Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[Toni]

You know who wouldn’t have died? George Floyd would not have died if a police officer had not kneeled on his neck for 9 minutes.

He was a ticking time bomb. See that Twilight actor.

Chauvin was a ticking time bomb. It wasn’t the first time he killed someone.

I will wager that from your descriptions of yourself, Floyd George was in much better condition from a purely medical standpoint, whatever drugs may or may not have been in his system than you are. So if a police officer threw you on the ground and kneeled on your neck for 9 minutes with three other officers helping him and you died, your parents and friend should just shrug their shoulders and say “ Oh well, Derec was a ticking time bomb”?

Of course not! I’d march in that protest myself!

 

[Toni]

Both autopsies disagree with you.

No, they don't.

Neither does the video show "choking". The man died because he had a preexisting condition and acute intoxication by a cocktail of powerful drugs.

Then why did both autopsies rule his death a homicide?

 

[laughing dog]

You know who wouldn’t have died? George Floyd would not have died if a police officer had not kneeled on his neck for 9 minutes.

He was a ticking time bomb. See that Twilight actor.

Besides the fact that is hanwaving bs because you arenot a medical expert, it is irrelevant to the fact of Mr. Floyd's mistreatment by those police.

 

[laughing dog]

Then how do you explain the sympathetic protests throughout the USA?

Most people are not rational. Especially in crowds.

Add to that the COVID-induced cabin fever.

Please stop projecting it is not analysis.

 

[Worldtraveller]

It’s so bizarre how the media just can’t say Antifa. Must. Stick. With. Narrative.

Why are you complaining that the media is aping your MO?

Copyright infringement?

 

[Deepak]

It’s so bizarre how the media just can’t say Antifa. Must. Stick. With. Narrative.

Why are you complaining that the media is aping your MO?

Copyright infringement?

Process patent if anything

 

[Worldtraveller]

Yes, quite.

For choking, you have to restrict the windpipe.

Which is what happens when a neck is compressed by a 170 pound cop's knee pressing down on it for nine minutes.

Cardiopulmonary arrest was primarily caused

You have zero qualifications to make any such claim as to what was or was not "primarily caused."

That doesn't mean that police did nothing wrong

Then you're done. Finally.

I've had derec on ignore pretty much since day one here, but since ya'll keep quoting him.....

"Choking" is not a precise term in colloquial use. It may be in medical, and that's what idiots keep trying to equate.

I've choked out many people in my time (and been choked out a few times myself, voluntarily), it comes from over 30 years of various styles of martial arts.

What happens when a proper 'choke hold' (there are several versions, depending on the body attitude of the choker and chokee) is that one is putting pressure on the carotid arteries, that are on either side of the actual trachea (windpipe). It effectively cuts off blood flow to the brain, and although it makes one feel fee like they can't breath, it's not the breath that's being restricted.

A proper choke hold done this way will cause unconsciousness in 20-30 seconds.

An improperly done choke hold that puts pressure on or damages the trachea does a couple of things: 1) it takes much longer to go unconscious so the person tends to get much more panicky for longer before finally passing out; 2) it can cause permanent damage, even if the hold is relinquished prior to the person losing consciousness; 3) it can kill someone because of said damage if severe enough, even if the hold is relinquished.

Now, if any other dumbasses want to argue about this, I'd be happy to have them come here and I can demonstrate either a proper (which the police are trained to do) and/or the improper (which are what cops are trained not to do, but know about and can do permanent damage with...) way to apply a choke hold. Your choice.

 

[lpetrich]

Eric S. Clifford: As chief of police, I knelt for George Floyd to show the people I serve that black lives matter

People in my profession need to truly empathize with how our communities feel about the police and police brutality. I want to lead by example.

On Sunday, something amazing happened: Hundreds of people came to the Schenectady Police Department upset, scared and confused about what is happening in America and in our community. And I knelt to listen, and we heard each other.

Protesters Dispersed With Tear Gas So Trump Could Pose at Church - The New York Times

Ayanna Pressley on Instagram: “Joined my brothers & sisters in service from across MA this morning to issue legislative demands in the fight for racial justice” - she announced a Congressional resolution condemning police brutality and racial profile, and also recommending oversight and improved procedures.

