ebola to isolated cases?
 
Fear sells newspapers.

Or rather, in the modern world, sells advertising on TV 'news' channels, and attracts clicks on webpages.

When our information primarily comes from those with an interest in engendering fear, fear is the unsurprising result.

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Sensationalism does fuel the media industry in this nation. Add audiences who never do their own research, do not inform themselves independently from what a news network talking head is telling them. Americans are bombarded with "Breaking News" banners flashing in bright colors as if the end of the world is looming. Headlines in papers occupying the front page, attention grabbers. The social media is plagued with folks who muse about, parroting nonsense and misinformation. Creating drama and spreading it like a fire.
 
The test results are in. The sheriff quarantined does not have Ebola. He was sent home.

No one yet has come down with Ebola from the group exposed to Duncan.
 
credoconsolans said:
The test results are in. The sheriff quarantined does not have Ebola. He was sent home.

No one yet has come down with Ebola from the group exposed to Duncan.
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I don't like to say "I told you so..."

Who am I kidding? I love saying it. But I do try my best to feel guilty. Honest ;)

 
Sabine Grant said:
barbos said:
The guy who died was released by US hospital.
Two doctors who recovered did so only because of experimental vaccine which is not available at all.
They said some of these experimental vaccines exist only as single dose.
Doctors seems to get infected way too often for someone who is well educated and prepared not to get infected.

I think people underestimate this threat
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Once more : the 2 US citizens who were humanitarian workers in Liberia were far more susceptible to be exposed to contamination than US health care professionals caring for Ebola patients in the US. I will explain why in case you are not aware of the socio economical limitations in Liberia which are not present within the US health care system :

1) We are talking here of the added vector for contamination caused by a profoundly under developed health care system in Liberia.

2) Do not expect that the initial treatment centers in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea are equipped with the type of technology and emergent medical intervention you will find in the US.

3) The most educated and prepared health care professionals when it comes to contagious diseases prevention and control have no control over the local socio economical and cultural environment they will have to cope with when exercising their profession. Anyone who has resided in the Sub Sahara can attest of the aggravated and difficult conditions under which those imported from the West health care professionals have to work with.

I think you are a tad unaware of the above. Which causes you to confuse the conditions under which those imported physicians and nurses work under to be somehow similar to conditions in the US.

And once more : the CDC has shown its capacity to contain active TB to isolated cases. Mind you that the US population not being BCG vaccinated has no immune defense against an infectious disease which is far more contagious than Ebola. Mind you that some strains of TB remains resistant to treatments. Mind you that the exterior symptoms for active TB can easily be confused for "walking pneumonia" (persistent dry cough, extreme fatigue, fever). Yet, despite of all those factors, there is no threat of TB epidemic in the US.

Why such hype then regarding Ebola? Why are there folks so invested in fueling fear while envisioning a scenario where somehow the US health care system under mandated protocols set by the CDC, would fail to contain Ebola to isolated cases?
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The most educated and prepared health care professionals released that guy in Texas.
And I still don't buy "they were merely humanitarian workers". Do they have medical training, nurses or something?
 
Sabine Grant said:
barbos said:
The guy who died was released by US hospital.
Two doctors who recovered did so only because of experimental vaccine which is not available at all.
They said some of these experimental vaccines exist only as single dose.
Doctors seems to get infected way too often for someone who is well educated and prepared not to get infected.

I think people underestimate this threat
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Once more : the 2 US citizens who were humanitarian workers in Liberia were far more susceptible to be exposed to contamination than US health care professionals caring for Ebola patients in the US. I will explain why in case you are not aware of the socio economical limitations in Liberia which are not present within the US health care system :

1) We are talking here of the added vector for contamination caused by a profoundly under developed health care system in Liberia.

2) Do not expect that the initial treatment centers in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea are equipped with the type of technology and emergent medical intervention you will find in the US.

3) The most educated and prepared health care professionals when it comes to contagious diseases prevention and control have no control over the local socio economical and cultural environment they will have to cope with when exercising their profession. Anyone who has resided in the Sub Sahara can attest of the aggravated and difficult conditions under which those imported from the West health care professionals have to work with.

I think you are a tad unaware of the above. Which causes you to confuse the conditions under which those imported physicians and nurses work under to be somehow similar to conditions in the US.

And once more : the CDC has shown its capacity to contain active TB to isolated cases. Mind you that the US population not being BCG vaccinated has no immune defense against an infectious disease which is far more contagious than Ebola. Mind you that some strains of TB remains resistant to treatments. Mind you that the exterior symptoms for active TB can easily be confused for "walking pneumonia" (persistent dry cough, extreme fatigue, fever). Yet, despite of all those factors, there is no threat of TB epidemic in the US.

Why such hype then regarding Ebola? Why are there folks so invested in fueling fear while envisioning a scenario where somehow the US health care system under mandated protocols set by the CDC, would fail to contain Ebola to isolated cases?
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The most educated and prepared health care professionals released that guy in Texas.
And I still don't buy "they were merely humanitarian workers". Do they have medical training, nurses or something?
 
