Lumpenproletariat
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Also Giuliani, and others.
Both sides, Reds and Blues, are liars -- both Trumpsters and Trump-haters. Both want to cover up the truth and prevent witnesses who would hurt their side in the impeachment proceedings.
Anyone honest wants ALL witnesses to testify, be subpoenaed if necessary, no matter which side is hurt -- and all testimony heard, including that relating to the Biden corruption.
If the Bidens were forced to testify, and also the Republicans who directly heard Trump speak his quid-pro-quo, then it's likely both Trump and Biden would be proved guilty. I.e.,
Even if influence-peddling is not officially a criminal violation and no criminal prosecution is possible, still this abuse of office is a relevant part of the impeachment case and should be exposed and condemned rather than swept aside or covered up to prevent embarrassment to Biden. His quid-pro-quo to have a Ukrainian investigator fired, serving his personal benefit, is an abuse of the Vice Presidential office similar to Trump's quid-pro-quo (even if it's not "the same").
It's appropriate for ALL corruption on either side to be exposed. It is proper for any abuses of power or violations related to the case to be exposed, even though not officially being prosecuted.
I.e., in a legal case it is appropriate to expose related criminals or wrong-doers (the Bidens) other than the one being prosecuted (Trump), and the ones exposed then made subject to the appropriate legal actions against them, even if it's only investigation on suspicion of a criminal act.
Both sides, Reds and Blues, are liars -- both Trumpsters and Trump-haters. Both want to cover up the truth and prevent witnesses who would hurt their side in the impeachment proceedings.
Anyone honest wants ALL witnesses to testify, be subpoenaed if necessary, no matter which side is hurt -- and all testimony heard, including that relating to the Biden corruption.
If the Bidens were forced to testify, and also the Republicans who directly heard Trump speak his quid-pro-quo, then it's likely both Trump and Biden would be proved guilty. I.e.,
Trump guilty of abusing his office, as charged -- Biden guilty of influence-peddling.
Even if influence-peddling is not officially a criminal violation and no criminal prosecution is possible, still this abuse of office is a relevant part of the impeachment case and should be exposed and condemned rather than swept aside or covered up to prevent embarrassment to Biden. His quid-pro-quo to have a Ukrainian investigator fired, serving his personal benefit, is an abuse of the Vice Presidential office similar to Trump's quid-pro-quo (even if it's not "the same").
It's appropriate for ALL corruption on either side to be exposed. It is proper for any abuses of power or violations related to the case to be exposed, even though not officially being prosecuted.
I.e., in a legal case it is appropriate to expose related criminals or wrong-doers (the Bidens) other than the one being prosecuted (Trump), and the ones exposed then made subject to the appropriate legal actions against them, even if it's only investigation on suspicion of a criminal act.