US Religious Affiliation and Racial Resentment

[lpetrich]

Atheists Stand Against Racism | Adam Lee

To measure shifting attitudes, political scientists track an attitude called “racial resentment”. This is the atomistic, Objectivist-style belief that privilege and systemic prejudice don’t exist and that individual effort is all that matters (so if women and minorities don’t achieve as much as white men, it’s their fault for not wanting to succeed). It’s the white sheet that’s often thrown over more explicitly bigoted opinions.

One survey that measures racial resentment is the annual Cooperative Congressional Election Study, a 50,000+ person national poll. Among other questions, the 2018 CCES asked participants if they agreed with statements like, “If black people would only try harder, they would be just as well off as whites.”

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Cooperative Congressional Election Study

 

[lpetrich]

Ryan Burge on Twitter: "One of the most important new measurements in political science is racial resentment. It's adjacent to racism, but tries to understand some of the thinking behind racist views.
This is a scale from zero (no resentment) to four.
The Qs are in the next tweet. https://t.co/YCRErb5bE9" / Twitter

Ryan Burge on Twitter: "Over 60% of white evangelicals score a 3 or 4 on the scale, followed by 52.5% of Orthodox Christians.
It's about half of white Catholic in the top two categories, but mainline Prots aren't far behind (42.2%).
62.6% of agnostics and 70.6% of atheists score zero https://t.co/ogfTBHdOyY" / Twitter

1. Irish, Italians, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors.

2. Generations of slavery and discrimination haver created conditions that make it difficult for blacks to work their way out of the lower class.

3. Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve.

4. It's really a matter of some people not trying hard enough, if blacks would only try harder they could be just well off as whites.

The questions could be answered strongly/somewhat agree/disagree. The score: 0 = none, 4 = maximum

Ryan Burge on Twitter: "Just to add on to this:
White evangelicals who attend church more than once a week have the highest racial resentment score of any attendance group. https://t.co/EEa1kYfXZp" / Twitter
Though not by much, I must note -- only 1 or 2 standard deviations greater than the mean. For all levels of attendance, weighted equally, their mean is 2.613 and their standard deviation 0.122. That maximum is 2.795

Ryan Burge on Twitter: "One last one on racial resentment - by race and partisanship.
White resentment is typically the highest, however in many cases Hispanic scores are similar.
A white Ind. has a resentment score 4x higher than a white Strong Dem. It's 6x higher for a Strong Rep. white. https://t.co/calEFGOJb2" / Twitter
Black people had the least amount of racial resentment, though the difference was small among strong Republicans and small Democrats.

The barchart has errorbars on it, to indicate sampling error. It is ~ 1/sqrt(N) for N samples. From the errorbars, whites are evenly distributed across the political spectrum, blacks are strongly Democratic, and Hispanics and Asians in between.

 

[lpetrich]

Ryan Burge's first graph, OCRed and measured and turned into a table. I have added an additional column: the average resentment for each group. I have also sorted the table with that average. Columns 3 to 6 are what percentage with what degree of racial resentment.
[table="class:grid"]
[tr][td]Affiliation[/td][td]Avg[/td][td]0 %[/td][td]1 %[/td][td]2 %[/td][td]3 %[/td][td]4 %[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]White Evangelical[/td][td]2.634[/td][td]14.5[/td][td]9.6[/td][td]14.4[/td][td]20.9[/td][td]40.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Orthodox[/td][td]2.361[/td][td]17.2[/td][td]14.8[/td][td]15.5[/td][td]19.7[/td][td]32.8[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]White Catholic[/td][td]2.216[/td][td]23.3[/td][td]11.4[/td][td]15.6[/td][td]19.6[/td][td]30.0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mormon[/td][td]2.112[/td][td]22.5[/td][td]14.0[/td][td]18.1[/td][td]20.6[/td][td]24.8[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mainline[/td][td]1.914[/td][td]32.8[/td][td]11.5[/td][td]13.5[/td][td]15.9[/td][td]26.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Unclassified[/td][td]1.850[/td][td]34.8[/td][td]11.7[/td][td]12.6[/td][td]15.5[/td][td]25.4[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nothing in Particular[/td][td]1.513[/td][td]42.6[/td][td]14.0[/td][td]11.9[/td][td]12.5[/td][td]19.0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Non-White Catholic[/td][td]1.482[/td][td]37.1[/td][td]18.4[/td][td]19.1[/td][td]10.0[/td][td]15.4[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hindu[/td][td]1.405[/td][td]36.5[/td][td]13.7[/td][td]27.6[/td][td]16.9[/td][td]5.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Non-White Evangelical[/td][td]1.316[/td][td]44.8[/td][td]16.8[/td][td]13.9[/td][td]11.0[/td][td]13.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Jewish[/td][td]1.253[/td][td]50.3[/td][td]13.1[/td][td]11.7[/td][td]10.8[/td][td]14.1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Muslim[/td][td]1.186[/td][td]32.6[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]13.6[/td][td]4.1[/td][td]9.8[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Buddhist[/td][td]1.083[/td][td]53.4[/td][td]10.2[/td][td]20.6[/td][td]6.3[/td][td]9.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Agnostic[/td][td]0.955[/td][td]62.6[/td][td]10.4[/td][td]7.4[/td][td]8.4[/td][td]11.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Atheist[/td][td]0.736[/td][td]70.6[/td][td]8.7[/td][td]6.3[/td][td]5.3[/td][td]9.1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Black Protestant[/td][td]0.664[/td][td]61.4[/td][td]18.9[/td][td]14.2[/td][td]2.6[/td][td]2.8[/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[Lion IRC]

Doesn't 'racial resentment' cut both ways?
% of so-called 'black' people who hold racial resentment views is surely the same as the % of so-called 'white' people with racial resentment.

