Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward

[Half-Life]

OK, so I got it wrong. He said, "The polls say." It's still not just him blurting it out.

The polls said he has the most loyal people. HE said that he could do that as HIS way of describing how loyal they are to him. It's not that hard. The key is that he said, "WHERE I could...".. that is the bit of English that says, "What this means to me is..."
For you to be in the realm of correct would require that poll to have asked the question "would you vote for trump even if he shoots someone on 5th avenue". Can you find that poll he was referring to, perhaps?

Regardless.. what matters is that to be a Trump supporter, you have to have a distorted set of "facts"... like, in this example, your "fact" that trump would never have said that.. that someone else said it (people are saying).. or in your case, the "polls" said it.

I think you're really reaching on this one.

 

[Treedbear]

OK, so I got it wrong. He said, "The polls say." It's still not just him blurting it out.

The polls said he has the most loyal people. HE said that he could do that as HIS way of describing how loyal they are to him. It's not that hard. The key is that he said, "WHERE I could...".. that is the bit of English that says, "What this means to me is..."
For you to be in the realm of correct would require that poll to have asked the question "would you vote for trump even if he shoots someone on 5th avenue". Can you find that poll he was referring to, perhaps?

Regardless.. what matters is that to be a Trump supporter, you have to have a distorted set of "facts"... like, in this example, your "fact" that trump would never have said that.. that someone else said it (people are saying).. or in your case, the "polls" said it.

I think you're really reaching on this one.

It's the simple truth. Whatever polls Trump was citing certainly never mentioned anything about him shooting someone. Trump pulled it out of his own big ass. He's the one who suggested it.

 

[Half-Life]

I think you're really reaching on this one.

It's the simple truth. Whatever polls Trump was citing certainly never mentioned anything about him shooting someone. Trump pulled it out of his own big ass. He's the one who suggested it.

If Bernie said that, don't you think his fans would come to his rescue and explain why it's out of context?

The cult of Bernie is huge right now. As I've stated, many Bernie supporters think he can do no wrong.

 

[Keith&Co.]

OK, so I got it wrong. He said, "The polls say." It's still not just him blurting it out.

The polls said he has the most loyal people. HE said that he could do that as HIS way of describing how loyal they are to him. It's not that hard. The key is that he said, "WHERE I could...".. that is the bit of English that says, "What this means to me is..."
For you to be in the realm of correct would require that poll to have asked the question "would you vote for trump even if he shoots someone on 5th avenue". Can you find that poll he was referring to, perhaps?

Regardless.. what matters is that to be a Trump supporter, you have to have a distorted set of "facts"... like, in this example, your "fact" that trump would never have said that.. that someone else said it (people are saying).. or in your case, the "polls" said it.

I think you're really reaching on this one.

no. The polls said 'popular.'
Trump translated that to 'loyal.'
Then he illustrated it with a violent metaphor.

 

[Half-Life]

I think you're really reaching on this one.

no. The polls said 'popular.'
Trump translated that to 'loyal.'
Then he illustrated it with a violent metaphor.

As I've stated before Keith, people would've done the same for Obama and Bernie. I'm sure for Bush and Clinton as well. Hell, for every President you can find rabid fanbases who think their leader can do no wrong.

My grandmother is a lifelong Democrat and she still believes Clinton never lied under oath about the sexual relations. She believes to this day Clinton never did anything wrong.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I think you're really reaching on this one.

no. The polls said 'popular.'
Trump translated that to 'loyal.'
Then he illustrated it with a violent metaphor.

As I've stated before Keith, people would've done the same for Obama and Bernie.

i just cannot imagine either of them expressing loyalty in terms of murder.

I'm sure for Bush and Clinton as well. Hell, for every President you can find rabid fanbases who think their leader can do no wrong.

still, the claim that they themselves could commit a felony and not lose voters, that idea is Trump's. Not a misquote by leftists.

My grandmother is a lifelong Democrat and she still believes Clinton never lied under oath about the sexual relations. She believes to this day Clinton never did anything wrong.

'kay. That still doesn't make it a falsehood to attribute the xFifth Avenue Murder to Trump, not tge polls.