AOC also Instagrammed this:
Therapy for Black Girls on Instagram: “Check out these self care tips for activists from Therapy For Black Girls Podcast Session 46 with @healasista. ...”

Self Care For Activists

Use grounding exercises to keep you calm while working.

Schedule time for yourself. A Eat your lunch alone, take a walk, watch a funny show.)

Practice deep belly breathing.

Set aside time for therapy.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, not all choking is respiratory choking. In fact the ME pretty well laid out that the asphixiation came from two sources: a blood choke applied by a knee, and obstruction of the diaphragm.

 

[lpetrich]

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE on Twitter: "Los Angeles convention center has been transformed into a military base https://t.co/MsqQKmk6rl" / Twitter
then
Matthew A. Cherry on Twitter: "But took months to figure out testing centers for Covid-19" / Twitter


NYC-DSA on Instagram: “@aoc is handing out masks in Queens at the protest ”
Along with snacks and legal info.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Stay safe everyone!" / Twitter
noting
Rozina Ali on Twitter: ".⁦@AOC⁩ handing out masks in Queens protest. “Wear your masks! Let’s go!” https://t.co/TiZqjMJfTF" / Twitter


Dystopia Journal #42: The Fed Up-rising | Adam Lee

The protests that exploded across the country last weekend are an expression of justifiable rage from a population that’s fed up. But what astonishes me is the sheer number of them. It’s not just in large, liberal cities like New York or Chicago or San Francisco, but in smaller cities, in red states, places not normally thought of as bastions of diversity: Fort Wayne and Indianapolis, Indiana; Des Moines, Iowa; Kansas City, Missouri; Omaha, Nebraska; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

...
But rather than trying to calm the crowds, the police seem determined to prove the protesters’ point. In countless incidents, in city after city, they’ve reacted with indiscriminate brutality against journalists, medics and peaceful demonstrators: beating them with batons, ramming them with cars, shooting them in the face with rubber bullets, using flashbang grenades and pepper spray and tear gas as weapons of torture. In many cases, there’s no reasonable interpretation other than that the police deliberately targeted the media and nonviolent protesters for mayhem. Their behavior is that of an occupying army trying to suppress a conquered population by force.

...
While most of the protests have been peaceful, some have degenerated into mob violence. In many cities, businesses have been looted and burned. Minneapolis’ Third Precinct, where the killer worked, was overrun and burned to the ground. Police cars have also been vandalized and burned.

That said, I reject lazy both-sides-do-itism.

...
But in almost every case, the police’s hair-trigger violence has inflamed and worsened the situation rather than deescalated it.

 

[lpetrich]

Top Republican senators defend Trump's church photo-op after peaceful protesters cleared out - CNNPolitics

Top Republican senators are defending the use of police force to clear out peaceful protesters near the White House that allowed President Donald Trump to pose with a Bible in front of a church amid the continued unrest in the United States.

The stunning move prompted a visceral reaction among Democrats, who likened Trump's actions to a dictator as they prepared legislation to condemn the use of force -- including tear gas and rubber bullets -- against Americans exercising their constitutional rights to protest.

But Republicans -- for the most part -- aligned squarely with the President, saying it was his right to take such action given at times the violent protests that have occurred in the United States and the need for him to demonstrate that the country would not stand for the actions of looters and "anarchists."

George Floyd protests: Ben Sasse, other GOP senators criticize Trump

Republican senators were split on President Donald Trump's decision Monday to push back protesters from an area surrounding the White House so he could visit a historic church across the street to take a photo with a Bible.

"I'm against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop," said Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., in a statement. While there is no right to riot or destroy property, he said, there is a "fundamental — a Constitutional — right to protest."

What is the Insurrection Act and why has it been invoked before? - ABC News - "The last time a president invoked it for crowd control was in the 1992 LA riots."

Signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson in 1807, the Insurrection Act empowers the American president and commander in chief to deploy military troops within the U.S. in particular circumstances, if they believe it is necessary to quell an "insurrection" that threatens a state or its residents.

