"This viral comic about working motherhood is so true"

[ZiprHead]

https://www.mother.ly/news/working-motherhood-viral-comic

Mothers can be found at the top of many professions, and the current generation of fathers are doing more than the dads that raised them, but we can't pretend that working mothers and working fathers are on the same playing field.

We are jumping over hurdles while the men beside us are sprinting down a clear track. This simple metaphor illustrated by a Peruvian cartoonist at La Republica captures the complex challenges faces by working mothers. Thanks to a tweet by Mumbai-based billionaire Anand Mahindra, chairman of the Mahindra Group, the cartoon went viral and has gotten people talking about the hurdles in our lane.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Good for them. Now, lets not pretend this is forced and not chosen.

 

[Politesse]

Good for them. Now, lets not pretend this is forced and not chosen.

Oh, great choice. Be a housewife and successful or a housewife and poor. Such a damn range. The options!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

False dichotomy. Nobody is forcing you to have and raise kids. Nobody is forcing you to be caregiver of them and preventing your husband from doing so if you do decide to have a husband and kids. These are all choices. If you want to do like these guys and not have kids or not be the one raising them, that's also a choice you are free to make. House husnands exist and so do nannies and so do childless women.

 

[laughing dog]

False dichotomy. Nobody is forcing you to have and raise kids. Nobody is forcing you to be caregiver of them and preventing your husband from doing so if you do decide to have a husband and kids.

Maybe in Canada and other utopias, human animals are in complete control of their biological imperative to reproduce, but that is not true in the rest of planet earth.

 

[Metaphor]

False dichotomy. Nobody is forcing you to have and raise kids. Nobody is forcing you to be caregiver of them and preventing your husband from doing so if you do decide to have a husband and kids.

Maybe in Canada and other utopias, human animals are in complete control of their biological imperative to reproduce, but that is not true in the rest of planet earth.

I've managed to not reproduce for decades.

 

[laughing dog]

False dichotomy. Nobody is forcing you to have and raise kids. Nobody is forcing you to be caregiver of them and preventing your husband from doing so if you do decide to have a husband and kids.

Maybe in Canada and other utopias, human animals are in complete control of their biological imperative to reproduce, but that is not true in the rest of planet earth.

I've managed to not reproduce for decades.

Good for you. I was unaware that the birth rate in Australia was zero.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

So have many. Contraception is also a thing, as abortion and adoption. Come join the modern west where women have all these choices.

 

[laughing dog]

So have many. Contraception is also a thing, as abortion and adoption. Come join the modern west where women have all these choices.

As far as I can tell, the birth rate in the modern west is not zero. Nor is it zero in the rest of the world. Your utopian bromides do not fit the real world.

 

[Metaphor]

I've managed to not reproduce for decades.

Good for you. I was unaware that the birth rate in Australia was zero.

It isn't. Some people in Australia choose to have children.

It's shocking, I know.

 

[laughing dog]

I've managed to not reproduce for decades.

Good for you. I was unaware that the birth rate in Australia was zero.

It isn't. Some people in Australia choose to have children.

It's shocking, I know.

Obtuseness becomes you.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

So have many. Contraception is also a thing, as abortion and adoption. Come join the modern west where women have all these choices.

As far as I can tell, the birth rate in the modern west is not zero. Nor is it zero in the rest of the world. Your utopian bromides do not fit the real world.

You equate a zero birth rate with utopia? Plenty of people want to and choose to have and raise children. That doesn't make it not their choice.

 

[laughing dog]

So have many. Contraception is also a thing, as abortion and adoption. Come join the modern west where women have all these choices.

As far as I can tell, the birth rate in the modern west is not zero. Nor is it zero in the rest of the world. Your utopian bromides do not fit the real world.

You equate a zero birth rate with utopia?

No, where did that straw man come from?

Plenty of people want to and choose to have and raise children. That doesn't make it not their choice.

