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Marissa Alexander's 20/yr sentence overturned

They didn't declare her innocent. This is a technicality in the jury instructions. They'll try her again. She'll probably get another 20 year sentence if she doesn't have the sense to take a plea deal first.
 
RavenSky said:
"declare her innocent"?

Are you suggesting that she must prove her innocence?
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I'm saying that this is simply a conviction that was thrown out on a procedural matter, she's going to face another trial.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
RavenSky said:
"declare her innocent"?

Are you suggesting that she must prove her innocence?
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I'm saying that this is simply a conviction that was thrown out on a procedural matter, she's going to face another trial.
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I am aware that she has to face trial again. But her conviction was overturned. That means she is "innocent until proven guilty".

I think Angela Corey is a fucking asshole for even trying the case again, but I guess she feels like she has to in order to save face. Maybe she will choose to throw it like she did the Zimmerman trial.
 
RavenSky said:
Loren Pechtel said:
I'm saying that this is simply a conviction that was thrown out on a procedural matter, she's going to face another trial.
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I am aware that she has to face trial again. But her conviction was overturned. That means she is "innocent until proven guilty".

I think Angela Corey is a fucking asshole for even trying the case again, but I guess she feels like she has to in order to save face. Maybe she will choose to throw it like she did the Zimmerman trial.
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Just because she's female doesn't make her magically innocent. She is as much an aggressor as a victim. She belongs in jail.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
RavenSky said:
I am aware that she has to face trial again. But her conviction was overturned. That means she is "innocent until proven guilty".

I think Angela Corey is a fucking asshole for even trying the case again, but I guess she feels like she has to in order to save face. Maybe she will choose to throw it like she did the Zimmerman trial.
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Just because she's female doesn't make her magically innocent. She is as much an aggressor as a victim. She belongs in jail.
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Where did I say she's "magically innocent" because she is female.

The LAW says "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't it? Are you denying that legal fact because she is female?

The prior conviction was overturned due to bad jury instructions. Therefore, it is as if the prior conviction never happened, which makes her innocent until proven guilty - NOT that anyone has to "declare" her innocentlike you claimed. She IS innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of your comment - your opinion only. Unsubstantiated. Unimportant. Unsurprising from you.
 
RavenSky said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Just because she's female doesn't make her magically innocent. She is as much an aggressor as a victim. She belongs in jail.
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Where did I say she's "magically innocent" because she is female.

The LAW says "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't it? Are you denying that legal fact because she is female?

The prior conviction was overturned due to bad jury instructions. Therefore, it is as if the prior conviction never happened, which makes her innocent until proven guilty - NOT that anyone has to "declare" her innocentlike you claimed. She IS innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of your comment - your opinion only. Unsubstantiated. Unimportant. Unsurprising from you.
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There has been a lot of support on here for her. She's as guilty as sin.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
RavenSky said:
Where did I say she's "magically innocent" because she is female.

The LAW says "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't it? Are you denying that legal fact because she is female?

The prior conviction was overturned due to bad jury instructions. Therefore, it is as if the prior conviction never happened, which makes her innocent until proven guilty - NOT that anyone has to "declare" her innocentlike you claimed. She IS innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of your comment - your opinion only. Unsubstantiated. Unimportant. Unsurprising from you.
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There has been a lot of support on here for her. She's as guilty as sin.
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So you don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"

Gotcha
 
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Loren Pechtel said:
Just because she's female doesn't make her magically innocent.
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I did not see anyone here imply that. Demonstrate that that's a factor or retract the statement.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
RavenSky said:
Where did I say she's "magically innocent" because she is female.

The LAW says "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't it? Are you denying that legal fact because she is female?

The prior conviction was overturned due to bad jury instructions. Therefore, it is as if the prior conviction never happened, which makes her innocent until proven guilty - NOT that anyone has to "declare" her innocentlike you claimed. She IS innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of your comment - your opinion only. Unsubstantiated. Unimportant. Unsurprising from you.
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There has been a lot of support on here for her. She's as guilty as sin.
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Guilty of what?

