New wave of Islamic invasion of Europe

[Derec]

Erdogan got salty because EU is not helping him in his Idlib advernture, and so he opened his border toward Europe for Islamic mass migrants.
His regime is even providing free buses all the way to the border.

Migrants clash with Greek police at border after Turkey opens floodgates

Greek police fired tear gas to repel hundreds of stone-throwing migrants who sought to force their way across the border from Turkey on Sunday, witnesses said, with thousands more behind them after Ankara relaxed curbs on their movement.

They are violent too!

At least 600 people had arrived by sea on the Greek islands of Lesbos, Chios and Samos close to the Turkish coast within a few hours on Sunday morning, police said.
Along the northeastern mainland border, some migrants waded across a shallow section of the Evro River to the Greek side. Witnesses said there were groups of up to 30, including an Afghan mother with a five-day-old infant, by the side of a road after having forded the river.

Why do these people keep having all these babies when they are supposedly on the run? Is it because EU countries are reluctant to deport people with children, so they are de-facto anchor babies for the illegals.

Turkey said on Thursday it would no longer restrain hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers in its territory from reaching Europe, their preferred destination, despite a commitment to do so under a deal reached with the European Union in 2016.

It is their "preferred destination" because of the ridiculous European policies to not deport illegals as long as they claim "asylum". EU needs to change their laws so that illegal migrants can be deported quickly and don't get to stay indefinitely just for using the magic word "asylum". And even when asylum cases are rejected, deportations are very rare.


About the free buses . Reminds me of the buses Mexico charters to transport mass migrants from those caravans to our borders.
Buses in Istanbul transport refugees from Turkey to border with Greece for free

On a cold night in Istanbul, Hani al-Hassan sat on the street with his wife and child waiting for the buses that will take them for free to the Turkish-Greek border, from where the family plans to make its way to central Europe.
Hassan, a Syrian refugee, told Middle East Eye that he was displaced from the Syrian capital, Damascus, to Turkey seven years ago. Until recently he has worked in the country as a tailor, with a monthly income barely enough for rent and utility bills.

This Hassan guy is a) from Damascus, where it is peaceful and b) has lived in Turkey where he is safe from war. He wants to go to Europe as an economic mass migrant, NOT a legitimate refugee or asylum seeker. His reason for moving is, as he admits himself, low income, NOT persecution.

Turkish official sources told MEE on Friday that Turkey will open its borders to all refugees moving towards Europe.

EU should see this as a hostile act by Erdogan and immediately suspend all favorable trade deals. If the hostile actions persist, economic sanctions would also be in order. Time for EU to play hardball with the wannabe Ottoman Sultan!

"The previous bus took my friends and I am communicating with them. They told me that the Greek authorities are closing the border by force," Mohammed al-Amine, a refugee from Algeria, told MEE.
“I can no longer live here. I have to go to Europe,” he said, carrying nothing but a large backpack.
Amine bemoaned the high cost of living in Turkey, and said he hopes the border will be open when they reach it.

Another economic migrant falsely being called a "refugee". There isn't even any war in Algeria!

After crossing the Turkish-Greek border, the refugees must walk for around ten days, covering more than 400km of ground, to reach the Greek city of Thessaloniki which does not return the refugees to Turkey.

And that's the problem. As long as these fakefugees make it through the border and to a major city, they are home free, safe from being deported, and able to enjoy EU largess. Deportations of illegals should be easier.

Refugees in Greece get temporary legal papers that are renewed every few months, but they often leave for elsewhere in Europe.

Usually they want to reach Germoney or Sweden, because those countries give out most money to fakefugees.

"I have stayed in Turkey for seven years, if I was residing in Europe, I would have obtained citizenship and managed to buy a house and get rid of paying the monthly rent," he said.

Again, not a refugee. An illegal economic migrant trying to invade Europe.
Also, he has some weird misconceptions about real estate in Europe. He is right however that EU countries give out citizenships to Muslims like so much candy. He can get say German citizenship, go back and fight for ISIS and Germany will take him back because he is "German" now. Insanity!

[A Palestinian fakefugee:]"I work in design and my salary is not enough to build my family and the future of my children."

Another illegal economic mass migrant. Also, those people are poor and yet keep having all those children they can't afford. Of course, their hope is that German taxpayer will pay to be islamicized by high-birth-rate Muslims.


DANKE MERKEL!!!

 

[Trausti]

Europe will be better off importing the dysfunction of the middle east. Maybe.

