barbos
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No, I think they are not dumb.
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You still have not explained how you think those are not cops.
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Do you think kneeling on the neck of a man suspected of a non-violent crime of trivial monetary value, begging for air for almost 9 minutes, 3 of which he was unconscious is acceptable policing?
How much property is an even exchange for your life?
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barbos
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I don't have to explain anything, but I already did.
Derec
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No. It is a violet crime. It's just not murder.
But how about you answer my question for a change.
Do you think actions such as throwing objects (including Molotov cocktails) at police, mowing police down with vehicles (like in Buffalo and Atlanta), shooting police officers in the head (as happened in Las Vegas), looting stores, setting buildings on fire etc. are acceptable forms of "objecting"?
A non sequitur. Property damage and violence against police officers is not a justifiable form of "protest".
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"Protester" shot a police officer in Las Vegas:
Las Vegas shootings following Monday protest leave officer in 'grave condition,' man dead
But you know, it's all good as long as you are "protesting".
Las Vegas shootings following Monday protest leave officer in 'grave condition,' man dead
Fox 5 said:
But you know, it's all good as long as you are "protesting".
A microcosm.
Show where people are trying to justify violence as protest. Only the white supremacists are playing this word game.
Here's some protesters. Ask them your question:
Which protest/riot was this from?
Derec
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Toni implicitly did justify at least the anti-property violence (looting, arson etc.)
Are you calling Toni a "white supremacist"?Toni said:
Left wing radicals in general support killing police officers though.
Take her as an example:
She is not some "white supremacist" but a leftist Occupy Oakland participant.
Black Lives Matter radicals in New York and Minnesota have also called for lethal violence against cops as early as 2014 and 2015, respectively.
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Causes a guy in his 60s (from appearances) to fall down by shoving him... and then just stands around while another officer appears to walk over to help him up, then walks in to force the guy to get up. What an asshole. If that is how you treat people in their 60s, you need some more training... or to be fired.
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I guess that will be for a jury to decide.
I think it's predictable. For one thing, it is known that a small number of people in Minneapolis and I suspect other cities as well started the violence and destruction. Not peaceful protesters. Perhaps off duty police officers, although St. Paul has denied that the man recorded breaking the first windows is a police officer. Definitely people from out of state who began the destruction. Definitely people driving into neighborhoods, changing their out of state license plates for Minnesota plates--I know this for an absolute fact.
These are not just protests. They are out pourings of profound grief. One of the stages of grief is anger, according to Kubler Ross. But since ancient times, people have engaged in rending their garments (Keriah) and other destructive and self destructive acts as extreme expressions of grief.
Or seen another way: The state sanctioned officers who are charged with serving and protecting the people instead took George Floyd's life--and the lives of too many other innocent, unarmed people. The state, through it's police officers, violated the social contract. Protest, destruction of property, and even violence is a logical response, even if we abhor the destruction of property and the violence.
It's not a non sequitor. If the police can kill a man in broad daylight, in front of people begging them to stop, recording them killing the man, then any one of us can be the person on the ground, a knee in our neck.
Why is one man's life worth less than $20 and yours worth more? After all, you engage in criminal activity. I realize that you view your particular criminal activity as being 'victimless' and activity that should not be illegal but still, it is criminal activity. I'm not writing this to criticize your activities. I'm trying to get you to realize that this could be YOU. It should not be you. It should not have been George Floyd. Or Filandro Castile. Or Tamir Rice. or any of the men, women and children murdered by police. It shouldn't be any of us.
Murder is not a justified police action.
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That was the one I was talking about, where in one case the protesters caught the looter and tied him up until police came.
Whatever. Maybe we can agree that the looting in the USA is more of a problem.
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Obviously there were several looting events. Unlike what trausti said.
So no you can't.
Instead you play pretend, then deflect to 'left wing radicals in general'?
You keep making specific accusations without specific support. Can I start putting words in your mouth? You ready to let the right-wing-radicals-in-general speak for you?
I stand corrected.
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It’s so bizarre how the media just can’t say Antifa. Must. Stick. With. Narrative.
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That's not the media saying it's white nationalists, it's the chief of police. Reading comprehension is a good thing.
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What I find fascinating is that the "law and order" crowd are focusing on the relatively small number of looters and rioters of any ideological persuasion instead of the clear lesson that this tragedy struck a real chord across the USA. It should be obvious that the police have an image problem. It doesn't matter whether the image is earned or not at this point.
So, instead of pointing out that looting is bad (duh) or that rioting is bad (duh) or blaming ___(you fill in the blank) for the image problem, concentrate on the real problem: police behavior and community relations.
So, instead of pointing out that looting is bad (duh) or that rioting is bad (duh) or blaming ___(you fill in the blank) for the image problem, concentrate on the real problem: police behavior and community relations.