 

[Half-Life]

Looks like McConnell plans to try to block all witnesses at the trial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/12/mcconnells-plan-sham-trial-reveals-depths-trumps-corruption/

Did you notice how the Dems for 3 years now have been complaining that Donald Trump has committed crime after crime: extortion, bribery, treason, misuse of campaign funds, etc. Yet, how many articles of impeachment do they have listed today? 2. Count 'em...2!

Guess none of that other stuff was real news. Must've been all lies and slander. Not surprising.

 

[ZiprHead]

Looks like McConnell plans to try to block all witnesses at the trial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/12/mcconnells-plan-sham-trial-reveals-depths-trumps-corruption/

Did you notice how the Dems for 3 years now have been complaining that Donald Trump has committed crime after crime: extortion, bribery, treason, misuse of campaign funds, etc. Yet, how many articles of impeachment do they have listed today? 2. Count 'em...2!

Guess none of that other stuff was real news. Must've been all lies and slander. Not surprising.

Did you notice not a word of what you said addressed anything I said?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Lots of good stuff happening actually. The Senate GOP is in a tough spot. Trumpo wants to have a full blown trial in the senate and Mitch doesn't. Before that even happens the articles of impeachment must be handed to the senate for trial. So the House can negotiate things. In actuality it's a real clusterfuck owing to party loyalty in the Senate. Who knows what will happen.

I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't get his way.

 

[Half-Life]

Lots of good stuff happening actually. The Senate GOP is in a tough spot. Trumpo wants to have a full blown trial in the senate and Mitch doesn't. Before that even happens the articles of impeachment must be handed to the senate for trial. So the House can negotiate things. In actuality it's a real clusterfuck owing to party loyalty in the Senate. Who knows what will happen.

I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't get his way.

And all the polls are showing that the more the Dems talk about impeachment, the more the country is against them. Especially with Pelosi admitting that she didn't want to impeach Bush back in the day makes it look like even more of a witch hunt. It makes independents roll their eyes when Dems say things like, "Thisis about the Constitution!" as if the Dems ever cared one bit about the Constitution before. They didn't care enough about it to impeach Obama. People see right through this hypocrisy.

This impeachment is guaranteeing a victory for Trump in 2020!

 

[Patooka]

Lots of good stuff happening actually. The Senate GOP is in a tough spot. Trumpo wants to have a full blown trial in the senate and Mitch doesn't. Before that even happens the articles of impeachment must be handed to the senate for trial. So the House can negotiate things. In actuality it's a real clusterfuck owing to party loyalty in the Senate. Who knows what will happen.

I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't get his way.

And all the polls are showing that the more the Dems talk about impeachment, the more the country is against them. Especially with Pelosi admitting that she didn't want to impeach Bush back in the day makes it look like even more of a witch hunt. It makes independents roll their eyes when Dems say things like, "Thisis about the Constitution!" as if the Dems ever cared one bit about the Constitution before. They didn't care enough about it to impeach Obama. People see right through this hypocrisy.

This impeachment is guaranteeing a victory for Trump in 2020!

Actually, the polls are showing that support for impeachment is comparable to that of Nixon, your bullshit assertions notwithstanding.

 

[Half-Life]

Lots of good stuff happening actually. The Senate GOP is in a tough spot. Trumpo wants to have a full blown trial in the senate and Mitch doesn't. Before that even happens the articles of impeachment must be handed to the senate for trial. So the House can negotiate things. In actuality it's a real clusterfuck owing to party loyalty in the Senate. Who knows what will happen.

I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't get his way.

And all the polls are showing that the more the Dems talk about impeachment, the more the country is against them. Especially with Pelosi admitting that she didn't want to impeach Bush back in the day makes it look like even more of a witch hunt. It makes independents roll their eyes when Dems say things like, "Thisis about the Constitution!" as if the Dems ever cared one bit about the Constitution before. They didn't care enough about it to impeach Obama. People see right through this hypocrisy.

This impeachment is guaranteeing a victory for Trump in 2020!

Actually, the polls are showing that support for impeachment is comparable to that of Nixon, your bullshit assertions notwithstanding.

That poll ended on October 31. It's now December 12. Things have changed.