 

[steve_bank]

France trying to do the right thing allowed in Muslims paying for schools and imams. An experiment in diversity.

The invasion is over.

 

[bilby]

I note that all the hand wringing and pearl clutching here is by American residents.

Nobody I know of in Europe seems to be even slightly concerned about this supposedly horrific situation. Which makes me think it's more of a fictional scenario being used to bolster racist morons in the USA, than it is an actual issue worthy of our concern.

I shall one again respectfully decline the conservative racist authoritarian invitation to outrage over their hyperbolic reporting of events that most likely bear little resemblance to the narrative being spun.

I strongly recommend that you guys stop taking the tabloids.

 

[Trausti]

I note that all the hand wringing and pearl clutching here is by American residents.

Nobody I know of in Europe seems to be even slightly concerned about this supposedly horrific situation. Which makes me think it's more of a fictional scenario being used to bolster racist morons in the USA, than it is an actual issue worthy of our concern.

I shall one again respectfully decline the conservative racist authoritarian invitation to outrage over their hyperbolic reporting of events that most likely bear little resemblance to the narrative being spun.

I strongly recommend that you guys stop taking the tabloids.

Dude, Turkey is openly using this as a threat to get more money from the EU.

 

[bilby]

I note that all the hand wringing and pearl clutching here is by American residents.

Nobody I know of in Europe seems to be even slightly concerned about this supposedly horrific situation. Which makes me think it's more of a fictional scenario being used to bolster racist morons in the USA, than it is an actual issue worthy of our concern.

I shall one again respectfully decline the conservative racist authoritarian invitation to outrage over their hyperbolic reporting of events that most likely bear little resemblance to the narrative being spun.

I strongly recommend that you guys stop taking the tabloids.

Dude, Turkey is openly using this as a threat to get more money from the EU.

I shall once again respectfully decline the conservative racist authoritarian invitation to outrage over their hyperbolic reporting of events that most likely bear little resemblance to the narrative being spun.

 

[Derec]

I note that all the hand wringing and pearl clutching here is by American residents.

We do not have that many posters from Europe. I remember Dr. Zoidberg, and he as a mass migration apologist, but he hasn't posted in a while.
You are Australian, and at least your country did it right, stopping the boats carrying illegal migrants.

Nobody I know of in Europe seems to be even slightly concerned about this supposedly horrific situation.

I would suspect people you know in Europe would tend to be more on the Left. Leftists are rejoicing in the prospect of Europe being invaded by Islamic mass migrants.


But that does not apply to European people as a whole.

Which makes me think it's more of a fictional scenario being used to bolster racist morons in the USA, than it is an actual issue worthy of our concern.

- It is not fictional. It is all too real.
- It is not "racist". Syrians are white, and many are quite fair skinned, with some even being blue-eyed. The issue is not one of race but of culture and religion. This is a typical Syrian woman:

Given how islamist much of Syrian population is, it is hardly surprising Islamic State had much success in Syria and that they even made their capital in Raqqa, Syria.
That's not the kind of immigrant EU (or US for that matter, we have misguided and non-selective "refugee resettlement" too) needs!

I shall one again respectfully decline the conservative racist authoritarian invitation to outrage over their hyperbolic reporting of events that most likely bear little resemblance to the narrative being spun.

You can stick your head in the sand all you want, safe in the knowledge that your government stopped the boats.
However, wanting to protect European (or US) borders is not "racist". And especially not when the invaders are of the same race as most Europeans.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE!!!

I strongly recommend that you guys stop taking the tabloids.

I am not taking the tabloids. I am also not sticking my head in the sand either though.

 

[Derec]

I shall once again respectfully decline

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[Derec]

Migrants at Turkish-Greek border: 'We want another life'

"Life in Turkey is very tough. As soon as they open the gates, I'll make my way to Germany," says Muhammed, who is from Afghanistan

Like most of these invaders he wants to go to Germoney. And note that he is not in fear of his life, he just wants an easier life.

I bumped into Muhammed on a street in Istanbul's Zeytinburnu neighborhood, where many other migrants have gathered. Most are from Afghanistan and Pakistan; I only came across one Syrian refugee. [...]I ask about Muhammed's family. He tells me they're currently in the town Nigde, in central Turkey. There, he explains, "they are working for a pittance." Muhammed has been doing various odd jobs in Istanbul and is frustrated by the experience.

Illegal economic migrants in other words.