 

[Rhea]

Doesn't 'racial resentment' cut both ways?
% of so-called 'black' people who hold racial resentment views is surely the same as the % of so-called 'white' people with racial resentment.

No it doesn’t, but here’s why your statement is so important:

Some white people are afraid to share privilege and give equality to black people because they are afraid black people will treat them the way they have treated black people, and they find that terrifying.


And it is so interesting watching them display that fear that black people hate/disdain/revile them in return.


Luckily, history shows us that most black people aren’t like that - and you’re perfectly safe.
They don’t resent you so much as they just wish, for the love of Jesus! that you’d grow up already.

 

[lpetrich]

Doesn't 'racial resentment' cut both ways?
% of so-called 'black' people who hold racial resentment views is surely the same as the % of so-called 'white' people with racial resentment.

No it doesn’t, but here’s why your statement is so important:

Some white people are afraid to share privilege and give equality to black people because they are afraid black people will treat them the way they have treated black people, and they find that terrifying.

And it is so interesting watching them display that fear that black people hate/disdain/revile them in return.

Seems like they are expecting others to feel what they themselves feel.

 

[Lion IRC]

I don't believe that racial resentment is non-existent among so-called "people of color".
Among opposing racists, the feeling is mutual.

 

[Rhea]

I don't believe that racial resentment is non-existent among so-called "people of color".
Among opposing racists, the feeling is mutual.

It sounds like you think the power imbalance in a relationship has absolutely no impact whasoever on the two viwpoints. That the fear of losing power is the same feeling as the fear of not gaining power.

I feel like there are about 8 zillion studies that prove your thesis wrong.

 

[Politesse]

Doesn't 'racial resentment' cut both ways?
% of so-called 'black' people who hold racial resentment views is surely the same as the % of so-called 'white' people with racial resentment.

Dude, you're literally looking at the data. Do you really need someone to hold your hand and explain what that graph means in little-baby words? Or do you understand the data, and are simply refusing to believe it?

 

[Tigers!]

Looking at the table further up I notice that there is a Black Protestant row and a White Evangelical row.
Is there considered to be a difference? What not some sort of consistency in the labelling?

 

[Bomb#20]

"One of the most important new measurements in political science is racial resentment. It's adjacent to racism, but tries to understand some of the thinking behind racist views.
This is a scale from zero (no resentment) to four.

1. Irish, Italians, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors.

2. Generations of slavery and discrimination haver created conditions that make it difficult for blacks to work their way out of the lower class.

3. Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve.

4. It's really a matter of some people not trying hard enough, if blacks would only try harder they could be just well off as whites.

Black people had the least amount of racial resentment, though the difference was small among strong Republicans and small Democrats.

So this is what passes for the science part of "political science", in the mind of an assistant professor of political science. Burge is, quite evidently, an imbecile.

In the first place, none of those questions are measurements of resentment. They're measurements of opinions about factual and moral questions; Burge has simply decided in advance to assume certain opinions on those questions show resentfulness while contrary opinions show unresentfulness. His classification of which are which was most likely determined by checking if other people's opinions on those questions agree with his own.

But let's set all that aside. Let's suppose for the sake of argument that the questions really do measure racial resentment. Well then, what sort of racial resentment?

Well, those questions are all specifically about black people. So if they really are measurements of racial resentment, they're measurements of how much the respondent racially resents black people. Burge has uncovered evidence that black people do not typically resent black people. What a stunning surprise! Did he get a grant for that? And he claimed this is evidence that they have the least amount of racial resentment.

If he had instead conducted a survey on opinions about white people, and according to his measurements black, Asian and Hispanic people were all more likely to resent white people than white people were, does anyone here think Prof. Burge would have announced that white people have the least amount of racial resentment?

 

[Lion IRC]

Doesn't 'racial resentment' cut both ways?
% of so-called 'black' people who hold racial resentment views is surely the same as the % of so-called 'white' people with racial resentment.

Dude, you're literally looking at the data. Do you really need someone to hold your hand and explain what that graph means in little-baby words? Or do you understand the data, and are simply refusing to believe it?

Dude - do the maths.
Add Mainline 26.3 and Unclassified 25.4 and that exceeds White Evangelical.
Add Non-White Catholic 15.4 and Non-White Evangelical 13.5 and Nothing in Particular 19.0 and and Atheist 9.1 you get a heavy payload of high degree racial resentment.

Educate yourself and check out the racial resentment expressed in response to THESE questions...
"White people in the U.S. have certain advantages because of the color of their skin?" CC18_422a
"Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve?" CC18_422g

Do you want me to hold your hand and explain in little-baby words?

Ebonmuse has been a disingenuous, intellectually dishonest atheist for decades.

 

[remez]

Atheists Stand Against Racism | Adam Lee

To measure shifting attitudes, political scientists track an attitude called “racial resentment”. This is the atomistic, Objectivist-style belief that privilege and systemic prejudice don’t exist and that individual effort is all that matters (so if women and minorities don’t achieve as much as white men, it’s their fault for not wanting to succeed). It’s the white sheet that’s often thrown over more explicitly bigoted opinions.

One survey that measures racial resentment is the annual Cooperative Congressional Election Study, a 50,000+ person national poll. Among other questions, the 2018 CCES asked participants if they agreed with statements like, “If black people would only try harder, they would be just as well off as whites.”

noting
Cooperative Congressional Election Study

The question is flawed.

“If black people would only try harder, they would be just as well off as whites.”

Because either way you are assuming whites are better off than blacks.