 

[Patooka]

Yep. Support for impeachment has increased

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Actually, the polls are showing that support for impeachment is comparable to that of Nixon, your bullshit assertions notwithstanding.

I want to see the personalities of McConnell, Roberts and Trumpo clash. That's worth a ticket. The only adults in the room will be Roberts, a few dems and a few repubs. Should be a great demonstration of precisely what's making america great again.

 

[ZiprHead]

Hakeem Jeffries is THE MAN.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Yep. Support for impeachment has increased

Dramatically in fact:



That's a 15% increase for Dems and a 10% for Indies, on average, since the Ukraine tip-o-the-berg, with only a slight dip from the beginning of the actual inquiry.

ETA: Let's break the numbers down. From PEW, we know that 38% of American voters are Indie; 33% are Dems; 28% are Repugs. As of 2016, there are supposedly 200 M registered voters. So, taking those percentages, we're looking at around 56 Million Dems; 33 Million Indies; and 5 Million Republicans that are registered voters and they favor impeachment (currently).

That's a total of 94 Million voters in favor of impeachment (currently).

Out of the 200 Million registered voters in 2016, around 138 Million voted and we saw a surge in 2018 (but among Dems, primarily), so let's say 140 Million will vote in 2020. Since someone saying they favor impeachment is a good indicator they will also actually vote, that's 94 Million out of 140 Million actual voters that currently feel that Trump should be forcibly removed from office, or almost 70% of likely voters.

That means (as I've noted for several months now and the numbers haven't changed) Trump must accomplish a 20% swing--and that only among Indies, not Dems--just to get to parity. To get beyond 50/50, he'd have to move the needle by at least four or five more differential points.

So, basically, Trump must suppress AND swing around 25% of currently deeply anti-Trump voters in order to win in 2020.

Anyone still not understand now why he tried to get foreign countries to fake a Steele Dossier for him?

The Russian information warfare--that is still very much in place and has likely grown exponentially, but is hampered by the fact that we are aware of it at least--can only, at best, move the needle by fractions of 1%, but, let's say it's now at a solid 2% effectiveness, which is extremely generous.

That leaves a good 23% that Trump needs to flip. Not just get his own party out to vote (they already do); but FLIP 23% at least of Dem leaning Indies just for him to have a reliable chance to win.

The suppression of black votes was a primary target in 2016 (and still is), but he and the GOP and the Russians only managed to suppress something like 4% as an effective differential accounting for volume and the like.

So he's at around 19% that he would still need to flip. Again, not just account for, but flip.

Short of personally giving that 19/20% millions of dollars, there's just no way he can do it. Even if he isn't thrown out of office, at best he'd get a 10% to 15% bump from being "exonerated" by the Senate (and that is being EXTREMELY generous), but that still means--at the absolute extreme maximum--a solid 5% that simply aren't going to flip no matter what he does.

He can't get more voters; he can't do any more dirty tricks. At BEST he will still be 5% (likely more like 10%) behind the eight ball no matter what he attempts.

Iow, the best of the best of the best he can hope for will be to come within 5% of winning, which means he'll lose.

ETAETA: Which means that the ONLY hope for Trump to win is if the Russians have successfully hacked the actual voting machines and will be able to change actual votes.

I don't think that's out of the realm, but, again, we're talking about at least a 5 (to 10)% manipulation that will be noticed.

 

[Half-Life]

Yep. Support for impeachment has increased

Dramatically in fact:

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That's a 15% increase for Dems and a 10% for Indies, on average, since the Ukraine tip-o-the-berg, with only a slight dip from the beginning of the actual inquiry.

ETA: Let's break the numbers down. From PEW, we know that 38% of American voters are Indie; 33% are Dems; 28% are Repugs. As of 2016, there are supposedly 200 M registered voters. So, taking those percentages, we're looking at around 56 Million Dems; 33 Million Indies; and 5 Million Republicans that are registered voters and they favor impeachment (currently).

That's a total of 94 Million voters in favor of impeachment (currently).

Out of the 200 Million registered voters in 2016, around 138 Million voted and we saw a surge in 2018 (but among Dems, primarily), so let's say 140 Million will vote in 2020. Since someone saying they favor impeachment is a good indicator they will also actually vote, that's 94 Million out of 140 Million actual voters that currently feel that Trump should be forcibly removed from office, or almost 70% of likely voters.