In my two days there I see babies crying in their mothers' laps, and people suffering from desperation, hopelessness and hunger. I meet three men in their late fifties on the night after my arrival. Judging by their accents, they're from Istanbul. Their clothes are relatively clean, so they must have arrived recently. One of them asks which border crossing will be opened, to which I reply that there is no plan to do so. [...]They won't tell me where exactly they are from, and I get the feeling they are ordinary Turks trying to mix in with the migrants to cross over into the EU. The men then ponder crossing the border by boat.

Even Turks want to get to Schlaraffenland Deutschland illegally.

Eventually I return to Pazarkule border crossing, where some 3,000 migrants are now camped out. There are people from all corners of the world: Africans, Iranians, Pakistanis, Palestinians and many Afghans. But I meet very few Syrian refugees, however. Tensions with Greek border guards, meanwhile, have intensified.

Angela Merkel really fucked things up opening the borders in 2015. Now Europe, and especially Germoney, has a reputation as a place where you can easily come and enjoy the largess of the German government, even among people from places without any wars such as Iran, Pakistan or Algeria. What they all have in common though: they are all Islamic.

As ever more migrants make their way to the border, Greek officers fire more tear gas into the crowd. Right in front of my eyes, five people are severely injured — one of them is still a child. The migrants react angrily, with some throwing stones at the border guards.

Exactly the kind of migrant one wants, right? And if you don't want stone-throwing illegals, you must be some kind of racist or xenophobe.

Migration Invasion routes.


'Just run': on the Turkey-Greece border as refugees try to break through

Break through? And people deny this is an invasion ...

After leaving the buses they broke into smaller groups based on the countries they had left. Ethiopians stood in an orderly queue, as one of the crowd went to negotiate with taxi drivers. Algerians looked at their phones and argued loudly, while two Palestinian couples from Gaza stood by a concrete pilar and debated in hushed voices whether they could afford the taxi ride to the border 15km away.

There is no war in Ethiopia and Algeria. And what war there is (last one was in 2014) in Palestinian areas is solely due to Palestinian terrorism.

As if on cue, a drizzle of rain started falling, further testing men, women and children who had already endured unimaginable hardship.

Oh those poor, poor economic migrants from places like Algeria leaving their safe homes and jobs in Istanbul, Nigde etc. What "unimaginable hardship" indeed ...

A tall young man from the Comoros, in east Africa, asked the Algerians in French if they were now in Greece. “No,” they answered, “we are still in Turkey.”

No war in Comoros last time I checked.

“If we cross the border in a large group they won’t be able to stop us; move quick,” urged a young man.

Mostly young, military-age men trying to cross an international border in large numbers. But it's not an invasion, according to open borders nuts.

An Ethiopian man who was travelling with his wife despaired when he heard it was another half an hour to actually reach the border. He told the Guardian how he had fled Ethiopia and arrived in Turkey four months ago. Upon hearing of Erdoğan’s announcement, the couple decided to take their chances and try to leave.

No war in Ethiopia. They just want more money in Europe then they can get in Turkey. They should be sent back home.

After the bridge, the group left the narrow road and plodded through muddy fields until they came across yet another obstacle, this time in the form of a ditch. Young men crossed first, attempting to help the elderly and the women.
Just a few metres on and there was another, deeper ditch.

The horrors! A ditch!

Again, the young Comoran man asked: “Is this Greece?”

Those Comorans are like little kids on family vacation: "Are we there yet?"

Now crouching, the group formed lines, as the young Algerians explained they were planning to run through the fence, one line after the other. The advice to the others was stark: If one of the party fell or was struck down, don’t wait for them, just run, they said.Some collected dry branches and twigs and held them over their heads in a bid to disguise themselves. Slowly, they crawled towards the fence and disappeared, their fate uncertain.

Looks like rudimentary military tactics to me. But not at all an invasion, right?

 

[Trausti]

In Pakistan a person can be put to death for blasphemy. A Christian must not proselytize or face death. In Western countries, you can blaspheme and spread whatever religion you want. The reason? Borders.

 

[steve_bank]

In Pakistan a person can be put to death for blasphemy. A Christian must not proselytize or face death. In Western countries, you can blaspheme and spread whatever religion you want. The reason? Borders.

In the USA a secular constitution that at least tries to prevent govt from pushing religion. Despite our race issues we do have a general culture of tolerance.

In the 19th century Mormons with a military force marched west. A jihad of the times.

 

[steve_bank]

I do not think people in Pakistan and other places have any idea what our culture is.

When Jay Leno used a picture of a Hindu scared temple to mock Romney the Indian govt wanted to sue the USA.

