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SCOTUS rules in favor of LGBT worker protections

Poor Alito, the expansion of human rights must sicken him terribly.
It is a little weird how some people insist that the definition of 'human,' for the purpose of human rights, goes all the way back conception, but once they arrive, they're not always AS human, depending on what they want to do with dicks. Theirs, others', hypothetical dicks. Adding, subtracting, avoiding entirely, or sticking it in places their invisible friend won't approve of....
 
The road to a more perfect union takes another small step, albeit a step that most of society had already taken years ago.

Equal protection under the law becomes more meaningful.
 
The only shocking thing about this, imo, is that LGBTQ persons even had to be still asking in the first place, in 2020.
Ireland hasn't exactly been leading the charge in this, either.

You can probably legit blame the catholics, but still....

Just as shocking, in the same way. Any country, but especially supposedly 'western' developed ones.

Ireland has made great strides though. Openly-gay prime minister currently, for example. 1st generation son of Indian immigrant parents for that matter. Country now in world top 10 for atheism. Anyone who was here 20 years ago and hasn't been back might not recognise the place.

But Northern Ireland, which is where I live, is not so progressive at all.
 
The only shocking thing about this, imo, is that LGBTQ persons even had to be still asking in the first place, in 2020.

We didn't ask for this.

Ok. I haven’t been following it, nor have I looked closely at the news. I just assumed that if it was some sort of victory that it had been lobbied for by those it benefits.
 
The only shocking thing about this, imo, is that LGBTQ persons even had to be still asking in the first place, in 2020.

We didn't ask for this.

Ok. I haven’t been following it, nor have I looked closely at the news. I just assumed that if it was some sort of victory that it had been lobbied for by those it benefits.

It was a legal case. Believe me, we LGBTBBQs would much rather not get fired for our sexuality in the first place.
 
Poor Alito, the expansion of human rights must sicken him terribly.
It is a little weird how some people insist that the definition of 'human,' for the purpose of human rights, goes all the way back conception, but once they arrive, they're not always AS human, depending on what they want to do with dicks. Theirs, others', hypothetical dicks. Adding, subtracting, avoiding entirely, or sticking it in places their invisible friend won't approve of....

Just so there aren't too many around, something like an Alito serves a useful purpose. It gives decent people like you and me an actual living example of what we're fighting against. We don't have to invent it like in a movie, it's right there to observe.

An Alito otoh has some lurid fascination with other people's sex organs, quite infantile and dangerous in a very real way.
 
Like I said:
Justice Alito dissent said:
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination on any of five specified grounds: “race,color, religion, sex, [and] national origin.” 42 U. S. C.§2000e–2(a)(1). Neither “sexual orientation” nor “genderidentity” appears on that list. For the past 45 years, billshave been introduced in Congress to add “sexual orientation” to the list,1 and in recent years, bills have included“gender identity” as well.2 But to date, none has passedboth Houses.

Last year, the House of Representatives passed a bill thatwould amend Title VII by defining sex discrimination to include both “sexual orientation” and “gender identity,” H. R.5, 116th Cong., 1st Sess. (2019), but the bill has stalled inthe Senate. An alternative bill, H. R. 5331, 116th Cong.,1st Sess. (2019), would add similar prohibitions but contains provisions to protect religious liberty.3 This bill remains before a House Subcommittee.

Because no such amendment of Title VII has been enacted in accordance with the requirements in the Constitution (passage in both Houses and presentment to the President, Art. I, §7, cl. 2), Title VII’s prohibition of discrimination because of “sex” still means what it has always meant. But the Court is not deterred by these constitutional niceties. Usurping the constitutional authority ofthe other branches, the Court has essentially taken H. R.5’s provision on employment discrimination and issued itunder the guise of statutory interpretation.4 A more brazenabuse of our authority to interpret statutes is hard to recall.
Poor Alito, the expansion of human rights must sicken him terribly.
Alito just seems to fail at basic logic.
No, he doesn't. To be a Supreme Court Justice, you have to be pretty damn smart... and the problem with being a lawyer and smart is that you become good at making bullshit arguments. The Justices can justify whatever opinion they want to. Honestly, the original term likely meant just women and men... but the intent was a reduction of discrimination based on who a person is born as. So, to me, and a majority of SCOTUS, that is a big enough opening to move on into the 21st Century.