Saying it is their "choice" without delving into the motivations for the choice is simplistic. Animals have a biological imperative to reproduce. Saying that animals or people can simply choose not to reproduce is to ignore that biological imperative. While some people can avoid that biological imperative, it is glaringly obvious that much of the world either can not or does not. So the flippant "they can choose not to be mothers/parents" may look like sage advice but it ignores reality.

 

[Half-Life]

If all the women just identified as men, we wouldn't have these silly comics. This would seem like the logical solution for the woke people.

In reality, if you're a stay at home dad then you have to move the hurdles to their lanes and the women have a nice clear path to the top!!!

Why do women think those obstacles don't exist for men? Do they believe men shouldn't raise kids? But, that's sexist!

 

[Half-Life]

You equate a zero birth rate with utopia?

No, where did that straw man come from?

Plenty of people want to and choose to have and raise children. That doesn't make it not their choice.

Saying it is their "choice" without delving into the motivations for the choice is simplistic. Animals have a biological imperative to reproduce. Saying that animals or people can simply choose not to reproduce is to ignore that biological imperative. While some people can avoid that biological imperative, it is glaringly obvious that much of the world either can not or does not. So the flippant "they can choose not to be mothers/parents" may look like sage advice but it ignores reality.

What is your immediate first impression when you see a single mother with 5 kids dressed in rags hanging off her shopping cart?

Do you think, "This woman never chose to reproduce! She's a victim!" or does it make more sense to think, "This woman made some bad choices in life."

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Saying that animals or people can simply choose not to reproduce is to ignore that biological imperative. While some people can avoid that biological imperative, it is glaringly obvious that much of the world either can not or does not.

They make a choice. Sex is not sneezing. People aren't compelled to engage in it if they don't want to (short of rape). They are not compelled to not have abortions. They are not compelled to not use contraceptives. They are not compelled not to put the kid up for adoption. They are not compelled to marry a partner who puts all the childrearing onto them.

Your weird argument that people cant control themselves sexually actually feeds directly into the defence of rapists etc. It's stupid and wrong.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

No, where did that straw man come from?
Saying it is their "choice" without delving into the motivations for the choice is simplistic. Animals have a biological imperative to reproduce. Saying that animals or people can simply choose not to reproduce is to ignore that biological imperative. While some people can avoid that biological imperative, it is glaringly obvious that much of the world either can not or does not. So the flippant "they can choose not to be mothers/parents" may look like sage advice but it ignores reality.

What is your immediate first impression when you see a single mother with 5 kids dressed in rags hanging off her shopping cart?

Do you think, "This woman never chose to reproduce! She's a victim!" or does it make more sense to think, "This woman made some bad choices in life."

She may be happy with her choice and love those kids and prefer this life she has chosen over being childless and working an office job for long hours.

 

[laughing dog]

Saying that animals or people can simply choose not to reproduce is to ignore that biological imperative. While some people can avoid that biological imperative, it is glaringly obvious that much of the world either can not or does not.

They make a choice....

So? What drives those choices?

Your weird argument that people cant control themselves sexually actually feeds directly into the defence of rapists etc. It's stupid and wrong.

It is a stupid straw man because I never wrote people could not control themselves. And straw men are wrong, so we agree.

In fact, if you actually read what I posted, you would see that is the opposite of what I wrote - that one must look at the motivations behind the choice. Now, posting is not sneezing, so you chose to post yet another straw man. It takes a lot less effort to resist posting a straw man than it does to plan to use contraception, yet here we are with your straw man. Hmmm.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Why they chose what they did is irrelevant so long as it was their free choice, and barring rape, it was. In fact even with rape, it is, because abortion and adoption are options.

They freely chose this. To then complain about what they chose as if it's unfairly put upon them or somehow unjust, as the OP does, is daft. They had the choice for it or against it at numerous steps along their way to it.

 

[Derec]

So men never do any household tasks? Even in traditional households, there is the dreaded "honey-do" list. And are all women are mothers and men never do any child care tasks? Come-on!

The whole thing is incredibly stereotypical and that is only tolerated because it's stereotyping in a politically correct way, to further the myth that women have it so hard.