There is an Indian Hindu in my building who came here in the 80s. He said if he went to Pakistan he would be killed.

 

[bigfield]

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE!!!

LOL, you wouldn't be so scared of them if they were white.

You can stick your head in the sand all you want, safe in the knowledge that your government stopped the boats.

Actually, the boats were never much of a problem, relatively speaking. If I were some xenophobic Henny Penny, I would be more concerned about the planes. Even when boat arrivals were at their peak, the vast majority of asylum seekers arrived by plane. It's so much easier to get here by plane: you buy a ticket, fly to Australia and request asylum at the airport once you arrive.

Australia used to be totally fine with boat people. We didn't give a shit that it was an "illegal" way to enter the country, because a request for asylum is valid regardless of whether you asked permission to seek refuge. The first boat people were Vietnamese: they spoke a different language, looked different, spoke a different language, had different customs, and embodied an enemy we had just lost a war against. But we welcomed them with compassion because it's a big country and there's plenty of room for a few more.

Fast forward a few decades, and the Lord Mayor of my city is a Vietnamese refugee and a patriotic Aussie, through and through. Giving refuge to boat people worked out pretty well for us, and I think it's fair to say that as a country, we did a good thing for people who needed help. We didn't turn them away because they sailed past Indonesia to get to us; we weren't stupid enough to accuse them of economic migration; we didn't think that the sovereignty of our territorial waters was more important than our moral duty to provide humanitarian aid to victims of war.

But as time went by, Australians became hostile to immigration. Can't get a job? Housing too expensive? Must be because of the immigrants. As public sentiment turned increasingly anti-immigrant, political parties sought to capitalise on the fear by selling themselves as tough on immigration. The government faked the "children overboard" affair to re-frame boat people as criminal opportunists. It worked extremely well; boat people became a threat to national security and a threat to our very society. Not only did we have immigrants coming to take our jobs, we had illegal immigrants bludging off of welfare. Boat people became the national scapegoat to appease the rising xenophobia. We didn't build a wall; we just started towing people back to their persecutors or throwing them in island concentration camps.

The boat arrivals never warranted the national panic that has gripped us over the course of several election cycles. We process far, far more asylum seekers arriving by plane, and boat people are far more likely to qualify as refugees. If anything, we should flip it around and only allow boat arrivals to claim asylum. It's just dirty politics; right-wing politicians fostered and leveraged xenophobia so they could blame our economic pressures on immigrants instead of their own mismanagment of the economy. Stopping the boats didn't make me feel safe, because I was never worried about them in the first place. If anything, I'm worried that the government has successfully avoided blame for the housing crisis and chronic underemployment that have been blamed on immigration.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Wasn't America enriched by the arrival of the Drumpfmenschen, of Germany? I mean, the whorehouses alone provided employment and fairly hygienic recreation in the pre-Internet world.

 

[KeepTalking]

In Pakistan a person can be put to death for blasphemy. A Christian must not proselytize or face death. In Western countries, you can blaspheme and spread whatever religion you want. The reason? Borders.

And yet you do not want them to be able migrate to a more civilized Country, where they might receive more tolerance, or learn that being tolerant is a good thing. The reason? Your precious Borders.

 

[Derec]

And yet you do not want them to be able migrate

Who is "them"? Nobody is advocating a blanket ban on migration for anybody from Pakistan. But at the same time, there should not be a blanket acceptance of mass migration, including from Pakistan. There is a huge difference there, even if left wingers try to pretend that unless you support mass migration and de facto open borders, that's the same as being against all immigration.

to a more civilized Country, where they might receive more tolerance, or learn that being tolerant is a good thing.

How long will these countries remain "more civilized" under sustained mass migration? Vast majority of people in Pakistan, Iraq, "Palestine" and Afghanistan support the Shariah Law for example.


A sane migration policy must include
1) Limits on numbers that the host society actually needs and can absorb easily.
2) Vetting of every individual would-be migrant for things like criminal record and willingness to integrate into host society, including learning the language and not subscribing to extremist ideologies such as Islamism.
3) Effective means to deport those who entered illegally and who have violated the terms of their immigrant visas.

People should not be allowed in just because they show up at the borders and demand to be let in.

The reason? Your precious Borders.

You can't have a country without borders any more than you can have a cell without a cytoplasmic membrane. Open borders is a death-wish for any country.

 

[Half-Life]

"Multiple terrorist attacks in Europe that show no signs of slowing down? People's lives being taken away is a small price to pay in order for people to not call me a racist!" - People on this board

 

[Derec]

LOL, you wouldn't be so scared of them if they were white.