This particular case was whether it was reasonable to enforce a law that was passed to protect discrimination of gender to protect against discrimination of an expanded meaning of gender, without specifically amending (or defining... I don't believe the term Sex is defined in the bill) the bill on the definition of "sex". Alito is making a theoretical argument that James Madison (member here, not the Founding Father) would agree with, that the word should mean the original intent and only apply to male and female.

Now, the part that is disingenuous is that Alito for a moment would support that the Constitution specifically protects LGBT from discrimination, so Alito is using a textual argument as a cover for his bigotry (Thomas too! I can't say for Kavanaugh. For some reason I think he might be able to swing LGBT).

And of course, if Congress intended to legalize discrimination against LGBT, they can go ahead and make a law saying that. Until then, *US civil rights* LEVEL UP +1.
 
If the Conservatives on the court can expand the word human to include corporations and expand the word speech to include money I don’t see why they should be upset by expanding the word sex to include sexual orientation.
 
If you have to discriminate someone's sex to determine what rights they do or do not possess under the law, it's sex discrimination. Pretty fucking obvious to me.

There is no law that says agreeing with one of the founding father's personal opinions is relevant to determining the constitutionality of an argument.
 
Ok. I haven’t been following it, nor have I looked closely at the news. I just assumed that if it was some sort of victory that it had been lobbied for by those it benefits.

It was a legal case. Believe me, we LGBTBBQs would much rather not get fired for our sexuality in the first place.
Ah. Gotcha.
 
Sorry. The truth is I was terrified when I heard this case was going to the Supreme Court. The ruling was a pleasant surprise, but a surprise. It is stacked with conservatives right now, and they could have twisted things in a different direction if they'd really tried.
 
...To be a Supreme Court Justice, you have to be pretty damn smart... and the problem with being a lawyer and smart is that you become good at making bullshit arguments. The Justices can justify whatever opinion they want to.

True.
And 6 bullshit arguments beats 3 bullshit arguments.
The #SOGI juggernaught rolls on.
 
No prob, poli.

I hope this is not going to sound ....well, look, I’m not gay myself, as it happens, so I don’t know and can’t speak about, but I have some very close family members who are, that I care about a lot, so I give quite a bit of a personal damn (not that I shouldn’t anyway). When I said it was shocking that it’s still even having to be sought, I was just really cross about that. Why should anyone have to feel relieved just because they get something they already should have had?

And the post above has me counting to 10.

......10.

No. Never mind. Not even worth it. Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one.
 
...To be a Supreme Court Justice, you have to be pretty damn smart... and the problem with being a lawyer and smart is that you become good at making bullshit arguments. The Justices can justify whatever opinion they want to.

True.
And 6 bullshit arguments beats 3 bullshit arguments.
The #SOGI juggernaught rolls on.

Expansion of Civil Rights makes Lion IRC cry.
 
Expansion of Civil Rights makes Lion IRC cry.

The big picture is that the cult is slowly dying on its feet. It’s only a matter of time. It must feel crap to wake up every day and be on the side that’s losing. It would make you cry.

Oh well. 2000+ years will look in hindsight like quite a good innings. By then of course what was Lion IRC will probably be dust.
 
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Like I said:
Justice Alito dissent said:
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination on any of five specified grounds: “race,color, religion, sex, [and] national origin.” 42 U. S. C.§2000e–2(a)(1). Neither “sexual orientation” nor “genderidentity” appears on that list. For the past 45 years, billshave been introduced in Congress to add “sexual orientation” to the list,1 and in recent years, bills have included“gender identity” as well.2 But to date, none has passedboth Houses.