That means (as I've noted for several months now and the numbers haven't changed) Trump must accomplish a 20% swing--and that only among Indies, not Dems--just to get to parity. To get beyond 50/50, he'd have to move the needle by at least four or five more differential points.

So, basically, Trump must suppress AND swing around 25% of currently deeply anti-Trump voters in order to win in 2020.

Anyone still not understand now why he tried to get foreign countries to fake a Steele Dossier for him?

The Russian information warfare--that is still very much in place and has likely grown exponentially, but is hampered by the fact that we are aware of it at least--can only, at best, move the needle by fractions of 1%, but, let's say it's now at a solid 2% effectiveness, which is extremely generous.

That leaves a good 23% that Trump needs to flip. Not just get his own party out to vote (they already do); but FLIP 23% at least of Dem leaning Indies just for him to have a reliable chance to win.

The suppression of black votes was a primary target in 2016 (and still is), but he and the GOP and the Russians only managed to suppress something like 4% as an effective differential accounting for volume and the like.

So he's at around 19% that he would still need to flip. Again, not just account for, but flip.

Short of personally giving that 19/20% millions of dollars, there's just no way he can do it. Even if he isn't thrown out of office, at best he'd get a 10% to 15% bump from being "exonerated" by the Senate (and that is being EXTREMELY generous), but that still means--at the absolute extreme maximum--a solid 5% that simply aren't going to flip no matter what he does.

He can't get more voters; he can't do any more dirty tricks. At BEST he will still be 5% (likely more like 10%) behind the eight ball no matter what he attempts.

Iow, the best of the best of the best he can hope for will be to come within 5% of winning, which means he'll lose.

ETAETA: Which means that the ONLY hope for Trump to win is if the Russians have successfully hacked the actual voting machines and will be able to change actual votes.

I don't think that's out of the realm, but, again, we're talking about at least a 5 (to 10)% manipulation that will be noticed.

I admire your effort in doing that.

However, when Trump is not removed from office and a full year goes by until the 2020 election, memories fade and the votes will swing to Trump.

 

[fromderinside]

However, when Trump is not removed from office and a full year goes by until the 2020 election, memories fade and the votes will swing to Trump.

You show you operate like Trump. Take what is negative and pooh pooh it. Say whatever you dream and call it truth. Take what is likely to be a top Democratic campaign issue topic every night on TV and ignore it. The Republican apologizers haven't developed a single tag line yet that holds water. You can't find documentation beyond what republicans say about Young Biden corruption. Ergo the the game is over!

It doesn't matter how much Trump trump actually gets done because his ego won't let him pass up stupid shots at those who don't think his shit tastes like candy. That narcissistic rope is firmly tied around his electability.

Besides everybody tires of a braggart and a whner. Trump is both, in spades.

 

[Half-Life]

However, when Trump is not removed from office and a full year goes by until the 2020 election, memories fade and the votes will swing to Trump.

You show you operate like Trump. Take what is negative and pooh pooh it. Say whatever you dream and call it truth. Take what is likely to be a top Democratic campaign issue topic every night on TV and ignore it. The Republican apologizers haven't developed a single tag line yet that holds water. You can't find documentation beyond what republicans say about Young Biden corruption. Ergo the the game is over!

It doesn't matter how much Trump trump actually gets done because his ego won't let him pass up stupid shots at those who don't think his shit tastes like candy. That narcissistic rope is firmly tied around his electability.

Besides everybody tires of a braggart and a whner. Trump is both, in spades.

So in short, you hate him for doing everything he can to win and are mad Dems haven't picked up on this strategy. Trump has nicknames for his opponents that make people laugh and his opponents never seen to come up with a funny nickname for Trump to use against him in the debates. They just sit there and take it. This makes the Dems look weak.

 

[Keith&Co.]

However, when Trump is not removed from office and a full year goes by until the 2020 election, memories fade and the votes will swing to Trump.

Will Swing? I thought you were bragging that polls said they already were? ALL the polls? Polls you didn't point to, of course. But now it's a tomorrow thing?
I mean, it's obvious you're just making it up as you go, but shouldn't you try to be consistent?