Bullshit! And many of them (particularly the Syrians) ARE white.

Actually, the boats were never much of a problem, relatively speaking.

Because they were stopped. In Europe, where they haven't been stopped, vast quantities of mass migrants are still arriving by boat.

If I were some xenophobic Henny Penny, I would be more concerned about the planes. Even when boat arrivals were at their peak, the vast majority of asylum seekers arrived by plane. It's so much easier to get here by plane: you buy a ticket, fly to Australia and request asylum at the airport once you arrive.

Obviously mass migration needs to be stopped no matter the mode of travel.

Australia used to be totally fine with boat people. We didn't give a shit that it was an "illegal" way to enter the country, because a request for asylum is valid regardless of whether you asked permission to seek refuge.

Asylum system has been broken for the last couple of decades. Asylum is well-intentioned - to protect individuals persecuted by their home countries. It was never intended to facilitate wholesale transfer of millions of people like is happening now. Asylum should be suspended until it can be fundamentally reworked and made compatible with 21st century realities.

The first boat people were Vietnamese: they spoke a different language, looked different, spoke a different language, had different customs, and embodied an enemy we had just lost a war against. But we welcomed them with compassion because it's a big country and there's plenty of room for a few more.

First of all, the Vietnamese who were coming to the West were from South Vietnam, fleeing the communist takeover. Subject to "ARVN rifles, never been fired and only been dropped once" jokes, but not the enemy. Second, the numbers were orders of magnitude less than what we are dealing with now, and thirdly, they are not Muslims.

Giving refuge to boat people worked out pretty well for us,

Just because it worked out for a relatively small number of people in the 70s does not mean it will work out for a culturally very different group of people, especially when the numbers are 100x bigger.
A million mass migrants (Syrians, Afghans, Pakistanis and other assorted Islamics) entered Germany alone in 2015 alone. That is unprecedented and not at all comparable with the Vietnamese.

and I think it's fair to say that as a country, we did a good thing for people who needed help. We didn't turn them away because they sailed past Indonesia to get to us; we weren't stupid enough to accuse them of economic migration; we didn't think that the sovereignty of our territorial waters was more important than our moral duty to provide humanitarian aid to victims of war.

But imagine if you opened the border to a few 10,000 Vietnamese and all of a sudden millions of Indonesians, Malaysians, Laotians, Thais and Burmese started coming, vast majority of them economic migrants. Because that's what's been happening in Europe. Most of the migrants are not Syrians.

But as time went by, Australians became hostile to immigration. Can't get a job? Housing too expensive? Must be because of the immigrants.

Immigration is not all good. It has good and bad consequences, and the level of immigration and the kinds of people you let immigrate decides the balance between good and bad consequences. If you have too many immigrants and especially the wrong kind (not willing to assimilate, etc) you get too many negative consequences and a backlash by the people. Europe is currently in that stage, although they still have idealistic idiots hanging on their open borders ideology - in Germany mostly in the Green Party.

It is certianly counterproductive to label anybody critical of an immigration policy as racist or xenophobe, especially if the policy they oppose is de facto open borders.

We didn't build a wall; we just started towing people back to their persecutors or throwing them in island concentration camps.

What "persecutors"? Most of these mass migrants are economic opportunists.

right-wing politicians fostered and leveraged xenophobia

Again, being critical of overly permissive migration policies is not "xenophobia".

Stopping the boats didn't make me feel safe, because I was never worried about them in the first place. If anything, I'm worried that the government has successfully avoided blame for the housing crisis and chronic underemployment that have been blamed on immigration.

If Australia hadn't blocked most mass migrants people like Hussein Khavari might have ended up in Australia instead.

 

[bigfield]

But imagine if you opened the border to a few 10,000 Vietnamese and all of a sudden millions of Indonesians, Malaysians, Laotians, Thais and Burmese started coming, vast majority of them economic migrants. Because that's what's been happening in Europe. Most of the migrants are not Syrians.

There you go: You have to resort to an alternate history hypothetical to try and convince me that boat people were something to worry about. It isn't going to work, because I'm not some xenophobic Henny Penny.

 

[Derec]

There you go: You have to resort to an alternate history hypothetical to try and convince me that boat people were something to worry about. It isn't going to work, because I'm not some xenophobic Henny Penny.

It's an analogy based on what is actually happening in Europe, where millions of people from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Morocco, Nigeria, Ethiopia, etc. are coming along with the Syrian refugees. It's not xenophobia to reject mass migration.