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Joe Biden Warns Against “Needless Destruction” In George Floyd Protests – Deadline
Full title: "Joe Biden Asks “A Nation Furious At Injustice” To Restrain From Violence In George Floyd Death Protests; Donald Trump Silent As Curfews Spread Across America"

Trump's near-silence is curious. It's very uncharacteristic of him. JB, however:
These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.

Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.

The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance.
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Trump, however, responded with his usual level of grace and dignity:

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "The National Guard has been released in Minneapolis to do the job that the Democrat Mayor couldn’t do. Should have been used 2 days ago & there would not have been damage & Police Headquarters would not have been taken over & ruined. Great job by the National Guard. No games!" / Twitter

Colin Kaepernick starts legal defense fund for Minneapolis protesters - The Washington Post
 
Deepak said:
barbos said:
ZiprHead said:
"Riots are the language of the unheard." MLK Jr.
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True, and Riots are the tool of looting.
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LOL, Rumsfeld for the win!
 
ZiprHead said:
Minneapolis Police Union President Allegedly Wore a “White Power Patch” and Made Racist Remarks
Lt. Bob Kroll’s brash leadership and influence over police department culture are in the spotlight.

The Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis union became powerful in the 1970s, after one of its former leaders, Charles Stenvig, was elected mayor. Kroll became president of the union in 2015. Today, protesters and other activists in the city say the union, not the police chief, holds the most sway over officers and their behavior on patrol. “The only authority they respect is Police Federation President Bob Kroll,” Tana Hargest, a Minneapolis-based artist and activist, tweeted a day after Floyd’s death. “[T]here’s nothing our elected representatives can or will do to bring them to heel.”

Through a series of controversies over the years, Kroll has been a staunch defender of the police. In 2015, after two white officers shot 24-year-old Jamar Clark in the head, Kroll spoke on television about Clark’s “violent” criminal history; later, when the officers were cleared of wrongdoing, he referred to Black Lives Matter as a “terrorist organization,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

In 2007, Kroll also referred to former US Rep. Keith Ellison, who is Muslim and Black and has pushed for criminal justice reforms, as a terrorist, according to a lawsuit filed by now–Police Chief Medaria Arradondo alleging racism within the police department. The lawsuit accused Kroll of wearing a motorcycle jacket with a white-power patch sewed into the fabric, and said he had “a history of discriminatory attitudes and conduct.” He has told reporters he was part of the City Heat motorcycle club, some of whose members have been described by the Anti-Defamation League as displaying white supremacist symbols. Kroll did not respond to a request for comment but has denied the allegations in the past.
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Wow.

Especially the link to the ‘warrior style’, ‘killology’ motivational police training seminars:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/dave-grossman-training-police-militarization/

That’s getting fairly close to fucked up, imo.
 
NYPD officer rams into crowd of George Floyd protesters in Brooklyn
Mayor de Blasio, speaking late Saturday on NY1, called the incident “troubling,” but added, “if those protesters had just gotten out of the way and not created an attempt to surround that vehicle, we would not be talking about this situation.”
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Video appears to show NYPD truck plowing through crowd - YouTube - showing NYC Mayor DeBlasio making that statement.

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio defends police after video shows NYPD SUV driving into protesters
ew York Mayor Bill de Blasio defended the New York City Police Department after a pair of the force’s SUVs drove into a crowd during Saturday’s protest against George Floyd's death.

De Blasio reacted after videos were posted to social media, which showed protesters moving a yellow barrier in front a police vehicle in Brooklyn. Protesters threw traffic cones and other items at the SUV as a second vehicle arrived and slowly drove through the crowd forming around it. The first vehicle then drove into the barricade at a higher speed, sending people sprawling. It is not known if any of them were injured.
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Mayor Bill De Blasio Addresses Video Of NYPD Cruiser Driving Into Protesters: ‘I’m Not Gonna Blame Officers Who Are Trying To Deal With An Absolutely Impossible Situation’ – CBS New York
“In a situation like that, it’s a very, very tense situation. And imagine what it would be like, you’re just trying to do your job and then you see hundreds of people converging upon you. I’m not gonna blame officers who are trying to deal with an absolutely impossible situation,” de Blasio said. “The folks who were converging on that police car did the wrong thing to begin with and they created an untenable situation. I wish the officers had found a different approach. But let’s begin at the beginning. The protesters in that video did the wrong thing to surround them, surround that police car, period.”
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ruby sparks said:
ZiprHead said:
Minneapolis Police Union President Allegedly Wore a “White Power Patch” and Made Racist Remarks
Lt. Bob Kroll’s brash leadership and influence over police department culture are in the spotlight.

The Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis union became powerful in the 1970s, after one of its former leaders, Charles Stenvig, was elected mayor. Kroll became president of the union in 2015. Today, protesters and other activists in the city say the union, not the police chief, holds the most sway over officers and their behavior on patrol. “The only authority they respect is Police Federation President Bob Kroll,” Tana Hargest, a Minneapolis-based artist and activist, tweeted a day after Floyd’s death. “[T]here’s nothing our elected representatives can or will do to bring them to heel.”

Through a series of controversies over the years, Kroll has been a staunch defender of the police. In 2015, after two white officers shot 24-year-old Jamar Clark in the head, Kroll spoke on television about Clark’s “violent” criminal history; later, when the officers were cleared of wrongdoing, he referred to Black Lives Matter as a “terrorist organization,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

In 2007, Kroll also referred to former US Rep. Keith Ellison, who is Muslim and Black and has pushed for criminal justice reforms, as a terrorist, according to a lawsuit filed by now–Police Chief Medaria Arradondo alleging racism within the police department. The lawsuit accused Kroll of wearing a motorcycle jacket with a white-power patch sewed into the fabric, and said he had “a history of discriminatory attitudes and conduct.” He has told reporters he was part of the City Heat motorcycle club, some of whose members have been described by the Anti-Defamation League as displaying white supremacist symbols. Kroll did not respond to a request for comment but has denied the allegations in the past.
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Wow.

Especially the link to the ‘warrior style’, ‘killology’ motivational training seminars:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/dave-grossman-training-police-militarization/

That’s getting fairly close to fucked up, imo.
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Mr. Kroll won re-election on 2017 by a 423-184 vote (https://www.startribune.com/kroll-wins-decisively-in-race-for-police-union-presidency/417711203/). Before that, he was the vice-president of the union. He was in the SWAT team when on duty.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "@NYCMayor your comments tonight were unacceptable.
As mayor, this police department is under your leadership.
This moment demands leadership & accountability from each of us. Defending and making excuses for NYPD running SUVs into crowds was wrong.
Make it right. De-escalate." / Twitter
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Running SUVs in crowds of people should never, ever be normalized. No matter who does it, no matter why." / Twitter


The most volatile swing state of all - POLITICO
For some Republicans, it was an opportunity to light into Democratic-led cities and appeal to their own law-and-order supporters. To many Democrats, it was the latest evidence of the structural racism that infects the system and must be confronted with aggressive political action — beginning with the ouster of a president whose rhetoric has frequently inflamed tensions.
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Protesters in some cities target Confederate monuments - POLITICO - "Monuments in Virginia, the Carolinas and Mississippi were targeted."
 
Derec said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Having innocent victims is collateral damage according to the right wing when it's white people revolting. The moment it's got some black people, suddenly the right wing hypocrites contradict themselves and get the shit scared out of them.
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Who was advocating any of that? You are projecting.

If right wing nutjobs no longer support violent revolution, then they need to give their guns up and shut the fuck up.
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You are a left wing nutjob who is advocating left wing violence.
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I am not a projecting nutjob but pointing out inconsistencies by racist conservatives.

You can't deal with facts so you are attacking me.
 
I'm waiting for the Trump tweet that will settle this thing. "There are very fine people on both...…"

MAGA, The Sound of Someone Pukin' (TM)
 
Derec said:
2. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS OF GRASSROOTS BLACK ORGANIZERS. They have been at this a long time and are disciplined in the ropes of community organizing and demonstration. It IS a discipline. Follow trusted leaders whose goal has been the focused pursuit of justice. If they just showed up, that’s a red flag
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Why should the race of the organizers matter?
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From a practical standpoint, they bring experience of how to react to police overreacting.
 
There is a lot of definition creep on both sides for what constitutes things like a White Power badge. Any more information?
 
Rhea said:
From a practical standpoint, they bring experience
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Skin color != experience.
You can have a newbie black person and an experienced white person.

of how to react to police overreacting.
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Police did not overreact. They underreacted, allowing rioting and looting to spread.
 
A business called Happy Ice in the Melrose area managed to avoid the carnage while surrounding stores were trashed. The owner had put up posters in each window stating “Black Owned” with his name and picture. The US does have major race problems after all.
 
After Minneapolis, Can Trump’s Law-And-Order Strategy Work? | FiveThirtyEight
Minnesota has also proven a difficult testing ground for Trump’s return to law and order rhetoric. Reaction to the violence in the state — and the killing of Floyd — has unfolded somewhat differently than past violent deaths in police custody. Police chiefs from around the country swiftly condemned the officer who killed Floyd. Even as police on the ground in Minneapolis arrested a black journalist on live TV, the mayor and governor — both Democrats — called for calm while saying they understood and were sympathetic to the anger behind the rioting. ...

It seems unlikely, though, that Trump will easily give up the race-baiting language of “thugs” and the like. For Trump, who is famously ideologically flexible, the idea of law and order is perhaps his deepest-held, most sincere political belief.
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Then him on the Central Park Five in 1989.
 
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