I live outside what you seem to regard as a justice system. I have seen, through these pages, people given 2 minutes in jail and a not-particularly-stern-talking-to for taking a life and intending to do so.

From what I can see this woman fired a shot, in a rabid gun culture, with the intention of stopping someone from hurting her and trying to avoid hurting him. I may have misread something.

You are a person who advocates shooting dead anyone who comes on your property. Please explain to me, from both a legal perspective and your own personal view, what this woman did that was wrong. This is not a rhetorical question.
 
RavenSky said:
I am aware that she has to face trial again. But her conviction was overturned. That means she is "innocent until proven guilty".
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She was still not declared innocent. The only case where an official declared someone innocent that I know was the (to you) infamous Duke Lacrosse case where the NC attorney general declared the falsely accused men "innocent" as he dropped the case because the evidence for their innocence was so clear.
In the Marissa Alexander case there is overwhelming evidence for her guilt and thus I hope she will either take a plea deal or be convicted again.
I think Angela Corey is a fucking asshole for even trying the case again,
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Why? Because the defendant is a woman?
The facts speak to her guilt. She came to her ex's house (pro-Marissa Alexander articles often erroneously say it was her house) and when he came home they got into an argument. She went to the garage, retrieved a gun and shot toward her ex and his children (pro-MA articles often erroneously say their children) and the bullet hit the wall close to his head (pro-MA articles often erroneously say that she shot "in the air" or "at the ceiling"). He called 911, not her. After being released on bail (while she had a no-prison time plea offer by Corey) she went to her ex's house and attacked him, requiring medical attention on his part (that part is never mentioned by pro-MA sources). Even after this act of domestic violence, which of course violated her bail, Corey still offered her a 3 year plea deal, which she should have taken. And as you see, if you only read pro-MA sources, you miss a big chunk of the story.

Maybe she will choose to throw it like she did the Zimmerman trial.
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I hope not. If it comes to trial, I hope she vigorously prosecutes this case and wins another conviction. Violence against men is as serious as violence against women.
However, I disagree with Florida's draconian sentencing minima and thus hope she will take any plea deal offered. Because of a court decision that came after her original sentencing she now faces 60 years instead of 20 because she is on trial for three counts of aggravated assault with a firearm (her ex and his two children are all victims here) and now these sentences must be applied consecutively, rather than concurrently.
 
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Playball40 said:
Finally. Still it ain't over if I'm reading correctly.

http://www.blackmediascoop.com/court-overturns-marissa-alexanders-20-year-sentence/
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Black Media Scoop is not really up to date. This happened a while ago. She was granted a new trial in September 2013, was released from prison on bond in November 2013, was in danger of going back in January 2014, and was denied another SYG hearing in July 2014.

Crack journalism that. By which I mean that they are probably smoking crack. :banghead:
 
Derec said:
She was still not declared innocent..
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. She doesn't HAVE to be "declared innocent" because she IS until proven guilty in a court of law.

Good job working "Duke Lacrosse" into yet another entirely unrelated thread.

DRINK!
 
spikepipsqueak said:
Loren Pechtel said:
There has been a lot of support on here for her. She's as guilty as sin.
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Guilty of what?

I live outside what you seem to regard as a justice system. I have seen, through these pages, people given 2 minutes in jail and a not-particularly-stern-talking-to for taking a life and intending to do so.

From what I can see this woman fired a shot, in a rabid gun culture, with the intention of stopping someone from hurting her and trying to avoid hurting him. I may have misread something.

You are a person who advocates shooting dead anyone who comes on your property. Please explain to me, from both a legal perspective and your own personal view, what this woman did that was wrong. This is not a rhetorical question.
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You're repeating her side of the story.

Reality: She did not need to confront the guy in the first place. She went from a place of safety--the garage--to the house, a place she thought was dangerous. Self defense doesn't permit that.

And what really nailed her coffin: After this incident she went and confronted him. That's not the act of someone who fears for their life in his presence.
 
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