It's essentially a legal key that unlocks the door to use federal military forces -- whether through federalizing the National Guard or calling in "Title X forces" to settle civil unrest.

The exception to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prohibits active-duty troops from being deployed to U.S. states for routine use as police forces, is an important and expansive power granted to the president.

 

[Jarhyn]

Top Republican senators defend Trump's church photo-op after peaceful protesters cleared out - CNNPolitics

George Floyd protests: Ben Sasse, other GOP senators criticize Trump



What is the Insurrection Act and why has it been invoked before? - ABC News - "The last time a president invoked it for crowd control was in the 1992 LA riots."

Signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson in 1807, the Insurrection Act empowers the American president and commander in chief to deploy military troops within the U.S. in particular circumstances, if they believe it is necessary to quell an "insurrection" that threatens a state or its residents.

It's essentially a legal key that unlocks the door to use federal military forces -- whether through federalizing the National Guard or calling in "Title X forces" to settle civil unrest.

The exception to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prohibits active-duty troops from being deployed to U.S. states for routine use as police forces, is an important and expansive power granted to the president.

You forgot the part about how the Bible he posed with was commandeered from one of the priests he gave orders to have pepper sprayed.

 

[Trausti]

Law and order. Who needs it? National Guard? We're not falling for that, Trump!

Destruction in NYC: ‘The NYPD and the mayor did not do their job last night,’ Cuomo says

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he was “disappointed and outraged” over the violence and destruction New York City saw Monday night.

“The NYPD and the mayor did not do their job last night, I believe that,” Cuomo said during his daily briefing Tuesday.

 

[abaddon]

Maybe it would help those who don't seem to understand the problem, to do some serious reading about the long history of police brutality in the US.

When they read a sentence like this, their brains will replace "police brutality" with "the police serving and protecting us law-abiding property owners".

... there are too many police officers who view civilians, especially poor or minority civilians as the enemy.

Exactly like the people you're talking to do.

Police are to protect and serve! Who the fuck were they protecting when they murdered George Floyd...?

In the minds of many conservatives, the answer to that is "me".

 

[Trausti]

Maybe it would help those who don't seem to understand the problem, to do some serious reading about the long history of police brutality in the US. It's not always directed against black men, but they are the most common target statistically.

Eh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

 

[Deepak]

Notice how I posted videos of police breaking the windows of a car on an empty street and another of a cop putting a stick in the hand of a man that he beat and arrested.

When they know then entirety of the world is watching. Literally anyone who can record will be recording and that's what they're doing.

I'm sure we can trust these numbers to accurately capture the scope of the problem.

 

[Trausti]

Notice how I posted videos of police breaking the windows of a car on an empty street and another of a cop putting a stick in the hand of a man that he beat and arrested.

When they know then entirety of the world is watching. Literally anyone who can record will be recording and that's what they're doing.

I'm sure we can trust these numbers to accurately capture the scope of the problem.

Yes. People will reject data that conflicts with their religious beliefs. Galileo taught us that.

 

[Deepak]

Notice how I posted videos of police breaking the windows of a car on an empty street and another of a cop putting a stick in the hand of a man that he beat and arrested.

When they know then entirety of the world is watching. Literally anyone who can record will be recording and that's what they're doing.

I'm sure we can trust these numbers to accurately capture the scope of the problem.

Yes. People will reject data that conflicts with their religious beliefs. Galileo taught us that.

Wat? Police shooting data is all self reported, and by definition could not catch cases where the police act in ways that taint the evidence.

And rather than address the observable evidence you have, from the claim in the Floyd video that there was some ongoing resistance or the other two videos I posted (that show clear bad behavior that your dataset couldn't capture) you're gouging out your own eye instead of looking through the telescope.

How do you make an argument this bad and try to invoke Galileo? For your own health don't take up boxing

 

[repoman]

 

[marc]

I'm not a fan of antifa, but I do think those who support the concept have been unfairly demonized during these protests.

It is the new Acorn or Planned Parenthood. Conservatives hate what they are doing, so will make up all kinds of unfounded criminal accusations that they will repeat until ‘everyone knows they do that’