Well that's good news. People here close to Dallas were actually starting to freak out about this second guy. I heard somebody at work today my age say something about the return of Jesus.
 
Smoker said:
Well that's good news. People here close to Dallas were actually starting to freak out about this second guy. I heard somebody at work today my age say something about the return of Jesus.
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Is that a rare thing in your part of Texas? I was given to understand that lots of Texans spend a lot of time talking about the return of Jesus.
 
It's not rare for old people to talk about the return of Jesus, but this lady was in her early thirties. Her favorite band is Danzig. There was about a thirty minute period in our office today where nobody was doing any work, because everybody was starting to get worried.
 
barbos said:
The most educated and prepared health care professionals released that guy in Texas.
And I still don't buy "they were merely humanitarian workers". Do they have medical training, nurses or something?
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Her point appears to have been not that they were "merely humanitarian" workers, but rather that they were workers operating in "merely humanitarian" circumstances and hospitals. The medical training they have cannot overcome the lack of water, gloves, isolation rooms and training of those around them.
 
barbos said:
Sabine Grant said:
Once more : the 2 US citizens who were humanitarian workers in Liberia were far more susceptible to be exposed to contamination than US health care professionals caring for Ebola patients in the US. I will explain why in case you are not aware of the socio economical limitations in Liberia which are not present within the US health care system :

1) We are talking here of the added vector for contamination caused by a profoundly under developed health care system in Liberia.

2) Do not expect that the initial treatment centers in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea are equipped with the type of technology and emergent medical intervention you will find in the US.

3) The most educated and prepared health care professionals when it comes to contagious diseases prevention and control have no control over the local socio economical and cultural environment they will have to cope with when exercising their profession. Anyone who has resided in the Sub Sahara can attest of the aggravated and difficult conditions under which those imported from the West health care professionals have to work with.

I think you are a tad unaware of the above. Which causes you to confuse the conditions under which those imported physicians and nurses work under to be somehow similar to conditions in the US.

And once more : the CDC has shown its capacity to contain active TB to isolated cases. Mind you that the US population not being BCG vaccinated has no immune defense against an infectious disease which is far more contagious than Ebola. Mind you that some strains of TB remains resistant to treatments. Mind you that the exterior symptoms for active TB can easily be confused for "walking pneumonia" (persistent dry cough, extreme fatigue, fever). Yet, despite of all those factors, there is no threat of TB epidemic in the US.

Why such hype then regarding Ebola? Why are there folks so invested in fueling fear while envisioning a scenario where somehow the US health care system under mandated protocols set by the CDC, would fail to contain Ebola to isolated cases?
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The most educated and prepared health care professionals released that guy in Texas.
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How is such incident, involving the health care worker who examined Mr Duncan in the hospital ER and failed to pass on the very important information revealed by Mr Duncan regarding his country of origin, supposed to justify your previous remark of "Doctors seems to get infected way too often for someone who is well educated and prepared not to get infected" ?

None of the health care professionals and workers who came in contact with Mr Duncan when he reported to that ER got infected. Again, the 2 US citizens med evacuated from Liberia, part of a Christian humanitarian organization and volunteered to serve under their capacity as one physician and one nurse IN LIBERIA, were not infected in the context of the US health care system.

And I still don't buy "they were merely humanitarian workers". Do they have medical training, nurses or something?
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You added "merely" to my actual comment. They were both humanitarian workers as part of a Christian humanitarian organization who sent volunteers to Liberia to serve under the capacity of health care workers. Meaning and again that there are no "doctors" in the US who were infected as part of their caring and treating any Ebola infected patient in any US located health care facility.

Further, it appears you did not pay attention to the factors I clearly detailed which unfortunately contribute to a higher risk of exposure and contamination for health care workers in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia. Even the most prepared and educated health care workers/professionals run a higher risk of exposure and contamination based on those factors when they serve in those treatment facilities located in all 3 affected nations.

Please, do not make me repeat what was clearly explained and detailed.
 
credoconsolans said:
Tentative good news.

The sheriff who was hospitalized yesterday after reporting to a hospital complaining of stomach pains is resting comfortably today in quarantine, with no fever, no vomiting and no diarrhea - classic signs of Ebola.

We are hopeful that his stomach disturbance yesterday was something else.
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Sabine Grant said:
How is such incident, involving the health care worker who examined Mr Duncan in the hospital ER and failed to pass on the very important information revealed by Mr Duncan regarding his country of origin, supposed to justify your previous remark of "Doctors seems to get infected way too often for someone who is well educated and prepared not to get infected" ?
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It does not justify and it is not directly related.
Fact is, number of western doctors or nurses got infected.
And another fact is, they released a guy with ebola.
This outbreak is clearly different from previous ones and I think it's not reasonable anymore to assume that this strain of ebola is not different.

You are too unnecessary defensive about any criticism of health care professionals.
 
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