Last year, the House of Representatives passed a bill thatwould amend Title VII by defining sex discrimination to include both “sexual orientation” and “gender identity,” H. R.5, 116th Cong., 1st Sess. (2019), but the bill has stalled inthe Senate. An alternative bill, H. R. 5331, 116th Cong.,1st Sess. (2019), would add similar prohibitions but contains provisions to protect religious liberty.3 This bill remains before a House Subcommittee.

Because no such amendment of Title VII has been enacted in accordance with the requirements in the Constitution (passage in both Houses and presentment to the President, Art. I, §7, cl. 2), Title VII’s prohibition of discrimination because of “sex” still means what it has always meant. But the Court is not deterred by these constitutional niceties. Usurping the constitutional authority ofthe other branches, the Court has essentially taken H. R.5’s provision on employment discrimination and issued itunder the guise of statutory interpretation.4 A more brazenabuse of our authority to interpret statutes is hard to recall.
Poor Alito, the expansion of human rights must sicken him terribly.
Alito just seems to fail at basic logic.

If you are discriminating against someone for wearing a dress or identifying as "She" or being In a relationship with a man, on account of their sex, you are discriminating on account of their sex. If people born with vaginas are allowed to do X, so are people born otherwise.

It's not my or anyone else's fault that this is what the law says, not discriminating on account of sex. It is right in there. But this is what it means when you take it to it's fill extent. And it's fill extent is more right.


I thought sex and gender (and gender expression) were separate concepts, with sex being the biological component and gender/gender expression being the mental state and physical expression of such. Are they actually not different?

Also, if they are not different, then why have some states passed such anti-discrimination laws specifically prohibititing discrimination based on sexual orientation amd gender identity?
 
Alito just seems to fail at basic logic.

If you are discriminating against someone for wearing a dress or identifying as "She" or being In a relationship with a man, on account of their sex, you are discriminating on account of their sex. If people born with vaginas are allowed to do X, so are people born otherwise.

It's not my or anyone else's fault that this is what the law says, not discriminating on account of sex. It is right in there. But this is what it means when you take it to it's fill extent. And it's fill extent is more right.


I thought sex and gender (and gender expression) were separate concepts, with sex being the biological component and gender/gender expression being the mental state and physical expression of such. Are they actually not different?
Completely beside the point.

If you hear that two workers want to suck a dick, and you fire the guy for being a guy that wants dick, but you don't fire the woman for being a woman wanting dick, you have discriminated based on what is in their underwear.
 
Alito just seems to fail at basic logic.

If you are discriminating against someone for wearing a dress or identifying as "She" or being In a relationship with a man, on account of their sex, you are discriminating on account of their sex. If people born with vaginas are allowed to do X, so are people born otherwise.

It's not my or anyone else's fault that this is what the law says, not discriminating on account of sex. It is right in there. But this is what it means when you take it to it's fill extent. And it's fill extent is more right.


I thought sex and gender (and gender expression) were separate concepts, with sex being the biological component and gender/gender expression being the mental state and physical expression of such. Are they actually not different?
Completely beside the point.

If you hear that two workers want to suck a dick, and you fire the guy for being a guy that wants dick, but you don't fire the woman for being a woman wanting dick, you have discriminated based on what is in their underwear.

Ah, good point.
 
Alito just seems to fail at basic logic.

If you are discriminating against someone for wearing a dress or identifying as "She" or being In a relationship with a man, on account of their sex, you are discriminating on account of their sex. If people born with vaginas are allowed to do X, so are people born otherwise.

It's not my or anyone else's fault that this is what the law says, not discriminating on account of sex. It is right in there. But this is what it means when you take it to it's fill extent. And it's fill extent is more right.


I thought sex and gender (and gender expression) were separate concepts, with sex being the biological component and gender/gender expression being the mental state and physical expression of such. Are they actually not different?
Completely beside the point.

If you hear that two workers want to suck a dick, and you fire the guy for being a guy that wants dick, but you don't fire the woman for being a woman wanting dick, you have discriminated based on what is in their underwear.

Dude, if you are going to cite Ginsburg’s opinion, you should use quotes.
 
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